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I bought Fifa!

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shaun7

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@Ironcity, don't take me as the one who argues all the time. Some stupid idiots just love to brag the same things about me when in fact, I never mentioned pes vs fifa in this thread. All I commented on was how shooting FOR BOTH GAMES could in my view be improved and then some kid turned this into the same discussion. So yeah, read the facts next time please because it wasn't me that turned this thread.

Infact, look at my post above, I'll quote it:

"Semi-Auto in Fifa is definitely better than Manual, I agree. BUT, it still doesn't do the job nor justify my post.

Fifa's semi-auto still does not have player individuality (but then again, the whole game doesn't have enough individuality) and the shots are still too sensitive.

If however, someone either from EA or Konami decides to go the route i am talking about, they need to make the shots not nearly as sensitive as fifa's semi or manual. That way, you'll have a much and I mean much more control over the shot direction (since you can move the stick in more angles or rotations, so the more you can do that, the more directions a shot can go) but then, the game calculates the player's individuality in the shot, meaning that: ex:

A player with long range capabilities is able to score goals easier than with a player who doesn't have long range capabilities. What I mean is that it would be easier for you to aim and shoot from a distance with him than with a player without the long range star (or whatever). You will have a WIDER movement with the stick that still results in a goal or a better shot .

The same applies to those strikers who are great in 1vs1 like Matri (with Juve). With these players, you will have a wider spread of shot direction that you can do with the stick that would still result in a goal. But when using other strikers that aren't that good 1vs1, you can still do the same shots, but it would be harder to aim it. I am NOT talking about AIM ASSISTS, NO. I am talking about a wider movement with the stick that you can do while aiming that will depend on the player's individuality.

This way you'll have both player individuality and the gamer's (you) precision without having the game deciding for you (pes) or without the game removing player individuality fifa)."


In this I mention the best of both world's shooting from pes and fifa and how they can be combined to create a truly wonderful shooting system. Up to that point, the discussion was civil. It's not my fault that some people hate my posts and cause them to write the same BS about me, just because of what I said (which was the truth) on this forum in some other threads.
 

dan80

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I think it just comes down to what people like and want, when i play fifa i cant help but get bored when the same sort of stuff happens during games, also my fifa doesn't actually work due to micro freezing so already cant be the best football game.

Pes is still poor this year as well and i dont think its been any good since pes 6 or up to the standards of those games, pes is just so frustrating this year yet i seem to still play it as i cant play fifa cause its broke.

But just going to have to wait for the next football games to see if there any better.
 

Pokervriend

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What does strike me is that a lot of negative comments about PES are the result of peoples lack of skill. When I play online I also see that 80% of the players only understand half the game. They don't seem to realize how to defend properly. They don't get when (if at all) to use the Supercancel. They dribble like amateurs, just holding R1 and hope for the best. They don't time shooting well, resulting in soft shots trough the middle. PES has it's (big) flaws, dont get me wrong. It's just annoying to read some of the complaints. Some guys seem to blame the game for their lack of skills.
 

Sminky

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He means me - err, techboy.

No, he meant Tech_Skill, he hasn't posted as much over the last 9 months. Tech_Skill used to regularly argue the flaws of PES, along with Amateur, against Ultimate777.

Although they boiled over on occasions, the exchanges between the three, particularly Tech_Skill and Ultimate777 were bloody hilarious.

The one thing they all agreed on was that FIFA was fairly prosaic.
 

shaun7

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^Actually, Ockrass made up his mind about techboy and techskill. According to his little made up story, techboy is techskill :laugh:
 

beeoasis

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Great debate. I've played FIFA a lot, lot more than pes over the last few years. Infact after PES 6 I've only bought and kept PES 2012 which am trying to get into now. After hammering FIFA and mastering all aspects of it, I am Struggerling to get the hang of PES but am prepared to give it chance. Ive found alot of what frustrated me in FIFA (AI teammates) is so much better in PES and am enjoying it so far, despite the shooting!

To say FIFA has no soul is just stupid. Try playing 6 seasons in League 2 and watching players develop in the youth team. Missing out on the playoffs or losing out at wembley before bouncing back the following season with a couple of new signings. In short manager mode is immense!

Also people moan that FIFA is all about strength, but the way you can run across the man tracking you down, like forwards do in real football, is far better than in pes where the man seems to catch you are slow you down despite the strength attribute of either player!

As someone said, you get far too many one on ones in FIFA no matter how much you play with the stupid sliders! This is down to the poor tactical side to the game and the lack of AI team work. But if EA can sort this, along with more player individuality, I can't think of much else they would need to do on the gameplay side. Which compared to the long long list of things wrong with PES, makes FIFA the best game to play. My opinion!!! Hope both game get their act together next year tho!

How good was PES 6??? Good times!

Random post!!!!!!!
 

IronCity

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add to my long list post a page ago as beeoasis mentions - its nice in FIFA not to simply be overwhelmed by a defender everytime they approach you from the side; A PES - CPU defender will do it every time. Forget about holding off a PES defender in the corner. You will be mugged and left for dead.
 

OCKRASS

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^Actually, Ockrass made up his mind about techboy and techskill. According to his little made up story, techboy is techskill :laugh:

Sup Shaun?

Nope ..I don't think techskill is techboy ...i made a mistake.

I am on this forum only occasionally and in my post I incorrectly wrote the wrong name.

It would be hard to say they are both the same techboy is waaay more grounded than techskill. Techskill was obsessed with the 10 minute game plan ....while techboy is a normal person. But I still don't see why he doesn't play Fifa12. I only wish that both you and Techboy would stop spreading erroneous hate filled rumors about Fifa12...rumors like these.

"Fifa's semi-auto still does not have player individuality (but then again, the whole game doesn't have enough individuality) and the shots are still too sensitive" NOT TRUE

Try using Drogba to run around defenders like Messi does..or try shooting as hard with Messi as Drogba does. Also, I can shoot cannons in Fifa ...maybe you need to play the game to see the results.

You have also incorrectly stated that Fifa is about one on ones, where the hell do you see that? But of course it will happen if you pull your defenders out to chase every single opponent...then you WILL get burned. Fifa's new defending system allows you to track players more precisely. Have you heard of the "Contain Button" or "Team Contain"....? Use them and I can guarantee there will be no one on one at all.

As I have stated before Shaun, none of what you state happens in my Fifa, only yours and Techboy. You guys fabricate so many rubbish about the game its easy to see that neither of you play Fifa ...and if you do, you have definitely not grasped how to play such a simple game.

PES has not changed its game engine since PS2 days..this allows Konami to create the game for multiple platforms with less overhead cost. PES next gen is now just a HD glossed version of the PS2 version.

This results in the poor animations and restrictive gameplay that have stiffed the game over the years. Now they are promising to change the engine...again. I don't think they will though. Many still enjoy the robotic, fast paced, attack attack, run fast and shoot cannons type of game play that PES offers. I won't even get into how they are the only gaming platform who has not sorted out online for all users. Poor :angry:


Oh and for the record....I like pissing off the people here who hates Fifa, its such an easy game to play.
 

shaun7

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Ok, ok. Get this in your head now. If you cannot see what I wrote about Fifa, good for you, however I see them and they are huge gamebreakers.

It's useless to debate things with people who cannot and will not accept them.

To further prove my point, go into the thread that techboy opened where he backed it up with video evidence. A video is worth a million answers I say.

Oh and I already stated countless times that the only individuality in fifa's shooting is the power.
 

OCKRASS

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Ok, ok. Get this in your head now. If you cannot see what I wrote about Fifa, good for you, however I see them and they are huge gamebreakers.

It's useless to debate things with people who cannot and will not accept them.

To further prove my point, go into the thread that techboy opened where he backed it up with video evidence. A video is worth a million answers I say.

Oh and I already stated countless times that the only individuality in fifa's shooting is the power.

:shocking:

Are you suggesting that i accept your false "analysis" of Fifa?

Shame on you Shaun...you know I have a brain for myself.

I have seen the poor vids that tech posted and in them he admitted that he was not a good Fifa player. I have posted vids also where it proves you are talking rubbish about the game....did you accept it?

I don't think so.

Fifa ..Hands down.. is the best football game on any console today.
Thats the fact bro.

Now if you state you like PES..its all good Shaun its you own prerogative, but don't come here making up stuff about a game that you OBVIOUSLY DO NOT PLAY.

You do not play Fifa ...it soooo clear.

Love PES Shaun ...leave Fifa alone.

EA ...its in the game! :w00t
 

shaun7

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@Ockrass. You say false analysis and I say the truth. Take a look at this thread.

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=88035

Now, if you want to continue your denial, feel free. But you would be the one looking bad. Oh and your efforts with trying to piss me off are not working son.

Yes, tech may not have been in his prime, but his analysis on the game weren't connected with the gamer's skill, but with the way the game was designed. You videos showed nothing really apart from your denial.

I suggest anyone to look at this thread because the videos speak for themselves really. It's not me spreading BS about Fifa, the truth is crystal clear for anyone who wants to see it and it is backed up with videos. Same goes for pes 12.

Oh and:

Love PES Shaun ...leave Fifa alone.

:laugh: How many times do I need to make a statement that I don't play pes nor fifa anymore because they are not up to standards. If you told me go and play skyrim or dark souls then you would have been 100% right.
 

OCKRASS

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.... How many times do I need to make a statement that I don't play pes nor fifa ....


:blush: Happy to see you admit it....Then quit talking bullcrap about a game you don't play.

Love Skyrim and DarkSoul and leave the Fifa analysis to someone who actually plays the game.

You know nothing about Fifa bro..ur just making stuff up.

End of argument
 

shaun7

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^You are over your head buddy that you forgot to quote the other word that was "anymore". That alone changes the meaning of the sentence. Please read the whole thing.

I am playing Dark Souls and Skyrim NOW because fifa 12 and pes 12 didn't satisfy my gaming needs and to me they weren't up to standard.

But that does not mean that I NEVER played the games. I did play fifa 12, but only for 3 days until I realized how annoying it was for me. It is my opinion that I hate it, but the things I said about the game are facts that aren't made up.

Again take a look at this thread. If you understand English, then you will understand it. Go on, don't hesitate. Oh and if that wouldn't be enough for you, then in that same thread there are videos too which backs up the evidence. :laugh:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=88035

If you don't want to see that thread, it means that you are in denial my friend. Some people can live with those things that tech mentioned, but I cannot and will not accept that rubbish in a game. A simple answer.
 
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