I bought Fifa!
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I'm just looking for ways to prepare for you pategato.
I thought L1 was close ball control. So this is comparable to PES R3 off the ball contrl? - if so, when you click L1 in FIFA do you then stick to the player you want to control? I can't find anything online.
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edit: just found the instruction. We have to be facing the teammate we are telling to run with the L1 button as you suggested.
and just saw your edits; Tactical defending, and alternate controls mapped as close to PES as possible. I didn't see the L1 teammate control as a map choice unless I just don't know what it is called by EA.
I am going to abuse L1. I wanted my forward counterpart to move forward last night but he never would - now I know how.
I thought L1 was close ball control. So this is comparable to PES R3 off the ball contrl? - if so, when you click L1 in FIFA do you then stick to the player you want to control? I can't find anything online.
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edit: just found the instruction. We have to be facing the teammate we are telling to run with the L1 button as you suggested.
and just saw your edits; Tactical defending, and alternate controls mapped as close to PES as possible. I didn't see the L1 teammate control as a map choice unless I just don't know what it is called by EA.
I am going to abuse L1. I wanted my forward counterpart to move forward last night but he never would - now I know how.
Gato
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When you hit L1 the CPU sends a player in a forward run, usually the one in the best position at that moment. You assume control of said player when you pass him the ball. Or instead let him run to drag the opposite defense and do something else.
Don't worry, I know you're learning and I won't abuse you
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This is the configuration I use for tactical defense, credit to my good friend Jonno394:
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shaun7
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Shooting. I get why some might say that Fifa's shooting is better because it is more free and you have to input the proper direction. But here's what some people fail to realize. BTW, PES 12 shooting is not up to standards because it's unacceptable to shoot in 1 direction and the shot goes to the other sometimes.
In Fifa 12 manual, you loose all the player's individuality and every player will shoot the same way. Yeah, I get that feeling of satisfaction in manual, but I have to say that manual is completely overrated. Let me explain why.
First of all, yes the loss of the player's individuality is a great reason why as the shot power will be the only attribute that matters and second. Manual is not as hard as some people think and is not AS skillful as some people claim it to be.
Just because you see your shot go completely wide, it doesn't mean that you have to train yourself at it to improve. It CAN also mean that the game's design is just broken from start to finish. I have a reason for this.
The shooting in fifa 12 manual is way too sensitive to the point where you only have to move the stick ever so slightly and moving the stick lightly isn't something that requires skill. It only give the illusion that it requires skill, but in fact it doesn't really require lots of skill simply because it's way too sensitive.
So even though I can see where people who claim manual is the way to go come from, it is still not the way to go in football games.
I believe that a semi-auto function is the way to go that combines the footballer's skill with your input. That way, you have to aim your shots better, actually you still have to be very precise, but it won't be fifa sensitive and the footballer's skill will also take a part of it where the game calculates his attributes in a way that you have a better chance of scoring DEPENDING on the situations.
For example, you have a better chance to score from long range if the player has a long range attribute, same with 1vs1, but at the same time, you still have to be precise with you shots.
Oh and neither pes nor fifa has a system like that, so both suck at shooting. Fifa's semi-auto is not good either.
Maybe I would be asking too much, but it's the way to go at this point.
@techboy, I am glad that we agree.
In Fifa 12 manual, you loose all the player's individuality and every player will shoot the same way. Yeah, I get that feeling of satisfaction in manual, but I have to say that manual is completely overrated. Let me explain why.
First of all, yes the loss of the player's individuality is a great reason why as the shot power will be the only attribute that matters and second. Manual is not as hard as some people think and is not AS skillful as some people claim it to be.
Just because you see your shot go completely wide, it doesn't mean that you have to train yourself at it to improve. It CAN also mean that the game's design is just broken from start to finish. I have a reason for this.
The shooting in fifa 12 manual is way too sensitive to the point where you only have to move the stick ever so slightly and moving the stick lightly isn't something that requires skill. It only give the illusion that it requires skill, but in fact it doesn't really require lots of skill simply because it's way too sensitive.
So even though I can see where people who claim manual is the way to go come from, it is still not the way to go in football games.
I believe that a semi-auto function is the way to go that combines the footballer's skill with your input. That way, you have to aim your shots better, actually you still have to be very precise, but it won't be fifa sensitive and the footballer's skill will also take a part of it where the game calculates his attributes in a way that you have a better chance of scoring DEPENDING on the situations.
For example, you have a better chance to score from long range if the player has a long range attribute, same with 1vs1, but at the same time, you still have to be precise with you shots.
Oh and neither pes nor fifa has a system like that, so both suck at shooting. Fifa's semi-auto is not good either.
Maybe I would be asking too much, but it's the way to go at this point.
@techboy, I am glad that we agree.
FIFA shooting on semi is bang on. N u can't say sometimes it goes the wrong way. It's like 80% of the time. N if there's a man on your back it's 0%. I've played both games a lot n watch football n play football most days n in my opinion shooting in Pes is massively unrealistic.
shaun7
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Semi-Auto in Fifa is definitely better than Manual, I agree. BUT, it still doesn't do the job nor justify my post.
Fifa's semi-auto still does not have player individuality (but then again, the whole game doesn't have enough individuality) and the shots are still too sensitive.
If however, someone either from EA or Konami decides to go the route i am talking about, they need to make the shots not nearly as sensitive as fifa's semi or manual. That way, you'll have a much and I mean much more control over the shot direction (since you can move the stick in more angles or rotations, so the more you can do that, the more directions a shot can go) but then, the game calculates the player's individuality in the shot, meaning that: ex:
A player with long range capabilities is able to score goals easier than with a player who doesn't have long range capabilities. What I mean is that it would be easier for you to aim and shoot from a distance with him than with a player without the long range star (or whatever). You will have a WIDER movement with the stick that still results in a goal or a better shot .
The same applies to those strikers who are great in 1vs1 like Matri (with Juve). With these players, you will have a wider spread of shot direction that you can do with the stick that would still result in a goal. But when using other strikers that aren't that good 1vs1, you can still do the same shots, but it would be harder to aim it. I am NOT talking about AIM ASSISTS, NO. I am talking about a wider movement with the stick that you can do while aiming that will depend on the player's individuality.
This way you'll have both player individuality and the gamer's (you) precision without having the game deciding for you (pes) or without the game removing player individuality fifa).
thekidcastro
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Techboy & Shaun 7... the two biggest Fifa haters of all time.
You guys have hit an all time low, especially you Shaun... saying Fifa shooting is bad and so is PES's. Why do you even go there? seriously. You cant handle Fifa being better at anything can you. You my friend are a Konami fan boy... you will do anything at any cost to make something better about Fifa seem worst or the same as stupid broken pes 12. Funny enough I spent some time playing pes 12, I made a deal with my brother, we would practice pes 12 for a week. We couldnt play it past the morning of 3rd day, what a waste of time. I refrain my previous comments, PES 11 is definitely 100x times better than PES 12. Stop backing this stupid game, I gaurantee you PES is finished and I will be back here to remind you. Fifa definitely has a soul of its own, its called FUN (3 letter word). Shooting passing, and dribbling is awesome. PES 12 cant even compare in those 3 things alone. Each to there own but your comments have aggrivated me because you seem to make up these quotes like "these animations wont blind me"... dont be such a co*** c***.
You and that other fan boy should PM each other love stories because your probably one of a few pes players left. I showed both of you last time, now you prove it boys, Which one of you has even played FIFA 12? seriously. It seems your both talking out your back sides.
Stop preaching your rubbish. You only make yourself look stupid.
Signing out!
Pissed of previous PES player
You guys have hit an all time low, especially you Shaun... saying Fifa shooting is bad and so is PES's. Why do you even go there? seriously. You cant handle Fifa being better at anything can you. You my friend are a Konami fan boy... you will do anything at any cost to make something better about Fifa seem worst or the same as stupid broken pes 12. Funny enough I spent some time playing pes 12, I made a deal with my brother, we would practice pes 12 for a week. We couldnt play it past the morning of 3rd day, what a waste of time. I refrain my previous comments, PES 11 is definitely 100x times better than PES 12. Stop backing this stupid game, I gaurantee you PES is finished and I will be back here to remind you. Fifa definitely has a soul of its own, its called FUN (3 letter word). Shooting passing, and dribbling is awesome. PES 12 cant even compare in those 3 things alone. Each to there own but your comments have aggrivated me because you seem to make up these quotes like "these animations wont blind me"... dont be such a co*** c***.
You and that other fan boy should PM each other love stories because your probably one of a few pes players left. I showed both of you last time, now you prove it boys, Which one of you has even played FIFA 12? seriously. It seems your both talking out your back sides.
Stop preaching your rubbish. You only make yourself look stupid.
Signing out!
Pissed of previous PES player
shaun7
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@thekidcastro, You are a kid and my post was obviously too much for you to handle.
I have played fifa 12 otherwise, how do you expain my posts about it? They are in so much detail (that you do not notice, obviously) about fifa 12?
I stated countless times where fifa crushes pes and that's:
Colour palette
Stadiums
Presentation
Animations which are a huge part I might add
But that's about it. Shooting is bad in both pes and fifa. If you actually took the time to try to understand my post, it combines the best of both world's.
And you know what's funny? You claiming to be an ex pes fan who turned to fifa and now, you cant stand pes and YOU ALSO CAN'T STAND IT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT YOUR BELOVED GAME. You act like ever fifa lover in this forum. I stated countless times that both pes and fifa are annoying this year, and that does not make me the fan boy now does it.
Now who looks stupid? You, who cannot even stand it when someone says bad things about fifa? Or me, the one who took the time to say something useful about the shooting and how it can improve?
I guess it's obvious. Go play fifa kid and enjoy it. arrivederci, goodbye. :laugh:
I have played fifa 12 otherwise, how do you expain my posts about it? They are in so much detail (that you do not notice, obviously) about fifa 12?
I stated countless times where fifa crushes pes and that's:
Colour palette
Stadiums
Presentation
Animations which are a huge part I might add
But that's about it. Shooting is bad in both pes and fifa. If you actually took the time to try to understand my post, it combines the best of both world's.
And you know what's funny? You claiming to be an ex pes fan who turned to fifa and now, you cant stand pes and YOU ALSO CAN'T STAND IT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT YOUR BELOVED GAME. You act like ever fifa lover in this forum. I stated countless times that both pes and fifa are annoying this year, and that does not make me the fan boy now does it.
Now who looks stupid? You, who cannot even stand it when someone says bad things about fifa? Or me, the one who took the time to say something useful about the shooting and how it can improve?
I guess it's obvious. Go play fifa kid and enjoy it. arrivederci, goodbye. :laugh:
@thekidcastro, You are a kid and my post was obviously too much for you to handle.
I stated countless times where fifa crushes pes and that's:
Colour palette
Stadiums
Presentation
Animations which are a huge part I might add
But that's about it. Shooting is bad in both pes and fifa. If you actually took the time to try to understand my post, it combines the best of both world's.
And you know what's funny? You claiming to be an ex pes fan who turned to fifa and now, you cant stand pes and YOU ALSO CAN'T STAND IT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT YOUR BELOVED GAME. You act like ever fifa lover in this forum. I stated countless times that both pes and fifa are annoying this year, and that does not make me the fan boy now does it.
Now who looks stupid? You, who cannot even stand it when someone says bad things about fifa? Or me, the one who took the time to say something useful about the shooting and how it can improve?
I guess it's obvious. Go play fifa kid and enjoy it. arrivederci, goodbye. :laugh:
Shaun, I've learned that there's little point in argument continuation with people who just cannot analyse what is good and bad in everything. It's just too much hassle these days.
What a lot of PES-ites and FIFA fan boys cannot grasp, is that to the vast majority of football fans and computer gamers, what we're after is a representation of football, in a simulated form. I'm too old and my time too precious these days to be an ostrich and be a 'something' die hard. I just want the best football game, whether it comes from KONAMI or EA Sports. The fact that I have an almost un-rivalled hatred of EA Sports as a company is neither here nor there; if they bring out the superior football game, then I'll put my hatred aside (and after all what do they care about me and one unit sold or not), and play FIFA to death.
I'll say it again; this is NOT an issue about fanboys!
But when I play two titles side by side and compare and contrast, I cannot help but draw up a list of good points and bad, and for me this year, FIFA isn't all that.
Like you say Shaun, FIFA has the shiny presentation, aesthetics in some areas, a more interesting system of injuries/fatigue and animations. But the bad points are almost eye shatteringly glaring!
PES feels and sometimes looks like a beta game, but it is what it is, and still has that potion of magic in there somewhere which at least I can gleam some excitement from. There's just a pulse in there, and it isn't a stagnant grid like game.
God, peeps we're in 2012 now, why are both communities (PES/FIFA) so f'kin precious about their equally broken games?!?
I can only sigh and hope that 2013 will be a step up in both series....like I'm seemingly doing every year since the glory days of PES5/6.
shaun7
Registered User
@techboy, I know it's useless especially when the fanboys attack you with insults and tell you that you're the fanboy. :laugh: But sometimes you just need to point it out again I suppose.
So I'll say it again:
Like you, I will play whatever football game is good and it doesn't matter who makes the title as long as it's great. You said it right, pes is a beta game where konami failed to execute some stuff correctly but at least it has a basic idea of how football is played and fifa is all shiny from the outside and rusty at it's core.
The thing with the current football games we have is that I cannot seem to play them over games like Dark Souls or Skyrim. Yeah, I know they're extremely different, but their quality alone blows pes and fifa to dust. Not to mention that they're not nearly as frustrating (frustrating not in terms of loosing to the CPU but in terms of being angry at the game's cheap tactics). But it is what it is, I made my point I guess.
So I'll say it again:
Like you, I will play whatever football game is good and it doesn't matter who makes the title as long as it's great. You said it right, pes is a beta game where konami failed to execute some stuff correctly but at least it has a basic idea of how football is played and fifa is all shiny from the outside and rusty at it's core.
The thing with the current football games we have is that I cannot seem to play them over games like Dark Souls or Skyrim. Yeah, I know they're extremely different, but their quality alone blows pes and fifa to dust. Not to mention that they're not nearly as frustrating (frustrating not in terms of loosing to the CPU but in terms of being angry at the game's cheap tactics). But it is what it is, I made my point I guess.
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I am afraid you are 100% correct here Castro.....Shaun7 does not play Fifa anymore. I figured that he tried to play the game and got his arse kicked plenty ..so he decided to give the game a bad name.
Next you will find Techskill and Amatuer who do not play the game either but say they are..get this "Analyzing" the game. How they come up with this much sheiit I don't know. The fact is PES has been over run by Fifa in recent years and has now blown PES clear out of the water ....their sales and online stats proves that. NO Contest.
But to each his own...but to listen to then say all this bullshittt amuses me.
PES is shit compared to Fifa and they all know it ...but will do whatever it takes to say it isn't.
All my friends and I were ride or die PES fans ...now we all only play Fifa.
Better Graphics , Better Animations, Better Online, Better Offline, Better Gameplay, Better individuality, Better Shooting, Better keepers, Better Refs, Better Kits, Better Commentary, Better Goals, Realistic Shooting .....should I go on?
Do not argue with them ...just keep pounding it in their heads. ....
Fifa12 is the number 1 football game in the world todate...not PES.
Who the hell plays PES anyways? The handfull of fans here ....who by the way only plays on PC with Jenky patches ...give me a effing break. :realmad:
shaun7
Registered User
@OCKRASS :laugh::laugh::laugh: Again? Why man, why? Why act so low to piss people off?
Deep down you know it too. The very essence of my post that totally nailed Fifa down to a T. You know it too, you know how right I was and how right techboy was when we write about fifa.
BTW, do you take pleasure in this (seeing people get mad at you)? :laugh:
Deep down you know it too. The very essence of my post that totally nailed Fifa down to a T. You know it too, you know how right I was and how right techboy was when we write about fifa.
BTW, do you take pleasure in this (seeing people get mad at you)? :laugh:
He means me - err, techboy.
And OCKRASS, you miss the point completely! Who says I don't play FIFA that much? In fact this last month I've played FIFA and PES about the same, changed some slider things, changed tactics and positional arrows and runs to try and get the game to not be so 1v1. I'm currently top of the league, playing Legendary, on 20 minute matches, semi pro assists (manual just loses the stats side, if there are any), so don't come on here and preach what I'm doing or not doing, because you're wrong.
But being top of the league on legendary doesn't change the fact that FIFA has glaring errors. Now this is my opinion, you have yours OCKRASS, but you just can't see passed the fact that somebody can't think FIFA is the dog's bollocks.....
God, some people.
And OCKRASS, you miss the point completely! Who says I don't play FIFA that much? In fact this last month I've played FIFA and PES about the same, changed some slider things, changed tactics and positional arrows and runs to try and get the game to not be so 1v1. I'm currently top of the league, playing Legendary, on 20 minute matches, semi pro assists (manual just loses the stats side, if there are any), so don't come on here and preach what I'm doing or not doing, because you're wrong.
But being top of the league on legendary doesn't change the fact that FIFA has glaring errors. Now this is my opinion, you have yours OCKRASS, but you just can't see passed the fact that somebody can't think FIFA is the dog's bollocks.....
God, some people.
IronCity
Banned
I was really hoping this thread wasn't going to bring in techboy, shaun, and ockrass. You guys are fine amigos, but haven't you three debated FIFA vs PES to no end in that other thread? I have been reading you three go at it for over one year.
now real quick to Jeronimoe, Abu, Fick, Pategato, and Sminky (we had a nice civil discussion going)
Had my first real night with FIFA12 and finally got to third base, Items I really liked over PES:
1) No more clears going directly to the opposing team - no more CPU clears hitting the CF in stride (if you know me then you know I complain about this incessantly)
2) I think FIFA really allows you to use the corners more - players move into corner position better and very realistically and you have better play out of the corner. I felt a rush every time the ball went into my TV screen's bottom left and right corners.
3) I know it is early for me, but I can't knock the AI as much as others do (this could change after a few weeks). PES made a big deal out of diagonal runs for 2012, but FIFA has diagonal runs all over the place. Not only that, a player making a diagonal run will alter his path to get around a defender and then get back on that diagonal. They will even swim move over a defender. Sometimes they change directions entirely to choose a better angle of travel. PES is so much more linear.
4) Similarily, a player in the box will loop around defenders to find open space for passes often stepping in front of you (PES doesn't even come close to this). Now that is AI
4) No more PES type CPU defenders closing every break down with superhuman speed
5) Real contests in the race for free balls - no more 100% challenge wins by the CPU
6) I haven't nailed down defending yet, or passing, so I gave up the ball alot out of my backfield and then couldn't stop the counter - got slammed 8-0, 6-0 in two of the games....but I never saw the same goal twice which is counter to what I have heard as negative criticism directed at FIFA.
7) CPU errors in passing - no more 40 yard ground passes that become glued to the CF. More crosses that are not on a string from foot to head. It started to feel more realistic than PES in this category.
8) I feel like defending more away from the ball in FIFA rather than closing in on the ball every second.
9) An increase in deflection, second chance goals for me. In PES it seems only the CPU gets these opportunities (or at least a helluva lot more).
what I missed from PES
1) that IT factor. PES goals do result in me fist pumping, but my goals last night made me just smile for a second.
2) open midfields
3) editing
4) menus (FIFA gameplan menu is horrible)
5) home team opening kickoffs - this really bothers me in FIFA
6) Individuality - I hear what people are saying
7) gameplay factors that I won't bore you with writing
edit: almost forgot - FIFA through passes don't result in my AI player simply running along side the ball for 8 yards and not picking it up so a CPU defender walks in and steals it as in PES.....and, FIFA will allow my AI players to track back to the ball for a few steps to receive a pass if it is needed to stop a CPU defender getting there first. PES will just keep a player stationary and let them play with themselves as the CPU counters.
and no more telegraphing long throw-ins like PES
now real quick to Jeronimoe, Abu, Fick, Pategato, and Sminky (we had a nice civil discussion going)
Had my first real night with FIFA12 and finally got to third base, Items I really liked over PES:
1) No more clears going directly to the opposing team - no more CPU clears hitting the CF in stride (if you know me then you know I complain about this incessantly)
2) I think FIFA really allows you to use the corners more - players move into corner position better and very realistically and you have better play out of the corner. I felt a rush every time the ball went into my TV screen's bottom left and right corners.
3) I know it is early for me, but I can't knock the AI as much as others do (this could change after a few weeks). PES made a big deal out of diagonal runs for 2012, but FIFA has diagonal runs all over the place. Not only that, a player making a diagonal run will alter his path to get around a defender and then get back on that diagonal. They will even swim move over a defender. Sometimes they change directions entirely to choose a better angle of travel. PES is so much more linear.
4) Similarily, a player in the box will loop around defenders to find open space for passes often stepping in front of you (PES doesn't even come close to this). Now that is AI
4) No more PES type CPU defenders closing every break down with superhuman speed
5) Real contests in the race for free balls - no more 100% challenge wins by the CPU
6) I haven't nailed down defending yet, or passing, so I gave up the ball alot out of my backfield and then couldn't stop the counter - got slammed 8-0, 6-0 in two of the games....but I never saw the same goal twice which is counter to what I have heard as negative criticism directed at FIFA.
7) CPU errors in passing - no more 40 yard ground passes that become glued to the CF. More crosses that are not on a string from foot to head. It started to feel more realistic than PES in this category.
8) I feel like defending more away from the ball in FIFA rather than closing in on the ball every second.
9) An increase in deflection, second chance goals for me. In PES it seems only the CPU gets these opportunities (or at least a helluva lot more).
what I missed from PES
1) that IT factor. PES goals do result in me fist pumping, but my goals last night made me just smile for a second.
2) open midfields
3) editing
4) menus (FIFA gameplan menu is horrible)
5) home team opening kickoffs - this really bothers me in FIFA
6) Individuality - I hear what people are saying
7) gameplay factors that I won't bore you with writing
edit: almost forgot - FIFA through passes don't result in my AI player simply running along side the ball for 8 yards and not picking it up so a CPU defender walks in and steals it as in PES.....and, FIFA will allow my AI players to track back to the ball for a few steps to receive a pass if it is needed to stop a CPU defender getting there first. PES will just keep a player stationary and let them play with themselves as the CPU counters.
and no more telegraphing long throw-ins like PES
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