Lack of Licenses - negative or a positive?

[Blade1889]

I've read in nearly all the reviews (as we do every year) that Konami let themselves down with the lack of licenses. It would obviously be better if there were more licenses but, and this is my point of the thread - would it mean we'd have a far worse and restricted editing mode?

A number of reviews come up with the same crap line of - "I want to play as Everton, not Merseyside Blue."

I personally love the fact that the edit mode allows you to re-name each team and create kits as you like.

I know when I get my copy of PES 2010, after a couple of games in exhibition, the first thing I'm going to do is put some tunes on my Ipod and spend a couple of hours changing all the names, creating the kits for all the Premiership teams, and designating home stadiums to each team.

This is one of my favourite parts of PES!!! and yet EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER has just slated the lack of licenses? Even if people don't enjoy editing (the crazy b*****ds!) they will be able to download a patch to update the teams and kits! It just seems to me that some reviewers don't even realise one of the best parts of the game (the edit mode) is even there?

Forza motorsport 3 has received loads of praise for a great edit and custmisation mode and yet no reveiwer ever mentions Konami's in a positive way.

Anyway, just wondered if anyone else felt the same way about the edit mode and actually saw the lack of licenses as a chance to put your own stamp on the game?

 

[2GunsUp]

Its can be seen as a positive or a negative for example fifa edit mode is rubbish there is nothign to edit but in pro evo the edit mode is the best

 

[twisteddeeds]

thats the problem blade... they nit pick.. nothing really easier to target other than the licences... i'd love to read a review when they say that EA Monopolise :erm: the real test comes next year to see if EA are brave enough to share the licences

 

[S1mon]

I agree with you Blade, lack of licenses leads users toward customising their game more... in a way far more comprehensive than FIFA. However, if rumours are confirmed, then there won't be enough slots for emblems, to create one badge for all of the fake club sides. So its a good thing for the same reasons as always, and a bad thing because Konami are SEEMINGLY too stupid (considering the amount of space on the HD) to accomodate for a greater range of editing possibilities on the current-gen platform.

I also agree with other posters, it is pretty damn ignorant of reviewers to complain about a lack of licenses, when certain ones are impossible for Konami to get, and to be fair, Fifa isn't as squeaky clean with them as is made out: I'm thinking of Italian second divison sides (fair play Konami doesn't have)... but you cant edit their kits. Also, there are plenty of international sides on Fifa that don't have licenses, and certain fake players, whose names you cant change.

 

[manuxinho]

only reason that pro evo is lack of license is ea got the majority of leagues/clubes copyrights,still pro evo a better game...editing makes the game more enjoyable...got fifa 10 after a week of intense gaming...im bored.

 

[skjblades]

Couldnt agree more. If I am honest I would prefer them to put more teams on the game that arent licensed so that their are more to play with! Im Xbox 360 user so unfortunately I had to do my editing from scratch! Last year I created the entire bundesliga however after seeing the set up of the Master League this year I think I will be creating the Championship (well 20 teams) so that I can be part of the English division.

In terms of licenses I think all PES needs is the full Bundesliga and Prem license. Whether EA will allow this is another question

 

[glen the magpie]

i see it as a positive as an editor i love the creating side of the game so the fewer licenses there are the more i get to do. but hey some see it differently.

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[minou3]

I think that, possibly, Konami did it with own purpose. I mean the lack of licenses. They possibly, I do say possibly, have their own patch makers (OF) for the game. Some testers that test if the codes for the games are easily editable, don't you think?

I like it that way. You can chose which patch (or OF) you'd like to use, which make the game the way you want it. Surely, it won't be as if you did your own, but still is awsome! Thanks you patchers like Dido, sorry, I don't know much more as I use his :S

 

[sgmullins]

thats the problem blade... they nit pick.. nothing really easier to target other than the licences... i'd love to read a review when they say that EA Monopolise :erm: the real test comes next year to see if EA are brave enough to share the licences

From what i heard Ea manages to buy the licences before anyone else gets a chance.

 

[shaun7]

Well licences matter for those who don't use edit mode but this year, the edit mode seems to solve all of last years design problems. Great.

 

[iosonocanadese]

FIFA hold exclusive licenses to a lot of teams and leagues as someone said above and I seriously doubt they'll ever let them expire... But I'm pretty disappointed that there aren't more licensed teams. I don't really care about the EPL sides at all but I was hoping there would be more licensed teams from the rest of Europe.

It looks to me like Konami are just too cheap to get more licenses.

 

[HZD]

well, didn't Seabass hint there would be suprises last week..? what suprises?
didn't konani market or say that licenses would be "improved"?
for many gamers, it is not the matter of editing (yes, it could be only Germany's license is improved. nothing else.
enjoyable, but yet too time consuming, and now there aren't enough slots too), but buying a game it promised to deliver. with all the editing we have to do, someone before said why should we pay even 25pounds for this game?
the lack of improved faces (as complained by many readers now) is also disappoining, as there are also a lot of generic faces. wow, Konami should really revamp the whole series for next year. i just hope these bad reviews of PES 2010 are wrong and that the gameplay and graphics are too underrated by them. :unsure:

 

[stottmeister]

as much as i moan about the amount of editing required to complete your game i still do it, and for the most part i love doing it. maybe completing stats for new players can be tedious but the kits and badges i love doing.

as for licences, i can honestly say i never use a licenced team in ML which is by far my favorite game mode. i prefer to use a side which i can give a new kit after a season or two, look at the teams history of strips and even create a retro kit much as spurs did on our 125th anniversary.

i also like to do this for the other league sides now and then, even though this means the exhibition mode will then have strange kits when you play a friendly.

 

[Gun_Runner]

how can people actually be defending having hardly any licenses. Some of the things I'm reading are really making me feel sorry for you lot, juat shows you are willing to defend PES no matter what.

Fair enough PES has a better edit mode, I don't deny that. But if they had all the licenses you wouldn't need a kit editor or team name editor would you?

 

[Blade1889]

how can people actually be defending having hardly any licenses. Some of the things I'm reading are really making me feel sorry for you lot, juat shows you are willing to defend PES no matter what.

Fair enough PES has a better edit mode, I don't deny that. But if they had all the licenses you wouldn't need a kit editor or team name editor would you?

My point was that I enjoy editing and creating kits. PES's edit mode allows you to do this and is very good, yet it never gets mentioned in reviews. Yet one of the major positive points from the Forza 3 reviews I have read is it has a great edit mode!!

 

[shaun7]

how can people actually be defending having hardly any licenses. Some of the things I'm reading are really making me feel sorry for you lot, juat shows you are willing to defend PES no matter what.

Fair enough PES has a better edit mode, I don't deny that. But if they had all the licenses you wouldn't need a kit editor or team name editor would you?

Well it has some truth in it.
But I cannot fully agree either because we know that certain licenses can't be in Konami's hands right now.
But an edit mode is really important for most games because it makes the game's life span longer. You know, faces, kits, updating player's hairstyles..... etc....

 

[S1mon]

Well licences matter for those who don't use edit mode but this year, the edit mode seems to solve all of last years design problems. Great.

I'm afraid it doesn't... you cannot change the nationalities of players in other leagues C, plus there are not enough spaces for emblems to fully edit all of the unlicensed club sides.

 

[shaun7]

^How do we know of space for emblems???
Anyway, if it's like last year, I am happy enough and editing nationalities is not such a big deal. I know it's for bundesliga mostly. But can't you just create new players and put them in that team? That way the nationality will be editable.

 

[skjblades]

how can people actually be defending having hardly any licenses. Some of the things I'm reading are really making me feel sorry for you lot, juat shows you are willing to defend PES no matter what.

Fair enough PES has a better edit mode, I don't deny that. But if they had all the licenses you wouldn't need a kit editor or team name editor would you?

Licenses are good to have, but I would rather have more teams unlicensed than less teams fully licensed and a great editing mode. And its nothing to do with defending PES.

EA hold the cards, they obviously got in with the licenses before Konami. I do remember on the first PES that no teams were licensed, so to be honest its a great improvement over the past few years!

 

[RN50]

I dont like updating team names and player names but i do like chaging players stats and appearences or just give them a wacky hairstyle.

Like sum1 said just dl and option file with the kits and names and its all sorted only takes around 20mins to do that.