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Konami, you have ruined the series.

asbestos

Registered User
I never register on forums, and give feedback about games. Never. But this time I had to say something.

I have played PES since it first came out on the Playstation 1. Never missed one installment.I was a PES "fanboy" since I was 7 or 8. There were some worse and better ones, but PES 2012 is the biggest piece of garbage in the history of the series.

I tried to like this game, and I tried to become good at it. Played tons, and thought I'd become better, but no, that hasnt happened. Why? Because its not my playing, its the game.

I play online, and its all fine and dandy, I win a bunch of matches, lose one or two- everything is fine there.

However the AI, and all matches against it are ridiculous. I always start out on top player. In every PES, and do great. I thought it would be the same here. But no.

You cant score goals from situations that you carefully craft. It seems that all the goals you make are due to chance, and luck. Its usually corners, close Free kicks, or a big mess in which someone puts their leg in and scores. The Triangle (through ball) doesn't work anymore). Dribbling is impossible and players you use always get pushed over and lose the ball (however when the AI attacks its almost impossible to get the ball from a half decent player). I cant even dribble past Rubin Kazan defenders using Robinho FFS.

Defending is garbage. You cant steal balls from even a mediocre dribbler (on top player) and taking it from Messi, Nani or Krasic etc is impossible. I use all the tricks in the book. R2, square, and X, use marking, but nothing works. Your defenders always act like idiots, and often run the opposite direction, or stop marking players when not controlled by you.

Free Kicks. Fun? Yeah. Its a lottery, however sometimes you get a nice rewarding shot straight under the post. But, then the AI gets to shoot, it gets ridiculous. Anything under 30 meters is a goal. I played a game against Man Utd in which Nani (not really a great FK artist) scored a hat trick with 3 free kicks, with basically 3 perfect FLAWLESS shots. The goalkeeper had no chance.


Shooting. Something that was the best part of the series. I remember some of the bombs I used to score with Zidane, Seedorf or Recoba in the older series. The shots felt powerful, looked skillful, and brought great entertainment. However this too is gone. Now shooting feels like kicking a balloon. The ball floats like a plastic bag blown by the wind. They are extremely weak, inaccurate, and unrewarding. The fact that instead of running up to the ball and kicking it when you press shot early, the players decide to fall on the grass and slide doesn't help either.

If you make creating dangerous situations so hard, shouldnt scoring a 1 v 1, or shooting from inside the box easier, and more accurate? I watch football and I see that when a player gets to those positions (and getting there is the challenge) he usually scores with ease. But here I have Ibrahimovic or Robinho getting a good situation once or twice a game (a 20 minute game) and usually wasting it in a idiotic fashion. As I said, I played this game since I was 8, and Im 22 now, and I know how to use all the controls, I know how to chip, or how to dribble the keeper, however in this game all this is useless and doesnt work. The only way you get a goal is through luck or a random cross in the penalty area.

The feints are useless. You cant get past a defender using them. Even shoot+pass which used to be my go to trick doesn't work on keepers or defenders, as they just stand there and wait to take the ball while you attempt to run past them.

The off the ball controls are shit. There is no other way to say this. In older games the players on your team used to support you, try to keep up with the action , and get into good positions. Here they don't. They act like idiots who don't want to be there. The off the ball controls make the guy run forward like a headless chicken,- he doesn't even try to run into a good position, he just runs forward. Its useless during throw ins, and its useless during corners. Its just shit.

Players don't support you during counters. They slowly walk forward, and you end up trying to get past 5 players with 2.


The "grade" system for stats is stupid. Why didn't you keep the old "spider web"? I used to be able to look at that and see if a player was good or not, now I look at a guy and see a bunch of B's and C's, later to find out that he's actually pretty good. I don't want to go through 3 sub screens to see those stats, I want them right in my face.

I am not able to enjoy this game. Its just not fun to me. I tried playing it on Pro and Regular, but its the same. While its easier, its still not fun.

I loved this series, and faithfully got every single game that came out for the Playstation 1, 2 and 3. But this is too much. the series has been going downhill for a long time, and it culminated in this piece of shit.

I used to laugh at FIFA being a game for kids, and I never played it. My friends did the same. Now all of them moved to FIFA, and they say its great. I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to trade my copy in, and get FIFA 12 too.

Konami, you have f#@$ed this series so bad its not even funny. Soon PES will fade into oblivion. Good job.
 

StringerBell

Registered User
 

asbestos

Registered User
I REALLY don't give a fuck what you cunts have to say. You think you are being witty, but you are just retarded.

So fuck off and eat a dick.
 

muscularmatt

Registered User
That's both offensive and untrue. I am REALLY witty. Don't ask me to prove it right now, because I'm tired. But trust me, I'm fucking brilliant.
 

Gato

Cat O' War!!
Everybody is entitled to have a say here. Have some respect for the OT please.
And OT, watch your language please.
 

Makavelian

Registered User
I never register on forums, and give feedback about games. Never. But this time I had to say something.

I have played PES since it first came out on the Playstation 1. Never missed one installment.I was a PES "fanboy" since I was 7 or 8. There were some worse and better ones, but PES 2012 is the biggest piece of garbage in the history of the series.

I tried to like this game, and I tried to become good at it. Played tons, and thought I'd become better, but no, that hasnt happened. Why? Because its not my playing, its the game.

I play online, and its all fine and dandy, I win a bunch of matches, lose one or two- everything is fine there.

However the AI, and all matches against it are ridiculous. I always start out on top player. In every PES, and do great. I thought it would be the same here. But no.

You cant score goals from situations that you carefully craft. It seems that all the goals you make are due to chance, and luck. Its usually corners, close Free kicks, or a big mess in which someone puts their leg in and scores. The Triangle (through ball) doesn't work anymore). Dribbling is impossible and players you use always get pushed over and lose the ball (however when the AI attacks its almost impossible to get the ball from a half decent player). I cant even dribble past Rubin Kazan defenders using Robinho FFS.

Defending is garbage. You cant steal balls from even a mediocre dribbler (on top player) and taking it from Messi, Nani or Krasic etc is impossible. I use all the tricks in the book. R2, square, and X, use marking, but nothing works. Your defenders always act like idiots, and often run the opposite direction, or stop marking players when not controlled by you.

Free Kicks. Fun? Yeah. Its a lottery, however sometimes you get a nice rewarding shot straight under the post. But, then the AI gets to shoot, it gets ridiculous. Anything under 30 meters is a goal. I played a game against Man Utd in which Nani (not really a great FK artist) scored a hat trick with 3 free kicks, with basically 3 perfect FLAWLESS shots. The goalkeeper had no chance.


Shooting. Something that was the best part of the series. I remember some of the bombs I used to score with Zidane, Seedorf or Recoba in the older series. The shots felt powerful, looked skillful, and brought great entertainment. However this too is gone. Now shooting feels like kicking a balloon. The ball floats like a plastic bag blown by the wind. They are extremely weak, inaccurate, and unrewarding. The fact that instead of running up to the ball and kicking it when you press shot early, the players decide to fall on the grass and slide doesn't help either.

If you make creating dangerous situations so hard, shouldnt scoring a 1 v 1, or shooting from inside the box easier, and more accurate? I watch football and I see that when a player gets to those positions (and getting there is the challenge) he usually scores with ease. But here I have Ibrahimovic or Robinho getting a good situation once or twice a game (a 20 minute game) and usually wasting it in a idiotic fashion. As I said, I played this game since I was 8, and Im 22 now, and I know how to use all the controls, I know how to chip, or how to dribble the keeper, however in this game all this is useless and doesnt work. The only way you get a goal is through luck or a random cross in the penalty area.

The feints are useless. You cant get past a defender using them. Even shoot+pass which used to be my go to trick doesn't work on keepers or defenders, as they just stand there and wait to take the ball while you attempt to run past them.

The off the ball controls are shit. There is no other way to say this. In older games the players on your team used to support you, try to keep up with the action , and get into good positions. Here they don't. They act like idiots who don't want to be there. The off the ball controls make the guy run forward like a headless chicken,- he doesn't even try to run into a good position, he just runs forward. Its useless during throw ins, and its useless during corners. Its just shit.

Players don't support you during counters. They slowly walk forward, and you end up trying to get past 5 players with 2.


The "grade" system for stats is stupid. Why didn't you keep the old "spider web"? I used to be able to look at that and see if a player was good or not, now I look at a guy and see a bunch of B's and C's, later to find out that he's actually pretty good. I don't want to go through 3 sub screens to see those stats, I want them right in my face.

I am not able to enjoy this game. Its just not fun to me. I tried playing it on Pro and Regular, but its the same. While its easier, its still not fun.

I loved this series, and faithfully got every single game that came out for the Playstation 1, 2 and 3. But this is too much. the series has been going downhill for a long time, and it culminated in this piece of shit.

I used to laugh at FIFA being a game for kids, and I never played it. My friends did the same. Now all of them moved to FIFA, and they say its great. I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to trade my copy in, and get FIFA 12 too.

Konami, you have f#@$ed this series so bad its not even funny. Soon PES will fade into oblivion. Good job.
Good post.
Ignore the faggots.
 

asbestos

Registered User
That's both offensive and untrue. I am REALLY witty. Don't ask me to prove it right now, because I'm tired. But trust me, I'm fucking brilliant.

You are a simple forum douche.

You are not clever or witty. You are just an idiot. If you don't have nothing to contribute, go somewhere else, and don't leave a bunch of that "lol didn't read" bullshit. That's childish.

And this is posted in the konami feedback zone, so I truly dont give a fuck if some random cunt reads my post or not. This is intended for konami, not for you.
 

Bammers05

Registered User
I think it was just banter, asbestos. Don't take it the wrong way. Watch your language though - we allow swearing, but don't be too aggressive with it. I don't want to have to give you a 'cooling-off period'.

I am REALLY witty. Don't ask me to prove it right now, because I'm tired. But trust me, I'm fucking brilliant.

I hope you were kidding when you said that, Matthew, because, if not, I may just have to book you :folarm:
 

pesBIGfan

Registered User
@asbestos All you say it's true!! I'am big pes fan like u from the start this game. Now I'am disappointed like u, can't play pes like before, passes is strange, goals what I scored is absurd...defend from corner kicks is impossible mission. Not enjoying anymore in game :/
 

fick

Registered User
good post asbestos, ignore the kids. sad that the moderators dont warn them

Moderators cannot read every post and thread, hence the "report post" button. If you have an issue please use it. Complaining in a post some time after the incident really doesn't help.

On a side note, I agree with you about the fools who initially responded. Their actions have been noted and are inappropriate for this section of the forums.
 

Bammers05

Registered User
Agreed, fick. That kind of behaviour is unnaceptable for this area of the forum and we will be monitoring the posts of the perpetrators, in case of any future offences. If we need to hand out bans to those involved, we will not shirk our rights to do so.
 

ausername

New Member
I agree, the series is ruined. Used to be great, I've bought every game for about 6 years running. Since they added in more and more AI to try to be clever, the more annoying it's got.

The way players lock onto a path when you do a through ball and you can't control them is rediculous. The way it randomly does a slide tackle whe you wanted it to do a long ball with O (PS3) is embarrising. The way you lose control over the player you're meant to be controlling or they don't follow what buttons you're pressing is mental. When you beautifully craft out an amazing attack and then pass it to the striker who misses the ball completely is unbelievable. The way headers are complete luck. There's so many bugs with it, they need to fix these before adding anything new to it. They need to give full control back to the player and take out all the silly AI. And I know you can reduce how much the AI helps you, but you rely on it for some things so cannot just turn that off. Maybe unticking certain features of the AI would help.

I will be moving to FIFA, even though I've always said it's awful at least you can control your players and they always respond to button presses.
 

Switchfoot

Registered User
sometimes less is more, like we say in germany. i think you are right asbestos! but buying fifa can not be the solution. a week ago i ordered a copy of pes 6, and now im playing it on my good old big ps3. what should i say, you can only move in a few directions, but it is still the best football game there ever was!--gameplay-- konami, if you want to put the thing in the right position, just give us a hd remake of pes 6 with the latest teams...
excuse me for my german english :ninja:
 
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