I just played a few games on PES6 and.....

[Red Owl]

Personally, I thought PES6 was too easy after a while - on Master League I could play how badly I liked, then score however many 40yard screamers with C Ronaldo and Shaw as I wanted and then I won.

I think PES2009 has a better difficulty curve - but that's only marginally down to better AI, it is mostly down to the lack of control you have over your players.

 

[olsam]

yeh but thats poor, the game being harder for longer because you havnt go the full control over your players, personally id prefer to get to a level where ive got the game completely worked out and i have to challenge myself in other ways, eg ML with shit team than what you get with 09, thats what the game is all about getting to the level where your the best.

and to those video clips: there is hope then, i shall just practice and keep trying ill post up a video of a good 1 on 1 on PES6, i just think scoring on it is that much better.

 

[shaun7]

^I still need practice too. But I can score great curls. I loved Pes 06 when it came out, but I was disappointed that the ball didn't curl as much as it did with pes 5. Not that's why I'm happy with pes 09. Its back to Pes 5.

 

[Red Owl]

yeh but thats poor, the game being harder for longer because you havnt go the full control over your players, personally id prefer to get to a level where ive got the game completely worked out and i have to challenge myself in other ways, eg ML with shit team than what you get with 09, thats what the game is all about getting to the level where your the best.

and to those video clips: there is hope then, i shall just practice and keep trying ill post up a video of a good 1 on 1 on PES6, i just think scoring on it is that much better.

Since when did I say it wasn't poor? My point is that PES6 is a more enjoyable game, but with a shorter life-span. I started with the original ML players and won every league at the first attempt - PES2009 is generally harder, but it's not as enjoyable.

 

[olsam]

Since when did I say it wasn't poor? My point is that PES6 is a more enjoyable game, but with a shorter life-span. I started with the original ML players and won every league at the first attempt - PES2009 is generally harder, but it's not as enjoyable.

ah sorry mate misunderstood, yeh thats my point too, i think its better the PES6 way though all though i was dissapointed there wasnt the extra star difficulty you could buy in PES shop like in previous games, i havnt looked to see if thats in 09. by the way i play top player for all PES games.

 

[Red Owl]

ah sorry mate misunderstood, yeh thats my point too, i think its better the PES6 way though all though i was dissapointed there wasnt the extra star difficulty you could buy in PES shop like in previous games, i havnt looked to see if thats in 09. by the way i play top player for all PES games.

Yeah, PES6 was the first game without the extra star - and it was also the first game where I got upto the ability to play on the top rating (I only had PES5 previously, and wasn't very good at that at the time) so I've never had the chance to play on the extra difficulty, which is annoying. I doubt it's on PES2009, all the fun extras seem to have been removed from PES now.

 

[shaun7]

^Top player is not easy on pes 09.

 

[olsam]

thats what we are saying though, the game is more difficult as a whole not because there is more to learn and understand but because there is less control over your players.

 

[gov_lfc]

i just went to fifa 09 this year...its clearly a better game.

1. u can't call urself "proevofan88" and move to fifa no matter how larger the disapointment of 08 , 9prffff sum pro evo fan:erm:)

2. u shud be smarter than make a stupidly false coment like that on a site called "PESgaming", which if you didn't know alredy if for "PES fans", ur entitled to ur view but plz be smarter next time and don't post things like that on dis site(or any other PES site) for your own benefit that is

 

[scoles_1]

every newer version of winning eleven/PES is essentially an improvement in gameplay.

It just happens that this version is getting closer to reality football which is perhaps not everybody's cup of tea! Ok it might not be 100% but it's getting close. and if you watch any live football you would see how possession is won and lost in midfield battles and how stronger teams with better players can make runs, crosses and shots.

here is my point. I think that the gameplay of pes09 is becoming too close to what football is and i'm sure not alot of gamers like and/or understand that type of play. Take this example. If you ever played real football pick up games you would see those who don't play football run around like headless chicken trying to run the entire field, dribble everyone (if they could) and do not pass to anyone else.

there are few pick up games that ended up in organized football game with possession and nice passing and scoring because it requires understanding of the game.

I really think that this is the same when it comes to football games on consoles. There are those who like run the entire field and shoot or just click click goal (e.g. fifa style).

Fortunately, there are many others who understand and love what real football is about and luckily there is WE/PES series.

For me I love the gameplay of PES and I have never played an older version when I have a newer one.

I did try fifa along many of my friends (due to the hype) and almost all agree that PES is superior in gameplay.

Think what you like about pes gameplay and if you prefer it then fair enough BUT its not gettin closer to 100% simulation, by seabass' own admission, they are not trying to make a footy sim but a game that is fun for all. . . . which p*sses me off big time cos on ps2 pes was the most in depth footy game goin and i loved it. . . just not anymore, it needs a new engine. . . .hope 2010 is a proper next gen pes game!

 

[PESFan92]

Im gonna have myy say, I enjoy playing PES09. Its the little touches that make it good. I.e

quick 1 touch football. 1vs1's and using the RT or R2 to place the ball round the keeper. As the ball hits the net it doesn't stay in one place no more. it react's of the net and moves up, or around the goal.

 

[ISS]

thats what we are saying though, the game is more difficult as a whole not because there is more to learn and understand but because there is less control over your players.

Thats exactly the way I see it too. I could not agree more!

If you guys have some time, why don't you read my suggestion to bring back PES 6 shooting. If you are going to vote "no" please don't follow the link, lool. Well at least read all my suggestion. Thanks.
http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread.php?t=211608

 

[shaun7]

It's not because you have less control over your players but pes 09 does cheat a bit more than Pes 6. It's true.
But maybe you do have less control, but that's because of other things. The abilities on this game really matters.

 

[Amateur]

thats what we are saying though, the game is more difficult as a whole not because there is more to learn and understand but because there is less control over your players.

That's exactly the problem, you put it perfectly with just a few words.

The game is harder because we barely have control over Our players off-the-ball movement. Most of the goals the Com scores against me are the product of a Corner, or a ridiculous Tackle I had nothing to do with.

I think it feels too Scripted, this is why it isn't as addictive as PES6. Because even though PES09 can be harder at times you just don't feel that involved in the game.

The General Opinion is that PES09 is harder and more realistic. But My opinion is that although different, it's just as easy.

I play it at the hardest level and the Long Through Ball never fails, One goal after the other.. Although whenever I score a Goal to go Ahead, the Com finds a way to level the scores straightaway. For some reason, whenever I go ahead, my Defenders stop defending.

It's so predictable now, and actually, sometimes I feel offended by the Lack of Depth offered by this game. I don't like How the Com dictates my Team's movement.

PES09 is a game made for the masses.. the Com dictates everything for you, whereas You only Pass, Shot, or Tackle. The game wants You to play with quick first-touch passes, and the rest is all about the R2 "pass and move".

You barely have to Think at all.

Uncompromising, straightforward and easy. It still is fun, but not as addictive, and the "Replay Value" isn't the same for me.

 

[Dragonfly]

Every PES games has been easy, that is, once you discover a winning formula. The last game was about sprinting to the byline and cutting it back for someone to score. This time round, you can walk it from one end to the other. If you decide to play that way, or any one-dimensional system, it'll get boring. The good thing about this and PES games in general is that you have the option to play in whatever style you choose. If you can't play flowing, passing football, chances are, it's not for you, or you're not good enough. I actually no longer have any problems with the computer taking over my player and giving a way a problem, because I've discovered a way to defend without needing to hold any of the press/tackle buttons. I only press the tackle buttons when I plan to go for the ball. If I see one of my CPU controlled players approach an attacker, I will press L to control him. It's been incredibly rare for me to give away a CPU-controlled penalty for some weeks, however, it doesn't stop me winning them in the same way.

 

[Amateur]

Still, Only using One Button to defend?? I think that's boring.

We should have more abilities to master.

It is true that we can Play many Types of football, from defensive to flowing-passing Football. But the problem is that playing Complicated moves is Easy, thus making it a One-Dimensional game regardless of How you choose to play it.

I also agree about all the PES games being easy with the "right formula". But thing is that I felt more In Control of My Team in PES6.

In PES09 it's like you said, you can Defend effectively by just Tapping One button. In other words, the Com dictates everything for Us -and- all We decide is When and How to Pass or Shoot the ball.

It's isn't as addictive, it doesn't seems to have the same "Replay Value" as past versions.

 

[Dragonfly]

If you can play different styles of football, it doesn't mean you have to stick to the one you are comfortable with. If you really want to experience the range of football you can play on PES 2009, you actually have to be willing to try. It's not "a one-dimensional game regardless of how you choose to play". A pass-and-move style in itself is more than one-dimensional. You can mix different styles in one game. It's up to you. Unfortunately, people's main objectives seem to be to win at any cost, even if that means to play repetitive football that takes advantage of the game's easy-route (can't think of the word).

I use one to two buttons at a time to tackle, but three different alternatives. I use the slide button, the "press player" button or the two R buttons together, which I find most effective/safe, without giving away free-kicks or penalties.

To be honest, like many people have said already, maybe it doesn't feel as addictive, simply because you've grown out of it.

 

[Amateur]

If you can play different styles of football, it doesn't mean you have to stick to the one you are comfortable with. If you really want to experience the range of football you can play on PES 2009, you actually have to be willing to try. It's not "a one-dimensional game regardless of how you choose to play". A pass-and-move style in itself is more than one-dimensional. You can mix different styles in one game. It's up to you. Unfortunately, people's main objectives seem to be to win at any cost, even if that means to play repetitive football that takes advantage of the game's easy-route (can't think of the word).

I use one to two buttons at a time to tackle, but three different alternatives. I use the slide button, the "press player" button or the two R buttons together, which I find most effective/safe, without giving away free-kicks or penalties.

To be honest, like many people have said already, maybe it doesn't feel as addictive, simply because you've grown out of it.

Maybe that's Why, it's only natural after playing it for so long.

But apart from that, even Now I can feel a difference. When I play PES6 I feel more In control of My player's off-the-ball movement. I think PES09 haves better off-the-ball Movement than PES6, whereas PES6 haves better off-the-ball Play.

And as for the "One-Dimensional" thing, I think it was my mistake when I said the thing about "only using One button". I mean, I do think One Button is just too minimalistic. But still, maybe 3 buttons could do the job.

In my opinion, all the moves in PES are one-dimensional and addictive since always. Even when you play a "Long Ball" tactic, or when your playing a Short Passing game, you just don't feel involved in How your Team Moves Off-The-Ball.

If I could be in a Situation where I'm thinking "I want This player to make a Diagonal run to the Right" IF the game gave me the option of Dictating Thoughts like that, that would make a world of difference.

Maybe having the Option of practicing Plays in Training, and Saving and assigning those Plays to a particular button, so that we can actually execute those "Tactical Plays" during Gameplay.

Neither PES6 or PES09 gives me such an Option, I cannot Dictate How the Com moves My players, I can only Guess how the Com Will Move my players.

It still is fun and addictive at times, but it just doesn't offers the Depth a Football Sim should have.

Positives?? This is a good game that can improve in every aspect.

 

[shaun7]

^Agreed especially with your last sentence.
The game has so much aspects to be improved.

 

[Dragonfly]

If I could be in a Situation where I'm thinking "I want This player to make a Diagonal run to the Right" IF the game gave me the option of Dictating Thoughts like that, that would make a world of difference.

Maybe having the Option of practicing Plays in Training, and Saving and assigning those Plays to a particular button, so that we can actually execute those "Tactical Plays" during Gameplay.

I've always wished I could control every player on the pitch and make the off-the-ball runners go where I want them - mind power operated gaming would be awesome. There have been many occassions when a player is making a good run into the box, but stops one stride too early, or turns the wrong way. They've taken a small step forwad to this a couple of games back when you could press R2 to make a player run forwards, but I wish this wasn't exclusively down to after passing.

You've got more freedom to control more players on the Wii version, but with all the arrows all over the place, it looks a bit messy.

Practicing tactics and set-plays is another thing I would love. I've wondered why they don't use the system from Champ Manager (not sure if in FM), where you can set the positioning for players in particular situations, on and off the ball. Again, they've tried to take a step in the right direction by allowing us to allocate players to go for corners, but it would be great if we could also allocate players to defend corners. Tall strikers would be handy in defending corners and we could have pacy players outside the box to break for a couter-attack. I assume you can do this by selecting more than one formation in the tactics area and switching before the ball goes out, but I would prefer an automatic switch.

I think some or most of the abilities stated are available in the game, it's just that I don't look deep into all that is available.