General PES 2010 News

[freestyleh7]

Abit early yes but i just saw some interesting information regarding pro evo 2010 on W.E.N.B


# PES 2010 team will have 200 extra people working on the game
# New graphics and animation engine
# The Spanish La Liga license is back, amongst other lost licenses in the past
# The community mode is in
# Master League revamp
# The UEFA Europa License is a target
# 10 vs 10 online is a target

your thoughts, and if you have any other pro evo 2010 information post it up in here saves making another thread.

 

[Phatmann]

10 vs 10 online is a target? Perhaps they should start smaller and work on 1 vs 1 a bit more and make it work well rather than aiming to expand to 10 vs 10.

 

[Foxhound]

For me, a new game engine is a must.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

You could add to that the hint that it will have 360 degree movement. It wasn't an "official" rumour, but something hinted at by a guy with good connections (Caniggia). Since everything is just rumours, and all rumours are pretty much equal, I'd put that one on the list.

BTW - I like the idea of posting latest news on PES 2010, from whatever site it comes from, in here. Even if the news is from elsewhere, it's good for us on PESGAMING to be able to discuss all the speculation freely. This should be sticky IMO so that we can keep it up to date, and reduce the amount of related posts into one main one.

 

[Hunter]

To be honest, I couldn't care. I mean, absolutely everything we've ever been told by Konami since it reached next-gen has been unfounded and often ridiculously exaggerated. I've been playing PES 2009 since release day, and only last week did I start playing FIFA 09 since a friend bought it. I just now need to decide which game I will choose come Autumn.

Even if they have 200 people working on PES 2010, I have no hope to be completely honest. They couldn't even get 1 vs. 1 to work online, so how they are to expand to 10 vs. 10 I'll have no idea. PES6 was perfect online, and didn't need any improving, instead, they just decided to make the next two PES games unplayable online. It's never expansion with Konami, just replacement. They'll remove aspects of each game in order to accommodate new features. I could probably make the statement right now that FIFA 09 will be better than PES 2010 based on Konami's lack of improvements from the last 3 PES installments.

 

[Dale C.]

You could add to that the hint that it will have 360 degree movement. It wasn't an "official" rumour, but something hinted at by a guy with good connections (Caniggia). Since everything is just rumours, and all rumours are pretty much equal, I'd put that one on the list.

BTW - I like the idea of posting latest news on PES 2010, from whatever site it comes from, in here. Even if the news is from elsewhere, it's good for us on PESGAMING to be able to discuss all the speculation freely. This should be sticky IMO so that we can keep it up to date, and reduce the amount of related posts into one main one.

This will never ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever be even considered as a sticky.

Reason being, once the n00bs get a hold of it, after maybe 2 pages, it'll turn into a PES vs FIFA debate.

 

[freestyleh7]

This will never ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever be even considered as a sticky.

Reason being, once the n00bs get a hold of it, after maybe 2 pages, it'll turn into a PES vs FIFA debate.

Fair point, but isnt this website called pesgaming yellow cards should now be dished out to anyone who mentions fifa 09's goodness or news in this thread.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

This will never ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever be even considered as a sticky.

Reason being, once the n00bs get a hold of it, after maybe 2 pages, it'll turn into a PES vs FIFA debate.

You're probably right there , but I'd like to see a latest news section on this site or something like it - somewhere to discuss the latest rumours as they pour in.

Don't really care though, just a suggestion.

As for whether these romours will really materialize... Well, geez, nobody knows that, it's just interesting to begin to hear what may be in store for the next version. I personally am not concerned about the future of the series, because I enjoyed PES 09 and can see that although the transition to Next Gen has obviously been difficult for Konami, that things are definitely headed in the right direction. Maybe a bit too slowly for some people, but headed in the right direction regardless.

Anyway, even in the romour mill these are only being sited as targets for being in 2010. The game isn't completed, obviously, so things like 10 vs 10 are just what they are, apparently, trying to achieve.

 

[Amateur]

You could add to that the hint that it will have 360 degree movement. It wasn't an "official" rumour, but something hinted at by a guy with good connections (Caniggia). Since everything is just rumours, and all rumours are pretty much equal, I'd put that one on the list.

BTW - I like the idea of posting latest news on PES 2010, from whatever site it comes from, in here. Even if the news is from elsewhere, it's good for us on PESGAMING to be able to discuss all the speculation freely. This should be sticky IMO so that we can keep it up to date, and reduce the amount of related posts into one main one.

Well the truth is that PES needs 360ª movement, and most of us are expecting 360ª movements in PES 2010.

Can you imagine how sales would go if PES 2010 played with the same 8-directional movements and passing??

Personally, I will not spend another 50 bucks on a game like PES09. I've had enough of 8-directional movements and arcade play. It is not Next Gen and it isn't close to playing like a Next Gen game.

The Graphics could also improve significantly, although IMO it shouldn't be a priority.

And just to speak my mind, I really don't give a damn about the "BAL" or the "10 vs 10". In my opinion those "new features" are just new ways for screwing us over.

Which is pretty much how This business works.. the game never really evolves, and they never show any intention in evolving.

You just buy one of their games, fall in love with it, you start expecting improvements in the next installment.. and then after 4 or 5 years of being a loyal customer -you- finally understand that the game will never evolve.

It's just new paint on the same car. But fact remains that you bought the product for 4 or 5 years.. and that just like you, somebody else, probably younger, will be a 1st time buyer.

Anyways..

I think the priorities should be in bringing back the Fluid Movements of the PES of old. If Konami cannot accomplish this with PES 2010 they will take a serious dip in sales, probably worst than this year's.

Hopefully the "new graphics and animations" will come hand-in-hand with New STATS. Plus a host of New Controls.

Other than that, The game needs New and more Accurate Foundations. Which is pretty much The Bottom Line.

Otherwise, the movements can improve, the graphics, we could even have all the licenses and modes in the world -BUT- if the Stats remain the same, the Gameplay will pretty much remain the same at its core.

And that's where PES should really start improving. They need to Upgrade their Foundations.

I'd like to think they will start doing that with PES 2010. Although I know it won't happen any time soon for whatever excuse or reason. It's a lost cause as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Tommy88]

1 ON 1 was tolerable but still awful compared to other games, 2 v 2 was unplayable....so 10 v 10 HA i dont think so.

 

[DublinGunner]

TBH I'd love some better atmospheric improvements.

1. Crowd. The crowd looks crap, needs serious improvement.
2. Crowd chants / songs. Would it be so difficult to even pick the top 10-20 teams and have real crowd chants going off during the game?
3. Commentary needs a complete overhaul. How about they say stuff that you'd actually expect from a commentator? i.e. [team] takes the lead, instead of 'they', [player] scores, instead of 'he' etc
4. Ball sounds are terrible, needs improving.
5. It snows at football games. We need snow.
6. Get rid of the stupid really weird round shadows that seem to overlay the normal shadows.
7. Shadows do not cast in shaded areas of the pitch Konami. Grrrr.....
8. In BAL, can we have the real league names? Or at least English/Dutch/Spanish etc instead of league C/D etc
9. Champions league is licensed. Why can this not be incorporated into BAL instead of Euro Championship?
10. Is it that difficult to call the international cup the world cup? (or is this another bloomin' license issue?)
11. For us Irish lads, I'd love to hear Eamonn Dunphy and Johnny Giles ha ha! Never gonna happen but that would be hilarious!

I'll post again when I can think of more!

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Well... Seems to me like we're definitely unable to keep this thread on the subject of new rumours and news. Point taken.

 

[DublinGunner]

Bugger, I posted my last post in the wrong thread!!

Damn you tabbed browsing.........

 

[Amateur]

TBH I'd love some better atmospheric improvements.

1. Crowd. The crowd looks crap, needs serious improvement.
2. Crowd chants / songs. Would it be so difficult to even pick the top 10-20 teams and have real crowd chants going off during the game?
3. Commentary needs a complete overhaul. How about they say stuff that you'd actually expect from a commentator? i.e. [team] takes the lead, instead of 'they', [player] scores, instead of 'he' etc
4. Ball sounds are terrible, needs improving.
5. It snows at football games. We need snow.
6. Get rid of the stupid really weird round shadows that seem to overlay the normal shadows.
7. Shadows do not cast in shaded areas of the pitch Konami. Grrrr.....
8. In BAL, can we have the real league names? Or at least English/Dutch/Spanish etc instead of league C/D etc
9. Champions league is licensed. Why can this not be incorporated into BAL instead of Euro Championship?
10. Is it that difficult to call the international cup the world cup? (or is this another bloomin' license issue?)
11. For us Irish lads, I'd love to hear Eamonn Dunphy and Johnny Giles ha ha! Never gonna happen but that would be hilarious!

I'll post again when I can think of more!

And with the exclusion of better "Commentaries"..

Do you think any of that will actually change The Gameplay??

A lot of light-weight details that would go unnoticed by most fans because it haves nothing to do with The Actual Gameplay. Wasted effort, in my opinion.

 

[martyl2]

More importantly a new gaming engine. PES of late has lost its fluidity and while I do admit PES 09 is fun as i still play it regularly, it certainly does not have the lasting appeal or addictiveness of older pro evo's e.g. pes 4,5,6....Gameplay changes definitely has to be the focus as they can implement new features all they want but the change in how the game plays will evidently determine whether pes fans love it or hate it.

 

[Amateur]

More importantly a new gaming engine. PES of late has lost its fluidity and while I do admit PES 09 is fun as i still play it regularly, it certainly does not have the lasting appeal or addictiveness of older pro evo's e.g. pes 4,5,6....Gameplay changes definitely has to be the focus as they can implement new features all they want but the change in how the game plays will evidently determine whether pes fans love it or hate it.

Couldn't agree more.. it's good to see more people admitting that.

Because really, it's just annoying that after so many years some people are still asking for the same damn improvement, as if they'd make a significant difference.

PES 2009 could have all the modes in the world, it could have all the licenses money can buy, it could have perfect Online Play -BUT- at its core, it would still be the same old rubbish.

"BAL" mode and "10 vs 10" are just light-weight details, unimportant in the long run.

The important thing is the quality of the Gameplay, which has gone down the drain. It just doesn't feels like Football, it lacks plenty of intensity and substance. It isn't addictive enough.

I feel that too much effort is being wasted on unimportant things such as the "Champions league" and the "BAL" mode. Konami needs to revolutionize their Gameplay from the ground up, they need to revolutionize their Foundations.

I'm repeating myself yet again.. and probably some forum members will be annoyed by that. But if the game remains unchanged, and the flaws remain the same, How can I not repeat myself ?

That said, I think that Next Gen Consoles are capable of a much better Football Sim than either PES09 or FIFA09. And I think we can have an Influence on how PES Evolves from now on. Which is great.

But we must be more realistic, demanding and objective with our demands. Fortunately, the sales have dropped significantly with PES09, and as a result Konami supposedly hired some extra 200 guys to work on PES 2010.

I suppose that Now we can expect Significant Improvements.. Maybe we'll find a host of New Stats and other Relevant Improvements in PES 2010.

Took long enough.

 

[simzy]

Couldn't agree more.. it's good to see more people admitting that.

Because really, it's just annoying that after so many years some people are still asking for the same damn improvement, as if they'd make a significant difference.

PES 2009 could have all the modes in the world, it could have all the licenses money can buy, it could have perfect Online Play -BUT- at its core, it would still be the same old rubbish.

"BAL" mode and "10 vs 10" are just light-weight details, unimportant in the long run.

The important thing is the quality of the Gameplay, which has gone down the drain. It just doesn't feels like Football, it lacks plenty of intensity and substance. It isn't addictive enough.

I feel that too much effort is being wasted on unimportant things such as the "Champions league" and the "BAL" mode. Konami needs to revolutionize their Gameplay from the ground up, they need to revolutionize their Foundations.

I'm repeating myself yet again.. and probably some forum members will be annoyed by that. But if the game remains unchanged, and the flaws remain the same, How can I not repeat myself ?

That said, I think that Next Gen Consoles are capable of a much better Football Sim than either PES09 or FIFA09. And I think we can have an Influence on how PES Evolves from now on. Which is great.

But we must be more realistic, demanding and objective with our demands. Fortunately, the sales have dropped significantly with PES09, and as a result Konami supposedly hired some extra 200 guys to work on PES 2010.

I suppose that Now we can expect Significant Improvements.. Maybe we'll find a host of New Stats and other Relevant Improvements in PES 2010.

Took long enough.

Im with you all the way on that one Amateur!!

 

[DublinGunner]

And with the exclusion of better "Commentaries"..

Do you think any of that will actually change The Gameplay??

A lot of light-weight details that would go unnoticed by most fans because it haves nothing to do with The Actual Gameplay. Wasted effort, in my opinion.

While I do agree with you, you'll notice the first line in my post did state I would be listing 'atmospheric' chenges, not gameplay, which I believe has already been well and truly covered

Although the news that they may be using a new game engine does bring a slight glimmer of hope, as they will start about coding player movements, physics etc from scratch, rather than being able to copy code form older versions, and tweaking it badly.

 

[freestyleh7]

Exactly, the older versions were classic masterpiece's for the PS2 i thought it was a brilliant idea trying to copy them onto the next-gen console but konami failed misserably i'm afraid, so yeah it is time to start from scratch, these past two years pro evo just hasnt lived up to it's expectations as far as i'm concerned this is konami's last chance.

can PES 2010 actually give us our pro evo back ?

can PES 2010 bring our fans back from fifa ?

can PES 2010 make pro evolution soccer the best football game again ?

Only time will tell, i'll keep you posted on the news.

 

[martyl2]

can PES 2010 actually give us our pro evo back ?

can PES 2010 bring our fans back from fifa ?

can PES 2010 make pro evolution soccer the best football game again ?

Only time will tell, i'll keep you posted on the news.

With the negative publicity surrounding pes and konami at the minute, there has to be a belief that konami can pull if off. We must remember that before the release of the current gen consoles i.e. Xbox 360 and PS3, Konami could not do much wrong in terms of pes 4,5,6...I could not remember a review giving them games below a 9/10. The only real success has been Pes 08 on the wii which has been attributed as innovative and a new fun way to play pes.

There has to be a level of belief that konami can make pes 2010 live up to and exceed the status given to older pes's. Think of Konami losing a 2-0 lead to fifa by becoming complacent in the last few pro evos. Fifa have two away goals so are on their course for victory. All it takes is a goal to win but evidently Konami have to dig deep after losing their lead to find this win.

Anyway with the current focus on "change" by Barack Obama lets hope pes 2010 will incur the same type of "change" in a football videogame sense to make it the best it can be.