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Ultimate777

Banned
Yeah, I disagree with you....

I think you lost the plot since the very beginning, since you never had a decent argument to begin with: your opinion is just that, an opinion like any other.

You spend more time in here than me.... and I do not even own PES11; if you enjoy playing PES11 that much, why do you spend so much time in a negative PES thread? Who are you trying to convince?

That's were you lost the plot.... a looong fucking time ago, since the plot never even existed in the first place; this is just you and your delusions.

I stated my argument, nobody questioned my argument, nobody actually debated the actual argument; there was no plot, just you affirming and reaffirming your lack of understanding.

I never said that my opinion is correct and your opinion is incorrect; my argument is very simple, PES11 is in fact very scripted, flawed, superficial, insubstantial, outdated, etc.

You can either, like the game or dislike the game or feel indifferent about it: nobody would be correct, since these are all opinions.

The problem that you have, or your plot, is that you think your opinion is a fact, an absolute truth. That's stupid.

The reason why I said you've lost the plot is because you've reached a point where you no longer know what you're arguing about anymore and are just ranting and raving and not making any sense.

You even attacked your pal sminky pinky who was backing you up, but because you didnt take your medication, you didnt see that he was trying to help you. And you failed to take note of all the contrdictions and hypocrisy in your posts once again.

Let me go through it with you briefly to show where you've contradicted yourself

The problem that you have, or your plot, is that you think your opinion is a fact, an absolute truth. That's stupid

Then you go on about your belief that pes11 is outdated scripted and superficial which you then state is a fact.

my argument is very simple, PES11 is in fact very scripted, flawed, superficial, insubstantial, outdated, etc.

So in conclusion we see that you're nutjob
 

Amateur

Registered User
I've never censored anyone on PESgaming or told them what opinion to have, well not that the brain can recall but I do know I've encouraged respecting the opinions of others - and obviously the engaging of banter.

Its all getting a bit odd, I feel like I've stumbled into a conversation half way through and been mistaken for someone else :)

I've got no quarrell with you or Football777, sure I've argued and indulged in banter in the past but its par for the course as we love Football and at some point have all loved PES - blimey, I'm using 'love' as a context for a video game! :shocking:

That's cool,

I understand your point, yet my point is, that this whole situation was created by people like Football777.

He cannot expect that everyone will agree with him, and he should not describe the people who do not like PES11 as "simpletons" who don't know how to play the game; that's arrogant and condescending, and above all, a baseless assumption.

I know how to play the game, I simply don't enjoy how the game plays; in my opinion, the game is poorly designed, I already gave reasons to explain why I feel this way.

I mentioned something about not respecting your opinion, it was badly worded; I do not respect most arguments regarding PES, but I do respect opinions.

When people argue about PES and their argument revolves around personal preferences, subjective things such as "feel" of the game; I do not respect that, as it is a subjective and redundant argument.

However, I do respect the fact that you enjoy PES11 for what it is.

I expressed my opinion, I also expressed my argument; and suddenly, I have a couple of guys launching personal insults at me...

Is this not a forum?

If people like Football777 do not agree with my opinion, can they debate against my argument by using reasons and facts?

How do you explain the fact you CANNOT measure the direction and the distance when you tackle for the ball?

And yet you CAN measure the direction and the power when you pass the ball....

How do you explain the fact that defenders catch up to you even when you are well past them?

How do you explain the fact that, randomly, there are times when your teammates hide themselves or stop running.... is that also my fault?

And what about the broken cursor-change, is that supposed to be my fault too?

Football777, like any other fanboy, cannot argue with facts, and he will personally insult you if you do not agree with his opinion.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
Prove to me you're capable of playing the game then amateur.

You're full of shit. You dont respect anyones opinion who has anything positive to say about the game calling it subjective yet you make the same redundant comments about pes every year about how outdate flawed and simplistic it is yet apparently you're being factual and objective

Just stop playing the victim and play me so we can settle this once and for all.
 

Sminky

Registered User
Bud I hear your plight, I've been there and trust me - there are many facets of the game that still drive me doolally.

There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion and defending them in these forums but it can a tough crowd to please.

PESgaming is full of alot of enthuasiastic PES players and football fans and nothing seems to quite divide opinion than football. Take for example another popular game like say Tiger Woods Golf, I bet it doesn't get this heated in their forums and thats because golf doesn't polarise opinion and create fervour to the degree Football does.

P.S FIFA Players, now, they are nuts!
 

Stormrider

Registered User
But you're still here writing 1000 word essays at a time talking about how much you hate the game. If you like a game then fair play to ya go and enjoy it, if you don't like a game then you stop playing it and exchange it at one of many games shops in your local high street for something you will enjoy.

You clearly don't have better things to do with your time because apparently the majority of your time is spent on these boards writing up essays to explain how much you hate the game and to count anyone's positive opinion of the game as invalid.

If you don't like the game then stop posting here, most of us come here to talk about the game and to give and read constructive criticism. Your shit, on the other hand, is getting real old real quick.

:laugh: spot on. I'm dead certain 1 or 2 matches with Football777 will consume far less time than writing just 1 of his extremely long rants, and that also includes the time it would take to go out and acquire the game too.

Amateur I didn't think you'd bitch out after all that smack you talked in the other thread. Lame. I was looking forward to the outcome of the matches lol.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Bud I hear your plight, I've been there and trust me - there are many facets of the game that still drive me doolally.

There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion and defending them in these forums but it can a tough crowd to please.

PESgaming is full of alot of enthuasiastic PES players and football fans and nothing seems to quite divide opinion than football. Take for example another popular game like say Tiger Woods Golf, I bet it doesn't get this heated in their forums and thats because golf doesn't polarise opinion and create fervour to the degree Football does.

P.S FIFA Players, now, they are nuts!

I agree with most of what you say,

I just expect better from people whom I know could come up with better counter-arguments, other than calling you a "simpleton" just because....

In any case, it's good to have heated arguments, if everybody agreed on a general consensus it would be kinda boring; though at the same time, it can get really boring when all the heated arguments are just opinions vs opinions debates....

Opinion vs opinion... always ends the same way: agree to disagree, best case scenario.

I guess I'm starting to see no point in writing in forums, as I no longer see the point in participating or contributing to opinion vs opinion arguments.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
I agree with most of what you say,

I just expect better from people whom I know could come up with better counter-arguments, other than calling you a "simpleton" just because....

In any case, it's good to have heated arguments, if everybody agreed on a general consensus it would be kinda boring; though at the same time, it can get really boring when all the heated arguments are just opinions vs opinions debates....

Opinion vs opinion... always ends the same way: agree to disagree, best case scenario.

I guess I'm starting to see no point in writing in forums, as I no longer see the point in participating or contributing to opinion vs opinion arguments.

Whenever I take the time to go into depth to counter your long boring essays quote by quote and expose you're weak embarrassing arguments, you hide and pretend you didnt see the post.

You have a bad habit of cherry picking responses and then go on a tangent that has nothing to do with the debate at hand

Anyway everyone now knows you're a moron who repeats himself ad infinitum and bitches out of challenges like a coward.

I'm done with you
 

bestpesever

Registered User
"You even attacked your pal sminky pinky who was backing you up, but because you didnt take your medication, you didnt see that he was trying to help you"
this is hilarius.

of course people react that becouse this thread is called..
pes be like fifa.

u need to open new thread-i HATE pes-so some people dont go there.
and post ur ideas in feedback?
 

Sminky

Registered User
I agree with most of what you say,

I just expect better from people whom I know could come up with better counter-arguments, other than calling you a "simpleton" just because....

In any case, it's good to have heated arguments, if everybody agreed on a general consensus it would be kinda boring; though at the same time, it can get really boring when all the heated arguments are just opinions vs opinions debates....

Opinion vs opinion... always ends the same way: agree to disagree, best case scenario.

I guess I'm starting to see no point in writing in forums, as I no longer see the point in participating or contributing to opinion vs opinion arguments.

I think alot of the arguing can be put down to bravado and banter, in some ways like going to watch an actual match where the fans taunt and deride each other. In fact I was doing the same myself when I watched QPR beat Reading a couple of weeks ago, its football, it just brings the best and worst out of the fans.

I have to limit how much time I play on PES because I'm such a football obssessed addict, alot of the time I get frustrated with Konami because they cannot deliver on my - often ridiculously high - expectations.

You shouldn't stop posting but I can see how other people will want to settle this with a PS3 controller, its natural competitive spirit.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Whenever I take the time to go into depth to counter your long boring essays quote by quote and expose you're weak embarrassing arguments, you hide and pretend you didnt see the post.

You have a bad habit of cherry picking responses and then go on a tangent that has nothing to do with the debate at hand

Anyway everyone now knows you're a moron who repeats himself ad infinitum and bitches out of challenges like a coward.

I'm done with you

Dude, you write the word "bitch" and "simpleton" in a PES forum; I do not think you are in a position to judge on what is embarrassing or not.

The only embarrassing thing I have done, as far as I'm concerned, is lowering myself to your level: your insults produce more insults, I should have never responded to your embarrassing insults.

That's the only thing; other than that, you have proved nothing, other than what was already obvious: the fact that you are a dumb and obnoxious cunt.

Cherry picking? Not really, just reaffirming the same stance I always had: I have an opinion and I have an argument, some people are paying all the attention to my opinion, and zero attention to the actual argument.

My argument has nothing to do with playing the game, playing the game against you would not prove anything, since my argument states that I do not think the skills required in PES11 are skills to be taken seriously.

Difficulty has nothing to do with my argument, I could get my ass handed to me by one of them "hardcore" players, and it would not discredit my argument in any way.

I came up with the idea of playing a couple of matches for the sake of actually experiencing what the fuck you are on about, because you talk a lot of shit.

If you want to play, I can play NOW.

You mentioned the word "coward" and yet I was the person who actually came up with the idea, since you can't even come up with the initiative yourself.

You are not in a position to call me a coward, since I do not own PES11 nor even play PES11, and yet you play it and like it; therefore, I have a clear disadvantage and yet I came up with the idea.

The bottom line is, you are a disrespectful cunt, a coward who can only play to his strength; I have to play PES11 to prove something to you....

Yet, why do you have nothing to prove to me? Who decided that I needed to prove myself to you? Why don't you prove to me that you can play PES10?

Since when did you became the authority in here?

That's the part where the word COWARD seems out of place, considering that you are a disrespectful cunt who can only play in his comfort zone: PES11.

In order to demand respect, you must also show respect, and above all, you must earn your respect: you have not shown any respect towards myself and yet you act like I should respect you; I say, fuck that and fuck you, fucking hypocrite.

If I play PES11 against you, it is only fair play, that you play PES10 against me.... and show me if you actually knew how to play PES10 properly: or would that be unfair?

Getting your ass kicked in PES10? What would that prove? That you are above PES10? Or that PES10 requires too much skill for you to handle?

This is why arguing with your opinion is so blatantly stupid; you are dumb and coward enough, to demand me to prove why I do not agree with your opinion by beating you at the game that you play everyday?

First of all, why do I need to prove anything to you?

Secondly, by beating you at your comfort zone?

Yeah, that's really courageous of you, I am a real coward for walking away from a challenge that I suggested; laughing my ass off.

Dude, you are fucking dumb, the more you write, the dumber you sound. But I tell you what, I will play PES11 with you, and from that you draw your own opinion.

And that will be the end of this very stupid debate that you have created by forcing your opinion upon people who don't agree with you.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
Dude, you write the word "bitch" and "simpleton" in a PES forum; I do not think you are in a position to judge on what is embarrassing or not?

The only embarrassing thing I have done, as far as I'm concerned, is lowering myself to your level: your insults produce more insults, I should have never responded to your embarrassing insults.

That's the only thing; other than that, you have proved nothing, other than what was already obvious: the fact that you are a dumb and obnoxious cunt.

lol you decry about insults yet every post you make is filled with them as you can't help being a nonsensical hypocrite

Cherry picking? Not really, just reaffirming the same stance I always had: I have an opinion and I have an argument, some people are paying all the attention to my opinion, and zero attention to the actual argument.

Your opinions make up an argument and if your opinion is weak then so is your argument. You have a tendency to avoid posts that are in direct response to your points, that you fail to back up.

My argument has nothing to do with playing the game, playing the game against you would not prove anything, since my argument states that I do not think the skills required in PES11 are skills to be taken seriously.

Thats why your arguments are worthless because you never had the time to cultivate a balanced opinion of the game after just three days of owning it. Instead you just regurgitate your views that you had of pes10 from last year and stick tem on pes11 this year. You were shamelessly making judgements about the game just frm the trailer which just proves you just love to hate the game and enjoy being negative because unfortunately thats all you know.

Punishing you on pes11 will prove that I was right, that you couldnt handle the new version because your crap at the game, that's why you threw it away in angry and made it your mission to ruin other gamers positive experience on here with your endless negativity and bitterness.

Difficulty has nothing to do with my argument, I could get my ass handed to me by one of them "hardcore" players, and it would not discredit my argument in any way.

it has everything to do with your argument, because you claim that its too easy for you. So it wouldn't be a problem facing anyone because according to you all you have to do is do a through pass with xavi and you can unlock defenses at will.

I came up with the idea of playing a couple of matches for the sake of actually experiencing what the fuck you are on about, because you talk a lot of shit.

Wow you're a genius for coming up with such an innovative idea such as offering me up a game yet backing out at the same time. Someone give this guy a medal. Konami should hire you.

If you want to play, I can play NOW.

Lets go, my id is shagrath777 what's yours?

You mentioned the word "coward" and yet I was the person who actually came up with the idea, since you can't even come up with the initiative yourself.

You know I was going to offer up the challenge so its a moot point. However you didn't think I would take you up on it as clearly you were just bluffing and shitted in your pants when I replied to your offer.

You are not in a position to call me a coward, since I do not own PES11 nor even play PES11, and yet you play it and like it; therefore, I have a clear disadvantage and yet I came up with the idea.

Oh here we go, get the excuses and the ''poor me'' routine in already.

The bottom line is, you are a disrespectful cunt, a coward who can only play to his strength; I have to play PES11 to prove something to you....

Yet, why do you have nothing to prove to me? Who decided that I needed to prove myself to you? Why don't you prove to me that you can play PES10?

I'd easily beat you on pes10 sadly online mode is unplayable due to the excessive lag. Now that is a game for morons who like to exploit and abuse a video game. It's no wonder it's your preference

Since when did you became the authority in here?

I became authority from the day I was born and it was clear my intelligence was above your own and many of the simplistic members here who struggle to write coherently

That's the part where the word COWARD seems out of place, considering that you are a disrespectful cunt who can only play in his comfort zone: PES11.

In order to demand respect, you must also show respect, and above all, you must earn your respect: you have not shown any respect towards myself and yet you act like I should respect you; I say, fuck that and fuck you, fucking hypocrite.

Once I punish you over a few games on pes11 you will respect me kid

If I play PES11 against you, it is only fair play, that you play PES10 against me.... and show me if you actually knew how to play PES10 properly: or would that be unfair?

That wouldn't be fair considering how much lag is on pes10 online so much that you are un able to control the players due to the button delay.

This is why arguing with your opinion is so blatantly stupid; you are dumb and coward enough, to demand me to prove why I do not agree with your opinion by beating you at the game that you play everyday?

Aww poor you that I play the game more often because you gave up after three days because you couldn't hack it. Don't you have any shame or dignity. At least try and win before coming out with the endless defeatist attitude and lame ass excuses.

First of all, why do I need to prove anything to you?

Because you run your mouth pretending that you know everything about the game and how evolved and great you are at the game, yet when anyone scrutinises your points they'll notice it's full of contradiction and stupidity

Secondly, by beating you at your comfort zone?

If you can beat me it will show that you are capable of playing the game and that you didnt give up on it simply due to the fact you are just shit at it and can't handle that it's a game made for a challenge instead of whining kids who just want predictable scripted goals and 10 nil scoreline abuse.

Yeah, that's really courageous of you, I am a real coward for walking away from a challenge that I suggested; laughing my ass off.

You are a coward who just talks smack. It just shows you were bluffing when you offered the challenge and didnt have the heart to go through with your intentions.

Dude, you are fucking dumb, the more you write, the dumber you sound. But I tell you what, I will play PES11 with you, and from that you draw your own opinion.

Well stop the shit and provide your gamer tag id.

And that will be the end of this very stupid debate that you have created by forcing your opinion upon people who don't agree with you.

Fuck off, you force your opinions on everyone on this forum that's why so many people are tired of your long drawn out posts that equate to nothing but endless drivel.
 

LOL-ness

Registered User
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s4oDBszE_...wPV2SD-qk/s1600-h/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

Calm down, people. It's one thing to exchange opinions on a subject, but to argue on it over the Internet? You're just making yourself look like a dunce to other lurkers (your constant belittling of people who disagree with your opinion also fits the image).

Meanwhile, why don't you take a break from hammering essay after essay in this forum and try the PC version of PES 2011, Amateur? There's this patch floating around in this forum that reportedly disables all scripting present in PES 2011 (Placebo effect or not, it should be worth a try), perhaps it'll change your opinion of the game.
 
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klashman

Registered User
My argument has nothing to do with playing the game,

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE POSTING ESSAYS IF IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GAME?


:D

What a lunatic!

playing the game against you would not prove anything, since my argument states that I do not think the skills required in PES11 are skills to be taken seriously.

:eek:rly: :lmao:

First it's i don't have the game

Now you say it's because PES dosen't require skill and should be taken seriously.

Last time i checked PES was a video game, not a serious real life match.

What you fail to understand is if you believe PES 2011 isn't to be taken seriously then what harm would playing vs Football777 be? If you win or lose will it matter, i mean your a 'skilled gamer' so you should win right?:huh: .

Now you hopefully understand how much you completely contradict yourself :)
 

u1tradt

Registered User
Amateur, if you're on 360 then let me know I want to play you as well. I want to see what this 'skill' is all about.
 

Amateur

Registered User

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE POSTING ESSAYS IF IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GAME?


What a lunatic!

If you are against war, would your argument have anything to do with starting a war or manufacturing nuclear weapons?

My argument is about the game, obviously, but cannot be settled nor understood by playing the game due to obvious reasons.

PES11 has nothing to do with football, in order to understand my argument, you need to understand how real football functions.

And there lies your problem, you are judging a football simulation which is played from a wide view perspective without actually understanding how football should be played from a wide view perspective.

Here is my argument: you can cover spaces of over 50 feet of distance by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button; this is in fact a massive restriction.

You can experience that fact by playing the game, but how can you know how massive this restriction is by simply playing PES11?

Playing the game will not give you any answers, on the contrary, playing the game will limit your mind into thinking about that dumb concept....

Thinking about ideas that fit into such a stupid concept, instead of thinking about the root of the problem responsible for the all the flaws: the functioning of the left analogue stick determines how the game can and will play.

Instead of paying so much attention to details, you should pay more attention to the important facts; and playing PES11 will not expose this flaw, watching real life football and then playing PES11 will expose the flaws.

But that's the difference between you and I, you are here insulting me for no reason, I am here informing you without the necessity of childish insults.

Watching real life football has a lot more to do with my argument, playing the video game is secondary.

You can approve or discredit the credibility of my argument by playing the video game, but if you do not even understand football, then you will not even notice the many restrictions of PES11.

Which is why, I said that my argument has nothing to do with playing PES11, because PES11 is a simulation game; you might want to actually understand Football, before judging on how good PES11 or FIFA11 are; compare it with the thing it is supposed to simulate.



First it's i don't have the game

Now you say it's because PES dosen't require skill and should be taken seriously.

Last time i checked PES was a video game, not a serious real life match.

What you fail to understand is if you believe PES 2011 isn't to be taken seriously then what harm would playing vs Football777 be? If you win or lose will it matter, i mean your a 'skilled gamer' so you should win right?:huh: .

Now you hopefully understand how much you completely contradict yourself :)

Bomber Man, video game, can be taken seriously; you can bet money on it.... knowing that the outcome will be determined by your skill, and not by the whim of a computer.

Super Smash Brothers, video game, can be taken seriously; you can bet money on it.... knowing that the outcome will be determined by your skill, and not by the whim of a computer.

Pro Evolution Soccer 2011, video game, cannot be taken seriously; the computer interferes with everything, the computer dictates the script, the game is automatic and scripted, it lacks the components of a good video game.

I don't follow you. So what if PES is a video game, how can you justify the fact that PES11 is a dumb video game? The PS3 Console can handle a far more clever and structured video game.

I am not worried about loosing or winning in a game that I know is poorly designed. My point was very simple and very clear, it has absolutely nothing to do with worry.

It has a lot to do with the sluggish and unresponsive and automatic and imprecise tackling system, and defensive system; where you cannot measure the direction of the tackle nor the distance of the tackle, you cannot affect the direction in which you tackle without affecting the direction in which you run without the ball.

It also has a lot do with the outdated dribbling system, where it is impossible to affect the direction in which you dribble with the ball without affecting the direction in which you run with the ball: repetitive, predictable, restrictive, unavoidable, automatic, outdated, etc.

It barely requires any skills and it barely has any variations, it is automatic and restrictive, you do not use the skills, the skills work automatically: making it harder to dribble with Lio Messi, making it harder to run past a defender -- does not changes the fact that the STATS which are attached to the left analogue stick work automatically because the left analogue stick functions the same way it functioned 12 years ago.

A simple example to explain this briefly, would be to compare the right analogue stick dribbling tricks of PES11 and FIFA11.

Any noob can use the right analogue stick dribbling tricks of PES11; on the other hand, the right analogue stick dribbling tricks in FIFA11 require more skills and more precision from the user.

I am not saying that the FIFA11 system is that much better, but it is more difficult to use, and yet less systematic and more organic than the L1 + right analogue stick procedure that PES11 requires.

With that said, the FIFA11 dribbling tricks are also restricted by how the left analogue stick functions, but it requires more skills from the user.

A skillful gamer would play FIFA11 and use the dribbling tricks, and then play PES11 and use the dribbling tricks, and PES11 would feel more automatic; mind you that both systems are automatic due to how the left analogue stick functions, it's just that the execution of PES11 feels even more automatic than the FIFA11 dribbling gimmicks.

Anyways, I disagree with you, I have not contradicted myself; my argument is fairly simple, and my opinion is also quite simple.
 

edu madrid

Registered User
Pes is always better

Pes 2011 is better than Fifa11 because PES 2011 is a dynamic game while Fifa is a static game. The Fifa's players are nailed in the floor while In the pes 2011 the players are always moving in dynamic movements where The Defensors cover the Side backs when they go to attack. the drible became amazing possibilities to do.
I can do a counterat in high speed using my intelligence. I out my team in a defensive mode using my controll so when my opponent attacks I can steal the ball and go in speed using my attackers. I play like in the Priemier League and I get sucess. I can run like Wallcot or Messi using RT and anybody catches me but it's not easy to do We need to know that We must change the angulo and speed run. Messi runs alot when he starts from side to center like in a real life... so We need observe all detais to have a great sucess in PES Game. It's cool to do because after We may create a lot of things while in fifa We just need run and shoot... there are a lot of possibilties in PES2011 since several strategies and formations until style of play diferent and amazing... We need to play and enjoy it. I played Fifa 11 and I felt a great damage but playing PES11, I feel happy and in a reall game!!!
 

LOL-ness

Registered User
Amateur, you probably have not taken into account how much time developers need to come up with a new engine. Because PES is an annually renewed titled as opposed to DLC-centric or generation-centric titles, Konami is probably forced, due to time constrains, to make do with an old engine and just pile improvements onto it and hope it'll stay competitive.

Perhaps the easiest thing to do is for Sony to improve their controllers instead? To my knowledge, the PS3 analogue stick doesn't seem to do acceleration based on how fast and how far you move the stick, so if Sony were to improve on that, Konami may be able to pick up on that improvement and make it so that players move according to how fast and how far the player moves the stick?
 

Avelives

Registered User
Perhaps the easiest thing to do is for Sony to improve their controllers instead? To my knowledge, the PS3 analogue stick doesn't seem to do acceleration based on how fast and how far you move the stick, so if Sony were to improve on that, Konami may be able to pick up on that improvement and make it so that players move according to how fast and how far the player moves the stick?

Everything else aside you do realise thats utter crap dont you?

Even the PS2 analogues did that, in fact the bloody Sega Dreamcast analogue sticks did that. Thats kinda the point of them.

Fact is Konami are lazy and are stuck in their ways, if they need more time just skip next year and come back with an awesome 2012 version which blows people minds. Its not like they are some indy developers who rely on this one title to make money.
 

LOL-ness

Registered User
Everything else aside you do realise thats utter crap dont you?

Even the PS2 analogues did that, in fact the bloody Sega Dreamcast analogue sticks did that. Thats kinda the point of them.

Fact is Konami are lazy and are stuck in their ways, if they need more time just skip next year and come back with an awesome 2012 version which blows people minds. Its not like they are some indy developers who rely on this one title to make money.

I am not a Console gamer, so I did say it's "to my knowledge". Don't bash me for that please. My statement came from what I experienced when occasionally playing on a friend's PS3. Not once have I experienced anything like acceleration when I used the analogue stick, maybe it's just that I am too used to a Mouse + Keyboard setup.
 

Avelives

Registered User
I am not a Console gamer, so I did say it's "to my knowledge". Don't bash me for that please. My statement was from what I experienced when occasionally playing on a friend's PS3. Not once have I experienced anything like acceleration when I used the analogue stick, maybe it's just that I am too used to a Mouse + Keyboard setup.

Ok apologies if it came off as bashing you that wasnt intended, but even back on the PS2 the analogue registered up to 360 degree movement with the ability to accelerate and slow down (a good example of this implemented well in a modern game is GTA4 where you can go from walking to jogging gently and smoothly just with the stick)
The buttons even back then registered 365 different pressure settings...

The fact that to this day devs like Konami still aren't utilising this technology tells its own story. Probably a big reason is that PES still supports regular DPAD movement as do many games and if you start creating fancing effects using the analogue stick it then precludes those who use D-PAD.

Amongst his rather long posts that one of the points Amateur is getting at, that behind all the new stuff the game is still based on an old engine which allows you to play using a regular DPAD and therefor its no wonder the implementation/execution is confused and irregular.

You know an overwhelming sense I get from PES11 is that often the game is fighting with itself, the newer features jostling with the old core game and as the saying goes, football is the loser (Brian)
 
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