well look at it this way: it was the first time BAL was introduced in PES09, so it was always going to be impossible for it to be perfect, so please don't go on about how you think BAL was poor and post possible ideas that can be used for BAL.
Become a legend/ what konami could fix/improve/add?
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well look at it this way: it was the first time BAL was introduced in PES09, so it was always going to be impossible for it to be perfect, so please don't go on about how you think BAL was poor and post possible ideas that can be used for BAL.
godzilliac
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I agree 100%. If you make no initiatives your team simply lacks any creativity at all. Oddly enough... if you do nothing at all sometimes they manage a goal by themselves. It's my experience that you usually receive a pass at the wrong time. I often found myself in a position that I had an open scoring opportunity but a dumbass team mate prefers to pass backward. When I do receive a pass it´s when I´m surrounded by players of the opposite side.
One way or the other. Either the AI of your team mates has to improve or else we should get more "tools" to control the rest of the team.
The only thing your salary can do is hire other players to play with you when you take your legend online.
Here are my suggestions:
1-Being able to fast forward the game while not playing at a much higher speed, even if it means I cannot watch it, I really do not mind. It is painful just waiting to be subbed in.
2-When playing online, you are rewarded points based on succesful team work, and you are shown how they are calculated. It would be useful if we are shown exactly how our rating is calculated in a similar way when playing BAL alone. It would be encouraging and also educating to know exactly how much a failed pass or succesful shot will affect your rating.
3-Simply show my rating as soon as the final whistle is blown!
chewynotcrunchy
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I'd start out like Fifa BAP. Having the ability to reallocate your points as you see fit out of a finite amount of say 10000.
Really frustrating creating a 5,9 winger with a speed of 73, acceleration of 70 when I could forego things like shooting accuracy to make him a bit quicker.
You should also be able to adjust your agility rating and weak foot accuracy.
Really frustrating creating a 5,9 winger with a speed of 73, acceleration of 70 when I could forego things like shooting accuracy to make him a bit quicker.
You should also be able to adjust your agility rating and weak foot accuracy.
I completely agree with this, I always go to check my ratings, I'm sure most people do, so why not show them right away.
Die Hard Pes Fan
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I sent a email to Konami to ask them to improve or input many things into the game, one of them was to be able to control cut scenes where after games you can select diffrent statements after a match, like the old wwe games.
Let me know what you think of the idea
akhardadat
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Note that this is about top player mode, nothing else. Haven't tried anything lower.
AI has to be fixed first. That's the main issue with BaL in my opinion... Teammates are made to be way too stupid. I don't mind them being toned down in terms of speed/power/etc. as increasing difficulty usually does, but making them stupid and unintelligent is not the way to go in my opinion. I suppose this is a problem with the game in general, but AI leaves the wings far too exposed and after certain situations such as throw-ins, the last defender (the fullback) leaves all the space behind him for the AI to expose. There needs to be more organization there.
Also, the computer ALWAYS reduces every situation to a 1v1. That system needs to be changed for the game to become more challenging and for BaL defenders to not look so stupid and concede silly goals. If someone is chasing an opponent, if another defender can help and cut in (diagonally or vertically), it rarely happens. This would be the equivalent of switching players or pressing the help defense button in a normal game - the computer rarely does this.
Attacking options are limited, as the computer rarely picks out decent passes and VERY often runs into the opposition player while dribbling. This happens far too often in your own half, leading to bad situations defensively and not leading to anything on the offensive end. Strikers do this as well, and wingers are probably the most guilty of doing this.
On the same note, wingers do not produce anywhere near enough. In order to actually get them to do something, you have to offer them a short pass route; otherwise, their crosses are often too short or they get tackled off the ball/run into the fullback. Wingers ruin the play far too often.
AI has to be fixed first. That's the main issue with BaL in my opinion... Teammates are made to be way too stupid. I don't mind them being toned down in terms of speed/power/etc. as increasing difficulty usually does, but making them stupid and unintelligent is not the way to go in my opinion. I suppose this is a problem with the game in general, but AI leaves the wings far too exposed and after certain situations such as throw-ins, the last defender (the fullback) leaves all the space behind him for the AI to expose. There needs to be more organization there.
Also, the computer ALWAYS reduces every situation to a 1v1. That system needs to be changed for the game to become more challenging and for BaL defenders to not look so stupid and concede silly goals. If someone is chasing an opponent, if another defender can help and cut in (diagonally or vertically), it rarely happens. This would be the equivalent of switching players or pressing the help defense button in a normal game - the computer rarely does this.
Attacking options are limited, as the computer rarely picks out decent passes and VERY often runs into the opposition player while dribbling. This happens far too often in your own half, leading to bad situations defensively and not leading to anything on the offensive end. Strikers do this as well, and wingers are probably the most guilty of doing this.
On the same note, wingers do not produce anywhere near enough. In order to actually get them to do something, you have to offer them a short pass route; otherwise, their crosses are often too short or they get tackled off the ball/run into the fullback. Wingers ruin the play far too often.
Itsfootballstupid
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It looks like Seabass didn't pay much attention to BAL In his interview with the French gaming site gamekult he said that he mostly focus on ML and barely look at BAL I wonder how much of a look the BAL mode got, That's my favorite mode in the game he better not screw it up.
Great post, man. Everything is spot on. 100% agree. This is real stuff, concerning gameplay, from a devoted player!
I hear you, Itsfootballstupid! Come on, Konami! Don't let us down! Show BAL some love, it's a really good gamemode, groundbreaking stuff right here. It just needs a few more tweaks and twists to be excellent.
Iniesta
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Make player development easier. If you score seven goals against Barcelona, your sub attribute points aren't going to go up by five are they? It's bullshit how me and my cousin played around twenty five games and in total we got around 4 full points up. May I also add we scored around two or three goals every match.
zanteive
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i choose wich parts of bal must change:
if gameplay, graphics , edit mode and bla bla change bal will change too so bal needs to change points to real money, to let us use the real leages not ligue 1,2 ,d1 and the others, uefa champions leage/europa leage not european championship and cup and something very importand to me to let us edit the curent team roster from bal mode.
if gameplay, graphics , edit mode and bla bla change bal will change too so bal needs to change points to real money, to let us use the real leages not ligue 1,2 ,d1 and the others, uefa champions leage/europa leage not european championship and cup and something very importand to me to let us edit the curent team roster from bal mode.
Definitely spot on! Its frustrating to see your own player level up so slowly.
davor-henry
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i see many things that could be improved there.....
1) Most important is the AI, the players controled by computer are very stupid and predictable...if that improves I believe beeing a part of the team in BAL would be very enjoyable
2) Training should definetly be much more then just playing games....i think we would enjoy some sprint chalenges or have some passing games (like those challenges in training mode from main menu), freekick challenge.....and using those we could improve our stats, not waiting for a match to get a freekick so you could improve in that, if you want to practise that you will get a chance
3) to play as a defender, r/l back, goalkeeper.....and be properly awarded for tackles, interceptions, clean sheet....not only goals and assists
4) many additions not related to match playing.....like spending money you earn, they could add animations of cars,houses...which comes with money and fame
or singning a sponsorship contract that tells you which boots you should wear....
5) adding some more animations instead of just showing pictures, like presentations when you sign for a new club, give interviews, sign autographs...not just the animations when you retire or get the ballon d'or
i know i'm asking allot i would be happy if only one of those things end up in the game, but i hope you agree with me
1) Most important is the AI, the players controled by computer are very stupid and predictable...if that improves I believe beeing a part of the team in BAL would be very enjoyable
2) Training should definetly be much more then just playing games....i think we would enjoy some sprint chalenges or have some passing games (like those challenges in training mode from main menu), freekick challenge.....and using those we could improve our stats, not waiting for a match to get a freekick so you could improve in that, if you want to practise that you will get a chance
3) to play as a defender, r/l back, goalkeeper.....and be properly awarded for tackles, interceptions, clean sheet....not only goals and assists
4) many additions not related to match playing.....like spending money you earn, they could add animations of cars,houses...which comes with money and fame
or singning a sponsorship contract that tells you which boots you should wear....
5) adding some more animations instead of just showing pictures, like presentations when you sign for a new club, give interviews, sign autographs...not just the animations when you retire or get the ballon d'or
i know i'm asking allot i would be happy if only one of those things end up in the game, but i hope you agree with me
zanteive
Registered User
i see many things that could be improved there.....
1) Most important is the AI, the players controled by computer are very stupid and predictable...if that improves I believe beeing a part of the team in BAL would be very enjoyable
2) Training should definetly be much more then just playing games....i think we would enjoy some sprint chalenges or have some passing games (like those challenges in training mode from main menu), freekick challenge.....and using those we could improve our stats, not waiting for a match to get a freekick so you could improve in that, if you want to practise that you will get a chance
3) to play as a defender, r/l back, goalkeeper.....and be properly awarded for tackles, interceptions, clean sheet....not only goals and assists
4) many additions not related to match playing.....like spending money you earn, they could add animations of cars,houses...which comes with money and fame
or singning a sponsorship contract that tells you which boots you should wear....
5) adding some more animations instead of just showing pictures, like presentations when you sign for a new club, give interviews, sign autographs...not just the animations when you retire or get the ballon d'or
i know i'm asking allot i would be happy if only one of those things end up in the game, but i hope you agree with me
why you need to spent the money you earn to houses and cars?? it's a football game not gta. but i agree with all the other u said.
davor-henry
Registered User
its an idea from Fifa manager, wouldnt be nothing vital to the game, just a little award like the better player you are the better car you drive that's all....but thats just my opinion
zanteive
Registered User
i think a football magazine with your player in the first page and the option to save it could be nice.. you know what i mean.. every month that magazine to make a cover with the best player!!!!!!!
davor-henry
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i think a football magazine with your player in the first page and the option to save it could be nice.. you know what i mean.. every month that magazine to make a cover with the best player!!!!!!!
i dont think anyone would complaine.....its the little things that make a big difference
zanteive
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i think konami should tell us something about BAL. last night i checked pes2010.com and i didn't saw anything about.. they should let us know if there going to do something on bal.. you ll tell me that if they change gameplay, ai, and bla bla ,BAL will change too , but i think bal fans wants to know more...
joeythomas7
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BAL- not cosmetics, content!
Been playing all the PES games for many years. Usually love ML but last year played BAL. Even tried FIFA 09 BP mode.
These are the changes I would most like to see in BAL. They are based around the premise of when i start a BAL season I have an image of the player I would like to become. This is often spoilt by the below limitations and results in the longevity of the game. Importance rated on a 'MUST SHOULD COULD' scale
MUST -Match rating - more than just scoring/assists. Often feel like I have had a solid game but will get 6 or less.
SHOULD -Stats - being able to compare your performance stats to all other players. What's your pass completion compared to Xavi? etc. Ala champ man - not to that scale but closer would be good.
MUST - Player development - more control over how your player's ability improves. This is fundamental to meeting the 'vision' of the player you want to create. Why can't my player improve balance without improving defence? etc.
MUST -Player influence - As your reputation increases with your club you should be able to specify preferred playing position. Fed up with signing for a team as a promised AMF and then being played DMF.
COULD - BAL training - training sessions for your player to take part in eg dribbling, finishing, speed, agility etc. This would directly affect your player abilities, however it would have to be possible to chose an area and then simulate. The training chosen could also be limited/enforced by manager based on performance or team needs. Eg team needs a freekick taker, your passing was bad in a match etc.
All in all a succesful outing in PES 09 but would prefer less focus on developing cosmetics and more focus on content and depth.
Been playing all the PES games for many years. Usually love ML but last year played BAL. Even tried FIFA 09 BP mode.
These are the changes I would most like to see in BAL. They are based around the premise of when i start a BAL season I have an image of the player I would like to become. This is often spoilt by the below limitations and results in the longevity of the game. Importance rated on a 'MUST SHOULD COULD' scale
MUST -Match rating - more than just scoring/assists. Often feel like I have had a solid game but will get 6 or less.
SHOULD -Stats - being able to compare your performance stats to all other players. What's your pass completion compared to Xavi? etc. Ala champ man - not to that scale but closer would be good.
MUST - Player development - more control over how your player's ability improves. This is fundamental to meeting the 'vision' of the player you want to create. Why can't my player improve balance without improving defence? etc.
MUST -Player influence - As your reputation increases with your club you should be able to specify preferred playing position. Fed up with signing for a team as a promised AMF and then being played DMF.
COULD - BAL training - training sessions for your player to take part in eg dribbling, finishing, speed, agility etc. This would directly affect your player abilities, however it would have to be possible to chose an area and then simulate. The training chosen could also be limited/enforced by manager based on performance or team needs. Eg team needs a freekick taker, your passing was bad in a match etc.
All in all a succesful outing in PES 09 but would prefer less focus on developing cosmetics and more focus on content and depth.