"I don't like PES'09" Hate it? Well let us know here and only here.

[jenicek68]

Ok that was hard to read. Imo Fifa is definetly the new pes and maybe even as good as earlier pes's. So far ive had some absolute cracking games with mates where there have been expansive counter attacks, last ditch defending, open goals missed, cross bars, last minute winners etc. In Fifa 09 when im playing m8s in my online league i get most of those things nearly every game and each game is really eventful.

On the flip side, Pes is as dull as dish water.

Point is, Tech_Skill didn't get the point.. That is all. I am not going to argue about PES or FIFA.. I like PES, you like FIFA and that is how it will stay for sure.. But no-one can judge me for my english.. At least i have tried something. But he is mental.. How he can be so agressive? He should go visit some doctor or something..

 

[GALL1GAN]

lol how do u change avatar it only gives me a selection of english club badges

 

[murc]

lol... two years ago, with the advent of FIFA 08 and PES 6, I said the PES series was going down the crapper and FIFA is on the rise... Albeit, PES09 is an ok offering, it's just really frustrating that the problems this game suffers from are those that directly affect the way you're able to play the game.

PES pros:
shooting - I think the shooting system is perfect... it's as good as it's ever been as far as feel and aesthetics are concerned.

lob passing - it's a really, really good feature as well this time around. I can pick out anybody on the field at will this year. Lob through balls are usually spot on.

PES cons:
AI - WTF are my teammates doing as I'm on the ball 90% of the time? NOTHING. They just stand around and watch... at least I think they're watching. CPU pressure is useless as well. All the CPU does to help you is to get in the way and MAYBE knock the ball away from the dribbler by accident... that is, if he doesn't get himself carded.

Short passing - while it's swift and crisp, too many passes go astray. I feel that through balls are too computer assisted as well.

Xbox360 controllers - TERRIBLE controller for pro evo... period. The sensitivity of the stick might have alot to do with the passing problems...

I'd go through the FIFA pros and cons, but you all don't want to hear any of that.

 

[muzza798]

Imo Pes will never catch Fifa up. We all talk about how good it could be if they did this or that but the truth is that they've done almost f**k all for the last 10 years and i mean it. In a best case senario Pes may be a bit fun to play in 2010 but what you all seem to let pass you bye is the fact Fifa can improve aswell and now Fifa has blown Pes out the atmosphere Pes will never be the better or funner game. If Fifa improves again this year like they did last year Pes will be utterly redundent. Fifa needs very little improvement in all areas whereas Pes needs a whole dam revolution of titanic proportions to get things moving and the thing is its not gonna happen.

Its hard to take but its true. Pes wont have 360 movement or any thing close, they wont have decent and varied annimation, they wont have a new ML, they wont have decent AI. The list could go on till the end of time. The game will just not change. You have to accept that and decide between a realistic revolution which is taking place at Fifa or you can sit with your crumbling empire of a game that has had its day and is no more. Ive played pes intensively since pes 2 and i admit its over. The fact is once Fifa takes the lead in this race they will never give it up or ever be second again. Maybe pes will have a kl new ML or workable online but it will never be as good. Just my 2 cents.

 

[dan80]

Imo Pes will never catch Fifa up. We all talk about how good it could be if they did this or that but the truth is that they've done almost f**k all for the last 10 years and i mean it. In a best case senario Pes may be a bit fun to play in 2010 but what you all seem to let pass you bye is the fact Fifa can improve aswell and now Fifa has blown Pes out the atmosphere Pes will never be the better or funner game. If Fifa improves again this year like they did last year Pes will be utterly redundent. Fifa needs very little improvement in all areas whereas Pes needs a whole dam revolution of titanic proportions to get things moving and the thing is its not gonna happen.

Its hard to take but its true. Pes wont have 360 movement or any thing close, they wont have decent and varied annimation, they wont have a new ML, they wont have decent AI. The list could go on till the end of time. The game will just not change. You have to accept that and decide between a realistic revolution which is taking place at Fifa or you can sit with your crumbling empire of a game that has had its day and is no more. Ive played pes intensively since pes 2 and i admit its over. The fact is once Fifa takes the lead in this race they will never give it up or ever be second again. Maybe pes will have a kl new ML or workable online but it will never be as good. Just my 2 cents.

wow i sort of agree with u but pes can try and see what happans next year but if its basicly the same as 2009 then u are probably right

 

[byondthought]

Imo Pes will never catch Fifa up. We all talk about how good it could be if they did this or that but the truth is that they've done almost f**k all for the last 10 years and i mean it. In a best case senario Pes may be a bit fun to play in 2010 but what you all seem to let pass you bye is the fact Fifa can improve aswell and now Fifa has blown Pes out the atmosphere Pes will never be the better or funner game. If Fifa improves again this year like they did last year Pes will be utterly redundent. Fifa needs very little improvement in all areas whereas Pes needs a whole dam revolution of titanic proportions to get things moving and the thing is its not gonna happen.

Its hard to take but its true. Pes wont have 360 movement or any thing close, they wont have decent and varied annimation, they wont have a new ML, they wont have decent AI. The list could go on till the end of time. The game will just not change. You have to accept that and decide between a realistic revolution which is taking place at Fifa or you can sit with your crumbling empire of a game that has had its day and is no more. Ive played pes intensively since pes 2 and i admit its over. The fact is once Fifa takes the lead in this race they will never give it up or ever be second again. Maybe pes will have a kl new ML or workable online but it will never be as good. Just my 2 cents.

Depends, some people prefer a more basic and arcadish version of football....pick up and play, straight into the action, the dodge viper, fifa 2000...

pes is alot easyer to play great football and seems to have no room for elitist's

its a crime, i dont think football should be like that...i just hope thats not the direction Konami are really going..2010 will answer alot for me, i hope it dosnt see the end of a long friendship i have had with the series..

 

[Tech_Skill]

Imo Pes will never catch Fifa up. We all talk about how good it could be if they did this or that but the truth is that they've done almost f**k all for the last 10 years and i mean it. In a best case senario Pes may be a bit fun to play in 2010 but what you all seem to let pass you bye is the fact Fifa can improve aswell and now Fifa has blown Pes out the atmosphere Pes will never be the better or funner game. If Fifa improves again this year like they did last year Pes will be utterly redundent. Fifa needs very little improvement in all areas whereas Pes needs a whole dam revolution of titanic proportions to get things moving and the thing is its not gonna happen.

Its hard to take but its true. Pes wont have 360 movement or any thing close, they wont have decent and varied annimation, they wont have a new ML, they wont have decent AI. The list could go on till the end of time. The game will just not change. You have to accept that and decide between a realistic revolution which is taking place at Fifa or you can sit with your crumbling empire of a game that has had its day and is no more. Ive played pes intensively since pes 2 and i admit its over. The fact is once Fifa takes the lead in this race they will never give it up or ever be second again. Maybe pes will have a kl new ML or workable online but it will never be as good. Just my 2 cents.

Of course, PES2010 is gonna need a miracle to beat fifa 2010, if it happens, i will be the 1st to praise konami for turning it around. But EA already have the licenses, now they have the animations, better game modes, graphics, ai, and a better simulation. Pes 2010 has a mountain to climb, if EA can improve the gameplay for fifa 2010, i really fear for the future of pes. EA always had the resources, but they never gave a shit for years, but in one year, they listened to what the fans wanted in a next gen footy game, while konami pushed out the same old crap with a different front cover, now they are paying the price.

Can i just say, there are already threads on the ea website with lists of specific improvements for 2010, the EA reps asks for specific improvements, not wether you like the game or not, and they ask you state which platform you play on. Seems like EA will once again listen to what the fans ask for and try to incorporate it into the next fifa.

Remember the petitions against PES 2008? did seabass listen to any of those? LMAO.

 

[dan80]

will konami ever acually listen i really dont think so

 

[trigglebeef]

Imo Pes will never catch Fifa up. We all talk about how good it could be if they did this or that but the truth is that they've done almost f**k all for the last 10 years and i mean it. In a best case senario Pes may be a bit fun to play in 2010 but what you all seem to let pass you bye is the fact Fifa can improve aswell and now Fifa has blown Pes out the atmosphere Pes will never be the better or funner game. If Fifa improves again this year like they did last year Pes will be utterly redundent. Fifa needs very little improvement in all areas whereas Pes needs a whole dam revolution of titanic proportions to get things moving and the thing is its not gonna happen.

Its hard to take but its true. Pes wont have 360 movement or any thing close, they wont have decent and varied annimation, they wont have a new ML, they wont have decent AI. The list could go on till the end of time. The game will just not change. You have to accept that and decide between a realistic revolution which is taking place at Fifa or you can sit with your crumbling empire of a game that has had its day and is no more. Ive played pes intensively since pes 2 and i admit its over. The fact is once Fifa takes the lead in this race they will never give it up or ever be second again. Maybe pes will have a kl new ML or workable online but it will never be as good. Just my 2 cents.

So so true! I don't even find it hard to take anymore. I've given Konami loads of my hard earned cash so they've done well out of me. The truth is that it's a good thing Fifa has taken over because it's always had the non-gameplay related elements that we all wanted in PES, and is therefore now the complete package. I can only see PES lasting a couple more years at this rate TBH.

 

[muzza798]

The only reason i want pes around anymore is that competition will push Fifa on further.

 

[trigglebeef]

The only reason i want pes around anymore is that competition will push Fifa on further.

The thing is that as soon as EA get the better of their competition there's pretty much no hope left.

Imagine that over the last 10-15 years it was Konami who had all the licenses and fancy features, not EA. Fifa would have died a long time ago because it would have had nothing to offer anybody. The only reason they chugged along side by side while all other football games fell by the wayside was that Fifa had all the licenses and glam, and Pro Evo had the best gameplay. Basically they both had contrasting but very attractive qualities to buyers. Now the gameplay has shifted to Fifa as well, what do Konami have left to fight with? Not much. I suppose it was inevitable in the end that EA would have the last laugh.

 

[MachineHead]

There's still lots and lots of things to develop in terms of gameplay, so if Konami just put some effort, they could challenge FIFA easily. All they would need to do is ditch the lousy PES 08-09 systems and start developing PES5 onwards

 

[Tech_Skill]

The thing is that as soon as EA get the better of their competition there's pretty much no hope left.

Imagine that over the last 10-15 years it was Konami who had all the licenses and fancy features, not EA. Fifa would have died a long time ago because it would have had nothing to offer anybody. The only reason they chugged along side by side while all other football games fell by the wayside was that Fifa had all the licenses and glam, and Pro Evo had the best gameplay. Basically they both had contrasting but very attractive qualities to buyers. Now the gameplay has shifted to Fifa as well, what do Konami have left to fight with? Not much. I suppose it was inevitable in the end that EA would have the last laugh.

Spot on mate. PES had the gameplay, nothing else, now it doesnt even have that anymore, whats it got left. EA have the far more challenging gameplay and AI, then when you add shit like not having to edit kits, boots and all that shit, add the commentary and manager mode and pes is in serious trouble.

The only way back for pes is to somehow totally revolutionize the way football is played on consoles. For instance if they introduced weight passing and assigned that to the right stick only, can you imagine if they managed to work out a precise weighted pass system based on stick only movements?

That sort of innovation is what they need plus a massive increase in the player animations etc, then they have a chance.

But to be honest, EA are more likely to do that idea than konami, as they have consistently looked for ways of innovating the way sports games are played on consoles. It was ea who were the 1st to inroduce a boxing game where stick movements controlled punches (fight night) and where stick movements controlled swing on golf games (tiger woods).

Konami just didnt listen, now they pay the price, bottom line is, about 3/4 years ago PES shitted over fifa when pes5/6 came out. Now Konami's lead is non existant and EA could visably put a permanent end to pro evo if this shit carries on.

 

[muzza798]

There's still lots and lots of things to develop in terms of gameplay, so if Konami just put some effort, they could challenge FIFA easily. All they would need to do is ditch the lousy PES 08-09 systems and start developing PES5 onwards

The problem with pes is that it never changes and is always looking back which is what we DONT need. We need pes to look forward in directions not yet seen. They have to ditch the whole 'lets go back to the good old days' crap and come up with a revolutionary game that is different in every aspect.

 

[dan80]

i think the thing is konami havent stepped up to making it work on the next gen games where as fifa have just gone all out and made a prety fucking good game i agree why should konami go back to the good old days lets go forward pes 5 was legendry but its over now that was for ps2 we are now next gen and we are not getting it like i said before if they just put that extra piece of effot in the game pes might be going somewhere if u remeber sebass saying im satisfied with this game that is a really stupid thing to say u should sa yes its good but we want more we want to keep improving each year and make the best god dam football game ever thats the type of attitude i want and the one sebass has its like he couldnt give 2 fucks about the future of the game and the fans

 

[muzza798]

This will be the first year im definetly going to buy Fifa and actually have to think about getting Pes.

 

[trigglebeef]

Switched Fifa onto all manual controls last night and stuck at it for a few hours. The last dying ember of my love for Pro Evo has now been extinguished. Manual passing is genius. It makes the game loads more of a challenge but what i really like is that you can play the ball into space better, allowing the receiving player time to pull of a nifty little trick and go by his man. So not only does it give me great practice with manual controls, but also the trick stick. I fucking love it.

 

[muzza798]

Switched Fifa onto all manual controls last night and stuck at it for a few hours. The last dying ember of my love for Pro Evo has now been extinguished. Manual passing is genius. It makes the game loads more of a challenge but what i really like is that you can play the ball into space better, allowing the receiving player time to pull of a nifty little trick and go by his man. So not only does it give me great practice with manual controls, but also the trick stick. I fucking love it.

When i get my xbox back in a few days im gonna try manual. How much better is it then?

 

[trigglebeef]

When i get my xbox back in a few days im gonna try manual. How much better is it then?

It's hard as fuck but there's a lot more satisfaction to be had, and you feel a sense of complete freedom. I've had to go back down from Legendary to Professional to start off, and am getting a lot of 0-0 draws. It's definitely gonna be a good challenge getting to the level where i can consistently win on Legendary with all manual.

The best thing about manaul passing is being able to put passes into space rather than straight to feet, if that's what the situation calls for. Eye of the needle passing will definitely take a lot of time to perfect though, but when you pull one off that splits the defence it's awesome. Until you belt your shot 10 yards wide.

 

[byondthought]

This will be the first year im definetly going to buy Fifa and actually have to think about getting Pes.

I know, if you had told me i would be doing that 2 years a go, i would of said your mad...

PES is a square and i want a cube.

i am looking forward more to fifa2010 than pes2010, absolute madness..



sorry to all pes bum boys for posting this but some real football peeps might like it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f0BZD0BqeQ&feature=related