Have you not heard the rumour yet? (Yes you have)

[Perfectstrik]

Ive read different, ive read it can be used in conjunction with Motion capture animations.

http://aigamedev.com/open/articles/naturalmotion-euphoria/

"In practice, euphoria is most frequently used as an improvement of ragdolls, taking control for a few seconds at a time before blending back to motion capture. The active controllers have the advantage that they can simulate basic instincts like protecting one’s head or breaking a fall. On top of that, the controllers can be used to drive the ragdolls simulation actively (instead of blending linearly) towards a desired animation posture so the motion capture animation can be blended back in."

konami are not going to scrap two years of work that they have done with pes08-09 to switch to a new engine.

pes08-09 are building blocks and a building process to a better more measured realistic game.

while flawed pes09 is still a very good technical piece of code that is just unfinished and lacking all the necessary refinements konami has been planning.

it will be clearer in the next ten days then you will understand theres only so much you can do in a year and it was always going to take at least 3 years for konami to see there vision through and implement everything they planned 3 years ago.

 

[Perfectstrik]

1) I never said how long id be off for.

2) Answer one more question before you do your 'Jilted lover/bunny boiler' act on someone else.

ISS PRO EVO all the way to PES 6, were the best football games of that time, I know this because unlike you, I was playing them when they came out, I even managed to get copies of some of these games, before release.

But, AT THE MOMENT

If fifa has got it so wrong, why is it that pes now seeks to Emulate fifa?

Look at all the possible major improvement in pes 2010, most of the are fifa innovations.

Tactics sliders- Originated in FIFA
360 movement-Originated in FIFA
Powerbar passing- In fifa before PES (as far as I know)
Motion capture- Fifa had that ages ago
Creating feedback forums for fans- Fifa had that ages ago


Now im not slaggin off pes for copying fifa, and im not saying fifa hasnt copied pes, im not even talking about who can do the ideas better.

but im talking about RIGHT NOW.

If fifa has it so wrong, why are PES emulating fifa ideas rather than ignoring them?

Thats what you dont get, if fifa was way off, PES would be looking to distance itself from all these ideas fifa are coming up with, not emulate them.

ON PS1 PS2, PES was the undisputed best, right now, its not anymore, things change, Fifa has caught up, Im not going to pretend otherwise out of some stuipd loyalty towards pes, its up to PES to come back and sort itself out.

Bye.

konami pioneered 360 movement and passing back in 1996 on the n64 with ISS and perfect striker.

They also created the tactics system and top stats back on the n64.

The tactics system in fifa09 doesnt work and konami have only finetuned and taken back something they created 14 years ago.

Power bars are crap and overly sensitive,konami will probably be going back to the more sophisticated system of pressure sensitive passing,shooting that is more refined and easier to put the correct weight on a shot or pass and also allows the user to change the elevation.

 

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

I dont want PES to have power bar passing as it would make it to like Fifa in gameplay when PES gameplay is clearly better.

This is the year PES gets their title back of Best Football Game around.

 

[Tech_Skill]

konami pioneered 360 movement and passing back in 1996 on the n64 with ISS and perfect striker.

They also created the tactics system and top stats back on the n64.

The tactics system in fifa09 doesnt work and konami have only finetuned and taken back something they created 14 years ago.

Power bars are crap and overly sensitive,konami will probably be going back to the more sophisticated system of pressure sensitive passing,shooting that is more refined and easier to put the correct weight on a shot or pass and also allows the user to change the elevation.

I had ISS64 mate and that didnt feel like true 360 movement to me, the player movements were quite rigid.

Thus why fifa claim to have the 1st true 360 movement system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch6t3SuLQMw

Thats perfect striker right, compare that to the 360 movement in fifa and tell me they are the same..........they are not. lol.

And im talking about CUSTOM TACTICS SLIDER, not tactics.

BUT THIS IS OFF THE POINT.

Fact is PES is RIGHT NOW IS EMULATING FIFA, SO HOW CAN FIFA BE SO FAR OFF?

 

[red]

Fact is PES is RIGHT NOW IS EMULATING FIFA, SO HOW CAN FIFA BE SO FAR OFF?

No....the fact is they are both trying to emulate football, get a grip son!

 

[Tech_Skill]

No....the fact is they are both trying to emulate football, get a grip son!

So by your logic, when fifa got powerbar shooting, they were not emulating pes right?

They were emulating football?

So FIFA never copied/emulated pes right?

hahaha.

Of course FIFA emulated PES, you know why?, cos a few years ago, PES was by far the better game.

Now, pes is the game that is emulating fifa ideas.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[red]

Oh sorry I should of said for those that are not quick on the uptake, that they are both video games emulating soccer! can you think of another way of doing it. of course you can't...have you dinner son and ctfd.

 

[jameslv]

So by your logic, when fifa got powerbar shooting, they were not emulating pes right?

They were emulating football?

So FIFA never copied/emulated pes right?

hahaha.

Of course FIFA emulated PES, you know why?, cos a few years ago, PES was by far the better game.

Now, pes is the game that is emulating fifa ideas.

Thanks for playing though.

Tech-Skill you really need to chill your beans, at the end of the day we are talking about a video game, it sounds like Fifa and Pro is your life. I love pro but could never get as worked up about as you. You should try expressing yourself with a little bit more politeness, that way you are more likely to get your point across and you wont have to repeat the same boring facts over and over.

 

[Tech_Skill]

konami are not going to scrap two years of work that they have done with pes08-09 to switch to a new engine.

pes08-09 are building blocks and a building process to a better more measured realistic game.

while flawed pes09 is still a very good technical piece of code that is just unfinished and lacking all the necessary refinements konami has been planning.

it will be clearer in the next ten days then you will understand theres only so much you can do in a year and it was always going to take at least 3 years for konami to see there vision through and implement everything they planned 3 years ago.

I Actually agree with this, in principle, in terms of 'only so much you can do in one year'.

But as for this 3 year plan coming to fruition... thats not actually whats being promised is it?

The 50% build was a disappointment according the the playtester on this website, with many things not being fixed, which kinda throws the 3 year plan legitmacy into doubt for the time being.

Now we are being promised there is has been a dramatic improvement of late in the last few weeks.

Thats what fan are pinning their hopes on in here, the rumors that they have implemented something in the last few weeks which has made the game much better.

Personally, I dont think it takes 3 years to come up with tactics sliders and playing cards either.

 

[Perfectstrik]

I had ISS64 mate and that didnt feel like true 360 movement to me, the player movements were quite rigid.

Thus why fifa claim to have the 1st true 360 movement system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch6t3SuLQMw

Thats perfect striker right, compare that to the 360 movement in fifa and tell me they are the same..........they are not. lol.

And im talking about CUSTOM TACTICS SLIDER, not tactics.

BUT THIS IS OFF THE POINT.

Fact is PES is RIGHT NOW IS EMULATING FIFA, SO HOW CAN FIFA BE SO FAR OFF?

Iss64 was first generation 360 degree control that was refined to perfection in iss2000 n64 and perfect striker3 on the ps2 and was so fluid and responsive so i dont buy into your claims and since no game has offered this level of responsiveness or fluidity.These games also used full motion capturing and looked more realistic.

As for 360 degree movement its just a buzz word for 32-axis as this is the controller limit of today via analog and the only time a real pro moves 360 degrees is when he roulettes.

all fifa10 and pes2010 if they do have true 32-axis movement will do is give the user a greater degree of passing,shooting and crossing angles to the current 90 and 45 degrees of today which even fifa09 has it just gives the illusion of more freedom in the passing by making the recieving player move towards the ball.

As for manual passing fifa09s system is to wild and unpredictable which it shouldnt be as manual passing should be intuitive and a joy to use not a labour of love.

 

[Perfectstrik]

I Actually agree with this, in principle, in terms of 'only so much you can do in one year'.

But as for this 3 year plan coming to fruition... thats not actually whats being promised is it?

The 50% build was a disappointment according the the playtester on this website, with many things not being fixed, which kinda throws the 3 year plan legitmacy into doubt for the time being.

Now we are being promised there is has been a dramatic improvement of late in the last few weeks.

Thats what fan are pinning their hopes on in here, the rumors that they have implemented something in the last few weeks which has made the game much better.

Personally, I dont think it takes 3 years to come up with tactics sliders and playing cards either.

of course the 50% build was poor it was just pes09 with pes2010 graphics and tactics system bolted on.

the key to energising pes2010 will be the newer animations and a greater axis of movement which will be demonstrated in the next build.

you obviously dont know a lot about game development as 50% is never a clear indicator of a finished product.

The tactics system in pes2010 is a master stroke as it will finally allow the user to tailor the game to his own playing style.I personally prefer more width in my play and like to use the long pass a lot so the tactics system is great news for me and coupled with the card system will give pes a much deeper tactical edge.

fifa09s system doesnt doesnt work with no feeling of your adjustments making any difference.

why are you beating the fifa drum,while not a bad game its still eclisped by pes09 and has planet no gravity physics,ragdoll players,predictable ai patterns and doesnt have the unique anything can happen feel that pes09 has plus its not as deep and technical.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Iss64 was first generation 360 degree control that was refined to perfection in iss200 n64 and perfect striker3 on the ps2 and was so fluid and responsive so i dont buy into your claims and since no game has offered this level of responsiveness or fluidity.These games also used full motion capturing and looked more realistic.

More realistic than what???

Again, I had iss 2000 too, look at the way the player turn and move, its very fucking rigid, nothing like what is being offered in fifa 10 mate, now i appreciate those games for their time, they were good games, but please dont try to convince me that the movement in this......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch6t3SuLQMw


is in any way similar or superior to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-RSPAnnD3A

I mean ISS PRO EVOLUTION on psx fucking shits all over ISS64 and 2000 put together.

And as for your other comment, it makes no sense, 3 years in the making, shouldnt= a 50% build so poor one of the PES forum writers says he's praying they give it an overhaul. The 50% build for fifa wasnt 3 years in the making and was far superior.

 

[Persona]

More realistic than what???

Again, I had iss 2000 too, look at the way the player turn and move, its very fucking rigid, nothing like what is being offered in fifa 10 mate, now i appreciate those games for their time, they were good games, but please dont try to convince me that the movement in this......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch6t3SuLQMw


is in any way similar or superior to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-RSPAnnD3A

I mean ISS PRO EVOLUTION on psx fucking shits all over ISS64 and 2000 put together.

And as for your other comment, it makes no sense, 3 years in the making, shouldnt= a 50% build so poor one of the PES forum writers says he's praying they give it an overhaul. The 50% build for fifa wasnt 3 years in the making and was far superior.

Okay, stop with all this Fifa promotion, it's frankly disgusting.

Do it in the Fifa forums?

 

[Tech_Skill]

Okay, stop with all this Fifa promotion, it's frankly disgusting.

Do it in the Fifa forums?

You clown, we are actually talking about ISS/perfect striker and its merits for its time compared to today's games.

You dont like it, close your legs and walk away.

thanks.

The tactics system in pes2010 is a master stroke as it will finally allow the user to tailor the game to his own playing style.I personally prefer more width in my play and like to use the long pass a lot so the tactics system is great news for me and coupled with the card system will give pes a much deeper tactical edge.

Classic PES Fanboy mentality, duh, I know all about this type of tactics system, im using it in fifa 09 right now, ooohhh but because its in fifa, its makes no difference right???

Its only when pes adopts it, that is becomes a master stroke (even though you havent even tried it haha).

I take it the fact that fifa custom tactics actually has alot more options that the one Pes have adoped doesnt matter right??

Becuase its in fifa right, so it must be shit right?

It must be better in pes right, even though you've never even used it?

Yawn.

Does anyone on here use any logic.

 

[Persona]

You clown, we are actually talking about ISS/perfect striker and its merits for its time compared to today's games.

You dont like it, close your legs and walk away.

thanks.

Yes, using petty words will actually make you win an argument. :erm:

Repeating your self-promoting stance on how Fifa is 'far' superior to PES is not needed in a "PES" forum.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Yes, using petty words will actually make you win an argument. :erm:

Repeating your self-promoting stance on how Fifa is 'far' superior to PES is not needed in a "PES" forum.

In the above I said fifa's 50% build is far superior to pes 50% build.

And for the last time.

ONE OF THE WRITERS OF THIS VERY FORUM WROTE FIFA 09 WAS IN HIS OPINION AHEAD OF PES, SO ITS OBVIOUSLY NOT RIDICULOUS TO HAVE THIS OPINION.

You know how stupid some of you sound

"You cant say fifa is better right now, cos this is a pes forum"

dumb as hell.

You know on the fifa forum they talk about pes Master league being better than fifa's manager mode and no one starts crying about it like girls, cos its opinion.

Take note.

If fifa is so shit and not techical like these people are saying, why is pes emulating fifa ideas?

They must obivously think there is something good there or they wouldnt bother.

 

[Persona]

In the above I said fifa's 50% build is far superior to pes 50% build.

And for the last time.

ONE OF THE WRITERS OF THIS VERY FORUM WROTE FIFA 09 WAS IN HIS OPINION AHEAD OF PES, SO ITS OBVIOUSLY NOT RIDICULOUS TO HAVE THIS OPINION.

You know how stupid some of you sound

"You cant say fifa is better right now, cos this is a pes forum"

Fucking dumb as hell.

You know on the fifa forum they talk about pes Master league being better than fifa's manager mode and no one starts crying about it like girls, cos its opinion.

Take note.

Uhm?

PES Members here in a PES 2010 Discussions are willing to discuss PES 2010 itself. Not wanting a person to KEEP comparing it to Fifa and glamorise on it because really, we don't give a shit about Fifa. And btw, I never said Fifa isn't better than PES right now, i'm just willing to discuss everything about PES 2010 and how to make it a better game.

No lectures about Fifa's superiority please.

Oh, and if you don't like us to be "stupid" or "fucking dumb as hell",

You don't have to be here.

Thanks.

 

[shankly is god]

this is just like old times can we just wait till both games are out and keep this to our opinions

 

[Tech_Skill]

this is just like old times can we just wait till both games are out and keep this to our opinions

Lol, you know what, its good entertainment, i dont mind anyone disagreeing with me, as long as they know i will be addressing them if they address me. simple as.

I tell you what.

I'll pop off for a while and lets see if anyone comes up with a sensible argument.

My point today is the following.

Just like fifa emulated pes when pes was the best game by far.

Now pes2010 is emulating ideas which started in fifa.

I believe this proves that whilst fifa has flaws, it must be doing something right.

And i'd still like to know what people think is going to be the big suprise next week.

discuss.

 

[Persona]

Lol, you know what, its good entertainment, i dont mind anyone disagreeing with me, as long as they know i will be addressing them if they address me. simple as.

I tell you what.

I'll pop off for a while and lets see if anyone comes up with a sensible argument.

My point today is the following.

Just like fifa emulated pes when pes was the best game by far.

Now pes2010 is emulating ideas which started in fifa.

I believe this proves that whilst fifa has flaws, it must be doing something right.

And i'd still like to know what people think is going to be the big suprise next week.

discuss.

Goodbye.

Don't pop up after a day ok?