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Bought the game at midnight, returning it tomorrow!

a351386

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I have just put my beloved pro evo 5 on my 360 via the xsata and that is enough for me this is by far the best football game ever and will always be.

True pes 5 was and will always be the best. (Im still unbeaten on that one with that awesome ac milan team) anyway this pes 2011 isnt dat bad if only u cud dribble past playrs a little easier. ive only played against comp and havnt played against human yet coz all my m8s r wrking its easier to dribble past human.
 

Tommy88

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This just doesn't feel like pes, I just don't find it enjoyable. I usualy play pes through out the year, and im sick of this one aready. The shooting is shocking, its totaly random, you get through on goal with someone like lennon 96 speed, and xavi is 2 yards behind you and catches up

Stupid question probably, but i got it from ASDA yesterday, had plastic seal around it, which iv took off obviously, would i still be able to get a refund?
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
through on goal with someone like lennon 96 speed, and xavi is 2 yards behind you and catches up

This is true, I noticed this yesterday and forgot to complain about it, I think they tried to reel in the pace whores, but they have gone about it the wrong way. The CPU still doesnt respect players stats as much as it should on top player.

Have you tried the game on professional difficulty?

I play on top player at the moment, but the days of being to able play PES at the highest level and still have a fairly balanced game are over.

Back in the day I used to go whole seasons unbeaten on 6 stars, these days, perhaps on professional the AI is more balanced.
 

Amateur

Registered User
I struggle to think of one football sim that has responsive and decent dribbling, but this is clearly something that can be worked into PES using the right stick over the coming years. I think overall PES2011 is a huge improvement and very challenging. You have to accept though there are going to be limitations.

Of course there will always be limitations, starting with the fact that we have a total of 10 fingers.

But if Konami has moved on to the left analogue stick, Konami should make better use of the left analogue stick. Yes there will always be limitations... but the left analogue stick being restricted by the d-pad button is not a limitation that we should accept, because it simply is stupid and very COUNTERPRODUCTIVE......

The one thing I really like about PES5 and PES6, is that the mentioned games are full arcade... there is no confusion between arcade or simulation, it's full arcade... and that makes it fun to play.

With FIFA11 and PES11, certain aspects of the game are simulation, but other aspects of the game are very arcade; and at times, I simply cannot play PES11 nor FIFA11... because the indecision between arcade or simulation is annoying and restrictive, and at times, it just makes the game unplayable for me.

If you want to go simulation, then fine, go simulation.... but go full simulation; don't just give me simulation passing, and then give me arcade dribbling; that simply doesn't works, it makes the game feel boring and dull in the most important area.

And this is because the left analogue stick is being miss-used, the current d-pad concept actually highlights the things that the left analogue stick CANNOT do in terms of dribbling and man-marking, instead of highlighting the things that the left analogue stick COULD do in terms of dribbling and man-marking...

It highlights the better passing, which has nothing to do with dribbling nor man-marking, and which is the area that is closest to simulation; but it also highlights the sluggish and unresponsive dribbling and man-marking, which consequently, is the area which is closest to arcade.

The indecision between simulation and arcade... it just doesn't works for me.

It is fun when I'm in the mood of liking the game, but when I'm not in the mood of liking the game and I'm playing PES11... I'm just thinking about why the game doesn't feel right in certain areas, and I find the answers, and it pisses me off because it is neither arcade nor simulation.

At times I think I would prefer a re-make of PES5, a full arcade game... with HD graphics; no confusion between arcade or simulation, 8-axis passing, 8-axis dribbling and man-marking, just a solid 8-axis arcade game.

I mean, I would prefer a simulation, I have no doubts about that; but the reluctance that Konami and EA Sports are showing by restricting the usage of the left analogue stick to the same old d-pad concept that was used in PES5 and PES6, makes me think that a re-make of PES5 might actually be better than playing a half-simulation-half-arcade video game for the next 3 years.
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
Then you've clearly not read my other posts in this thread :) goodnight

If you dont like the game, you dont like it, Personally, I dont have a problem with that. Have you traded it in yet or taken it back?

My honest advice to you is to keep it for the time being, play the shit out of fifa, get bored of it (should be by next month) then play PES and nothing but PES.

These two games are very different and if you come off fifa straight into PES its you are gonna be faced with a ton of annoying shit in PES,

HOWEVER, depth is the key, try and stick with this one and see if you like it, Iv'e got to say that Iv'e noticed some very fucking annoying things in this game, but also some things that are very good, one of those is how you have to use different players in different ways, eg. you cant use Ronaldo to run at players in the same way you can with Messi because they are different players and they dribble very differently.

Iv'e played a few games of master league, and though I may find some annoying shit in it, the depth is crazy compared to my previous experiences with Fifa's career mode.

Make your own choice.
 

shaun7

Registered User
These two games are very different and if you come off fifa straight into PES its you are gonna be faced with a ton of annoying shit in PES,
Totally true.
Fifa just feels more complete and the animations are better so at first if you're used to fifa the last 2 years, you're gonna see PES as the inferior product because fifa is what they call "eye catching".
But it does lack the word DEPTH like tech said.
So even though both are football games, both try to simulate it differently.
Fifa has a thing that catches you right in the beginning, but pes definitely lasts more (but not pes 08, 09 and 10) because of the difference and feel of teams, the way each team plays and the tactics.
 

Domino

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Awful game. I just don't buy the improvements that a lot of you are talking about.
Dribbling still feels bad, animations seem bad, physics seem bad. The ref....don't get me started on him, maybe him being so awful is realistic though? Shooting is a joke. The actual players models look bad (other then a few world class players i.e Messi). The AI is up there with the worst i have seen. Both on my side and on the other teams. The game is void of any skill at all. It is more a pick up and play game then a real representation of football. It is like how Fifa was last gen. I could go on and on but i won't. Because saying anything bad about the game means your a fifa fanboy who knows nothing about football. That is how far the PES community has fallen. You say anything negative and out come the knives!
The game has a worst metascore on PS3 then last years. Sales are awful. There are reasons for that.
The game is rushed, Konami have become lazy and don't deserve praise with this or any of this gens versions. Until they stop being an annual game and actually work hard on the game then nothing will change. If they had another 6 months to work on or maybe even 12 months it would of been so much better.
 

waldys19

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Awful game. I just don't buy the improvements that a lot of you are talking about.
Dribbling still feels bad, animations seem bad, physics seem bad. The ref....don't get me started on him, maybe him being so awful is realistic though? Shooting is a joke. The actual players models look bad (other then a few world class players i.e Messi). The AI is up there with the worst i have seen. Both on my side and on the other teams. The game is void of any skill at all. It is more a pick up and play game then a real representation of football. It is like how Fifa was last gen. I could go on and on but i won't. Because saying anything bad about the game means your a fifa fanboy who knows nothing about football. That is how far the PES community has fallen. You say anything negative and out come the knives!
The game has a worst metascore on PS3 then last years. Sales are awful. There are reasons for that.
The game is rushed, Konami have become lazy and don't deserve praise with this or any of this gens versions. Until they stop being an annual game and actually work hard on the game then nothing will change. If they had another 6 months to work on or maybe even 12 months it would of been so much better.

Having read all of the posts on this thread it's an interesting mix of PES is 'back to it's best' or FIFA is 'still the winner.' I think it boils down to a couple of things:

1. PES 2011 is a major improvement over PES 2010, there's no doubting that. It has glimpses of the old PES versions that we all loved but still has some flaws as you'd expect when the last version was so awful.
2. True PES fans will never accept FIFA is better and now we have (to an extent) ammunition to prove that.

Let's not pretend the game is better than it is though, it's not amazing but it's certainly a step in the right direction.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Totally true.
Fifa just feels more complete and the animations are better so at first if you're used to fifa the last 2 years, you're gonna see PES as the inferior product because fifa is what they call "eye catching".
But it does lack the word DEPTH like tech said.
So even though both are football games, both try to simulate it differently.
Fifa has a thing that catches you right in the beginning, but pes definitely lasts more (but not pes 08, 09 and 10) because of the difference and feel of teams, the way each team plays and the tactics.

Actually, in my experience with PES10 and FIFA10, I found that PES10 had more DEPTH as well...

I barely ever played FIFA10, and whenever I played against my "hardcore" FIFA friends, I scored one-on-one goals at will... FIFA10 had no depth, after five games I already had a feel of how to play the game and how to conjure a one-on-one situation.

With PES10, that never happened; yes, some people did exploited the fact that Lio Messi could dribble past 5 defenders, at will, but if you know how to defend so that Messi does not dribble past you 10 times out of 10, and if you know how to use the L2 STRATEGIES... you can outplay the noobs.

With FIFA10, I just feel it was easier to play and easier to like when compared with PES10, it was easier to play, despite the superior animations and off-the-ball movement; because the gameplay concept is stupid, and it is clearly aimed at the masses.

Though in FIFA10s defense, I never really tried to like the game, I never played the game enough; I'm just judging on the couple of times I played with the "hardcore" FIFA players.

I think FIFA10 and PES10 were both very poor, FIFA10 for how stupid it is where it matters the most; and PES10 for all the robotic animations and the unresponsive feel of everything, and the overall stupidity where it matters the most, despite the depth.

At least, PES11 is prettier and less robotic than PES10, which is a massive positive for me; and I guess, for the many gamers who have played FIFA for the past 3 years.

I think it depends on your opinion, do you want a pick up and play game or do you want a game with more depth; the people who want a pick and play game will say that PES11 is shit, and the people who don't want to play a pick up and play game will think FIFA11 is shit.


Awful game. I just don't buy the improvements that a lot of you are talking about.
Dribbling still feels bad, animations seem bad, physics seem bad. The ref....don't get me started on him, maybe him being so awful is realistic though? Shooting is a joke. The actual players models look bad (other then a few world class players i.e Messi). The AI is up there with the worst i have seen. Both on my side and on the other teams. The game is void of any skill at all. It is more a pick up and play game then a real representation of football. It is like how Fifa was last gen. I could go on and on but i won't. Because saying anything bad about the game means your a fifa fanboy who knows nothing about football. That is how far the PES community has fallen. You say anything negative and out come the knives!

I cannot judge on specific things, but I fully agree with you, when you say that dribbling still feels bad...

This is where PES5 and PES6 easily beat FIFA11 and PES11: back then it was arcade 8-axis passing + arcade 8-axis dribbling and man-marking... and it felt right, it felt responsive and exciting, because Konami used the d-pad like a d-pad, Konami did not used the d-pad like an analogue stick, and that made the game a fun and addictive video game.

With FIFA11 and PES11: now is all about simulation 360-axis passing + arcade 360-axis dribbling and man-marking... and it simply does not feels right, you know, it doesn't feel right; the left analogue is used like the d-pad, the left analogue stick is restricted by the limitations of the d-pad, it is the same old concept of PES5 attached to a different button, and as a result, it simply feels wrong and unresponsive...

When I want to like it, yes I can like it, and I can like it a lot.... but when you are not in the mood of liking the game, this is when the stupid dribbling and man-marking system will start annoying you.

In PES11 and FIFA11 the players can RUN without the assistance of a SPRINT button, RUNNING without the assistance of a SPRINT button is a stupid system aimed at the masses who don't know nor understand the difference between RUNNING and DRIBBLING; dribbling and man-marking is the most important area of the game, and PES11 has not fixed this area.

So for all the positives, the biggest negative of them all remains untouched. And yet, nobody bothers mentioning the fact in any magazine nor in any website.

The PES of old, how many times do you read the phrase "the PES of old" when you go to a PES forum? PES fans have a hard time understanding that the PES of old was d-pad oriented and d-pad restricted, and the PES of today is left analogue stick oriented and yet d-pad restricted.

That's the bottom line, but magazines never have anything relevant to say, because they get paid; and websites never have anything constructive to say, it's always positives and negatives, I agree or I disagree...

Magazines and websites never have a good idea of how the game should improve, because they don't understand why certain flaws exist, and they don't want to understand, they just want to agree or disagree; which makes their constructive criticism redundant as well as subjective... and makes their whole article, a waste of time in my opinion.

When I read a 3 page magazine article or website article, I do not feel like I'm being INFORMED, I feel like I'm being feed with DISINFORMATION.

It's fairly simple, the fact that no magazine and no website has openly said: "a massive improvement, but at the end of the day, the dribbling and man-marking system is still outdated, it doesn't feels quite right; this is because the PES of old was d-pad oriented and d-pad restricted, whereas the PES of today is left analogue stick oriented and yet d-pad restricted... This is where the game needs to improve the most, the left analogue stick should only be restricted by its own limitations, not by the limitations of a different button."

The fact that no 3 page magazine article has openly talked about what I consider the bottom line, makes me feel like the 3 page article was not worth the read; because at the end of the article I do not feel like I was INFORMED with objective information, instead, I feel like I was spoon feed with DISINFORMATION.

A 3 page magazine article, will talk about 3 or 5 different by-products of the root of the problem, yet they always successfully avoid talking about the root of the problem; this is why, at the end of the 3 page article, I feel like I was informed with subjective and trivial information.

The conversation has turned into a never-ending PES vs FIFA argument, where the vast majority of participants never say anything constructive.
 

kopite77

Registered User
I bought PES 2011 on friday and have played over 50 games (mainly exhibition). I've never been frustrated by a PES title before and like the author of this thread I felt like returning it but I'll keep it only because the added potential that installing a good option file gives to the game.

In a nutshell PES 2011 is not a PES game. It's a completely different game. If you liked the previous versions then you won't like this one. I have posted my gripes as comments on one of the topics on the homepage. I'll copy and paste them here now.

NOTE - I have played PES since it's inception under the ISS banner. I am not a FIFA fan either.

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I’m sorry to say this but this is probably the worst PES game for a long time. PES 6 still remains one of the best around.

I bought PES 2011 because of my blind faith to Konami. I’ve been buying the PES/ISS titles since day one, and I can’t believe what was a revolutionary title in the past has now become such a dire and unrealistic game. It’s astonishing that the reviewer has given this title 8/10!

Before I leave my feedback on PES 2011, I just want to give some brief views on the previous title – PES 2010. PES 2010 was not such a bad game people made it out to be. Yes it had bugs, poor commentary etc problems which have always gone hand in hand with the lazy lot at Konami. But the gameplay was at a good standard. The major issue I had was the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero etc having the super human ability to take on all your players and scores – but this was something that was avoided with clever tactics or by altering the named three’s player stats to what they should really be. Playing PES 2010 especially against other players was fun resulting in wonderful football, great tackles and great goals.

PES 2011 has completely changed the whole landscape – new passing techniques, different ball physics, new shooting system. I’ve played over 20 games already and every match has felt like as if I was watching a game between Bolton and Blackburn (no offence intended to fans of either side). I have yet to check out the online features etc so my views are based on just normal, mainly exhibition, matches – and here are my gripes;

FLOATY SHOTS/BALL PHYSICS – I don’t buy it no matter how much people say that it’s a good thing and you should get used to it within time. It is just so so irritating to see shots – even a little tap of the shoot button – sending it ballooning over. In previous versions, your shot depended a lot on how much pressure you placed on the shot button and where you touched on the directional D-pad/stick – depending on those, you could do a blaster, low shot, bottom corner, top corner etc. In PES 2011 even a little tap of the shoot button sends the ball blazing upwards. Sometimes you just want to ‘leather’ a shot – and you can see from the replay you have made good contact yet the ball suddenly turns into balloon and floats away harmlessly!
The realism of previous versions has gone here. Shots don’t feel the same and there’s very few variety of shots you can take – similar to the FIFA games – and when it pings off the goalkeepr you just put your hands in your head. It’s unnatural for the ball to be bouncing around like that!

REFEREE – In PES 2011 the ref blows for anything and everything. You have to judge your tackles now which is all very good and I have learnt to time my tackles better – most of the time the safe option is to pressurise and take the ball away. However, my gripe with the ref is the loud sound of the whistle. It’s like as if you’re playing in Hackney Marshes rather than in a packed Bernabeau – that’s how loud it is!

JOG BUG – This shouldn’t be happening in a game in 2011! I try not to ‘cheat’ playing like this but I have always attacked from the wings so this is very, very dissapointing. It was in the demo so Seabass & Co should have fixed this problem or was it too little too late to fix?

CHEERING/CHANTS – Some of the chants in the game are ridiculous and poorly done. Play with or against Chelsea or West Ham and listen to the chants (there may be other teams) and sounds like 12 people in a room rather than several hundred thousands in a packed stadium. It seems to me that Seabass and co are using the chants from some of those poorly made chant option files made by PES fans in previous versions.

SPRINTING/PLAYER ANIMATIONS. You cannot recognise a player like you could in previous versions because they all appear to run in the same way. And no matter hard you try sometimes the world’s fastest attacker cannot escape from the slowest defender even if he had a 5 yard head start. I know PES 2010 was ridiculous in the sense that you could take on the whole team with Ronaldo/Messi/Aguero but Seabass & Co seem to have overcooked it on 2011 trying to fix this particular problem.

But hey, I’ll probably continue to play PES 2011, and even more when I’ve loaded a good option file. Imagine, if it wasn’t for the option file facility Seabass and his mates would have had to pack up long time ago.

And for the first time since the late 90’s I bought the FIFA game. It really is good but I still can’t get myself to play it because of the trademark FIFA player animation – players with larger than life heads! – and there’s just something wrong and the size and angle of the goal in proportion to the size of the pitch and the players. Very minor problems but big enough for me not to play the game. Sadly, PES seems to be becoming more like FIFA every year.

UPDATE...

Played more today…The super-human mid-air kicks are now really getting on my tits. Try it for yourself. Press a button while the ball is in mid-air and the player will pull off the most miraculous gravity defying bicycle/overhead kick you will see – doesn’t matter whether it’s 30/40 yards out the player will still attempt. Don’t think this game’s player movements have been mapped using real football players. Some of the clearances by players travels unbelievably very far on the pitch.

I’ve played some 50 games so far and it’s getting even more frustrating by the game. Just messed out around and tried a few things and it appears that I can take decent free-kicks from as far as 40 yards out. Player movement appears to be poor as well. Tried penalties as well and it seems to me (like the previous version)that apart from shooting down the middle you cannot place a kick in the corner/top corner etc. The shots go wildly wide or high and mighty.

I’ve still got PES 2008, 2009, 2010 on the PS3 and PES 3, 4,5 and 6 on the PS2. Played every each one of them for a couple of games today and it’s incredible how much the game has changed over the years – for the worse in most parts.

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Ravex

Registered User
FIFA this, PES that...

Just play whatever you want mate. I don't care, most people don't care. I bet your mum doesn't even care.

Video games are meant to be played for fun and if you ain't getting any fun out of PES, then you SHOULD play FIFA.
 

Amateur

Registered User
I bought PES 2011 on friday and have played over 50 games (mainly exhibition). I've never been frustrated by a PES title before and like the author of this thread I felt like returning it but I'll keep it only because the added potential that installing a good option file gives to the game.

In a nutshell PES 2011 is not a PES game. It's a completely different game. If you liked the previous versions then you won't like this one. I have posted my gripes as comments on one of the topics on the homepage. I'll copy and paste them here now.

NOTE - I have played PES since it's inception under the ISS banner. I am not a FIFA fan either.

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I’m sorry to say this but this is probably the worst PES game for a long time. PES 6 still remains one of the best around.

I bought PES 2011 because of my blind faith to Konami. I’ve been buying the PES/ISS titles since day one, and I can’t believe what was a revolutionary title in the past has now become such a dire and unrealistic game. It’s astonishing that the reviewer has given this title 8/10!

Before I leave my feedback on PES 2011, I just want to give some brief views on the previous title – PES 2010. PES 2010 was not such a bad game people made it out to be. Yes it had bugs, poor commentary etc problems which have always gone hand in hand with the lazy lot at Konami. But the gameplay was at a good standard. The major issue I had was the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero etc having the super human ability to take on all your players and scores – but this was something that was avoided with clever tactics or by altering the named three’s player stats to what they should really be. Playing PES 2010 especially against other players was fun resulting in wonderful football, great tackles and great goals.

Fully agree about PES10, spot on comments by the way,

However, I think you are looking at PES10 and PES6 and PES11, with D-PAD tinted glasses... and if you look at it like that, you will not see what the LEFT ANALOGUE STICK could do if it was properly used or employed.

The problem with PES11, is that Konami did the same thing that EA Sports did: they are using the left analogue stick like a 360-axis d-pad, but it is the very same concept that was used in games like PES5 and PES6 but attached to a different button.

In other words, the usage or potential of the LEFT ANALOGUE STICK is restricted by the limitations of the D-PAD button.

And the problem is, that if the left analogue stick revolves and functions around a concept which was designed to show what the d-pad CAN do and hide what the d-pad CANNOT do; if you do that, you will have response issues as well as physical issues due to the lack of proper physics/animations.

With PES5 and PES6, you did have physical issues because you can only implement a handful of animations into the d-pad button, due to the limited range of movement of the d-pad button; HOWEVER, PES5 and PES6 did not have response issues...

I think that if the left analogue stick was properly used, we would not have people saying that PES5 or that PES6 were better games.


REFEREE – In PES 2011 the ref blows for anything and everything. You have to judge your tackles now which is all very good and I have learnt to time my tackles better – most of the time the safe option is to pressurise and take the ball away. However, my gripe with the ref is the loud sound of the whistle. It’s like as if you’re playing in Hackney Marshes rather than in a packed Bernabeau – that’s how loud it is!

The referee will blow for anything, because of the lack of proper dribbling and man-marking physics/animations, you either loose the ball (like in FIFA10 and FIFA11) or you get a spot-kick (like in PES5 and PES11).

I prefer the endless spot-kicks to the FIFA system; however, I would prefer it if I could actually, manually dribble with the ball and manually man-mark the ball carrier, and let the user calculations or miscalculations decide the outcome.


SPRINTING/PLAYER ANIMATIONS. You cannot recognise a player like you could in previous versions because they all appear to run in the same way. And no matter hard you try sometimes the world’s fastest attacker cannot escape from the slowest defender even if he had a 5 yard head start. I know PES 2010 was ridiculous in the sense that you could take on the whole team with Ronaldo/Messi/Aguero but Seabass & Co seem to have overcooked it on 2011 trying to fix this particular problem.

Another by-product of the root of the problem... it will never work, it will be either overcooked or undercooked, because the LEFT ANALOGUE STICK is restricted by the very same D-PAD concept that was used with PES5 and PES6.

If your video game revolves around ONE type of animation, if you can only implement ONE type of animation into your game because you are miss-using the left analogue stick: than how can you expect to have realistic player individuality?

You either have your game overcooked or undercooked, it still is the same old shit dribbling and man-marking system; the only difference between now and then, is that the advances in other areas of the game has further exposed a flaw that has always been there, since day one: that's the truth.

Overcooked or undercooked, it still tastes like shit, because it is shit; the best chef in the world cannot change the fact.
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
I wonder if the CPU scripts in your favour as well as against you every now and again, Ive scored another last min winner, and we are talking absolute last kick of the game here. Classic shit, did a little fist pump to celebrate, gay i know.
 

kopite77

Registered User
Amateur, I see what you're saying.

I still use the d-pad to play the game. I just can't get used to playing with the left stick - old habits etc. In previous PES games you could still perform special moves by using the r1/r1/l1/l2 buttons. However, in PES 2011 if you want to pull off special moves then you have no choice but to use the sticks - sometimes a combination of both. I just can't do it unfortunately. My left thumb has a brain of it's own and won't move from the d-pad. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I would have much preferred PES 2011 sticking to the control settings of pes 2010 and previous versions.
 

walmo

Registered User
FIFA this, PES that...

Just play whatever you want mate. I don't care, most people don't care. I bet your mum doesn't even care.

Video games are meant to be played for fun and if you ain't getting any fun out of PES, then you SHOULD play FIFA.

If you don't care then why are you posting on this thread? People are rationally discussing things they dislike about the game with good explanations, a lot of them I agree with, and you post rubbish like that's basically just idiotic abuse?
 

peru82

Registered User
I don't know why people are wasting time on this bs. Remember when we have to play soccer in nes or super nes or even playstation? looks crappy now but we weren't complaining about how realistic it should be. This is just a video game, to have fun and waste some time. Game developers work with what they have, if they didn't add something or fixed something is because it cannot be done. They are also limited because they can only use so much memory. Both games are fun but it's you who decides which one to play, and trust me on this one, we need both games out there, because they keep competing with each other making them better every year. If u want to feel realism, then go outside and kick a ball.
 

James_dean

Registered User
I´m not going to write 500 words to explain my view of the game. I´m just simply having a blast!! :) Love this game.

And this is deffo a Pes game btw ;)
 
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