PES 2009 in german magazine

[Rossy Boy]

Here's a scan of a PES 2009 article I found:

To sum it up:

- Improved player responsiveness when passing

- Stronger KI, even on middle difficulty much more difficult than PES 2008

- Improved player models (more polygons) and animations

- Rain has more impact on players and ball than before, players stumble, shoots are incalculable and you have to be prepared for stronger rubbing when passing the ball



They're also talking about a "human-machine-system", which I don't completely understand from the article. They say that in this control variant you're passing and receiving player at once and have to work together with the KI. They go on that this mode works quite well but unfortunately the traditional variant was cancelled from the game....but I have no clue what they mean with "traditional manual variant". Somehow this doesn't read like the "Be a Legend" mode.



Anyway, article sounds positive - but we also had those before PES 2008 came out

Thanks to anselmoso from W.E.N.B

 

[Hunter]

Thanks, maybe the traditional manual variant refers to the manual passing ? It's been announced that this style has changed to make it easier to adapt to, so that's my guess. As instead of clicking down the stick to play the manual pass, you just need to push it in the direction of the player you want to pass to.

Like the sound of the weather playing a much greater impact on the match and the ball physics. Although, I do want a snow pitch back, they were decent.

 

[milly_willy]

Sounds good.

 

[JohnBarnes?]

Forgive me for asking this but what is KI?

 

[Rossy Boy]

Im guessing AI.

 

[Sho]

Sounds good for sure but don't say these things every year.

 

[red]

Thanks, maybe the traditional manual variant refers to the manual passing ? It's been announced that this style has changed to make it easier to adapt to, so that's my guess. As instead of clicking down the stick to play the manual pass, you just need to push it in the direction of the player you want to pass to.

You can do this in 2008 via button config menu so I don't think that this is what it means, but I don't have a clue as to what it means unless it is something to do with what was discussed on the WENB podcast when they was talking about Konami moving to more of manual passing system.
again not sure what this means but I thought it was something like depressing x until you thought the power was right and not aided by the CPU.

Maybe not....read below

 

[red]

I'll do you all a favor and post the translation of the german mag by another fella found on another forum:
"just found that one on a german forum... it is a scan from the german magazine play3
my short summary:
- first of all no new screens
- the guys from the mag were specially invited by konami to test the version
- they played a very early version of the game but it run really smooth
- even at this early version all seemed very finshed (cleaned up)
- the players response improved (improved ball controll(handling), ability to pass really quick
- AI imrpoved alot more agressive and better position play ("they played at normal and found the AI "scary" in a good way )
- the AI improved alot in defensive play
- new manual pass control... "if your team is in control of the ball
the AI is in position of the player with the ball... but as soon as you
press L1 you can control the player with the ball" nice
- "the new pass system only sound complicated in the first way it is really easy to adapt"
- the controll setting manual is replaced by the new control system, automatic and half automatic is still there
- the player models look even better... the polygon figure has increased
- a few new animations the author mentioned ("players wave with there
hands to ask for the ball, you can see players stumble aside, players
slide longer on wet grass
- players reaction in rain changed alot... balls are hard to control,
shoots getting more harder to catch for the goalies, it is harder to
pass correctly
- a new mode which allows you to use your saved file online
- the author from the magazines is not allowed to tell more about the new mode
short summary of the author:
- in terms of gameplay he can sure tell PES 2009 beats Fifa 09
- technically PES 2009 feeled really well done not like the beta
version PES 2008 but he only got the changes to test the offline modus
sounds all good so far..."

Enjoy.

PS Somebody else posted this on another site!

 

[Lorenzinho]

Sounds relatively promising, I suppose. Fingers crossed.

 

[S-D-P]

glad to hear that the defensive AI has improved as there was no challenge to pes 08. The gameplay does sound very promising

 

[Lami]

I'll do you all a favor and post the translation of the german mag by another fella found on another forum:
"just found that one on a german forum... it is a scan from the german magazine play3
my short summary:
- first of all no new screens
- the guys from the mag were specially invited by konami to test the version
- they played a very early version of the game but it run really smooth
- even at this early version all seemed very finshed (cleaned up)
- the players response improved (improved ball controll(handling), ability to pass really quick
- AI imrpoved alot more agressive and better position play ("they played at normal and found the AI "scary" in a good way )
- the AI improved alot in defensive play
- new manual pass control... "if your team is in control of the ball
the AI is in position of the player with the ball... but as soon as you
press L1 you can control the player with the ball" nice
- "the new pass system only sound complicated in the first way it is really easy to adapt"
- the controll setting manual is replaced by the new control system, automatic and half automatic is still there
- the player models look even better... the polygon figure has increased
- a few new animations the author mentioned ("players wave with there
hands to ask for the ball, you can see players stumble aside, players
slide longer on wet grass
- players reaction in rain changed alot... balls are hard to control,
shoots getting more harder to catch for the goalies, it is harder to
pass correctly
- a new mode which allows you to use your saved file online
- the author from the magazines is not allowed to tell more about the new mode
short summary of the author:
- in terms of gameplay he can sure tell PES 2009 beats Fifa 09
- technically PES 2009 feeled really well done not like the beta
version PES 2008 but he only got the changes to test the offline modus
sounds all good so far..."

Enjoy.

PS Somebody else posted this on another site!

 

[red]

It might have been you good Sir!

 

[PacMan]

Nice, nice. The diminished control in rainy conditions could easily be overdone, though, but I hope that's not the case.

I don't know if this game will be excellent, but I'm pretty sure it'll be a good pes. I'd like to see lots of tiny details. PES was always light years ahead of other football titles in recreating the nuances of real-life football. That's part of what made it so special, and EA have taken note of this. I hear in FIFA 09 players complain to team mates over bad passes and even swear at each other when they've received a particularly tough tackle, all while play goes on. Hope Konami get back on track with that, as it really immerses you in the game!

 

[shaun7]

Now I really can't wait to see a gameplay movie. It sounds awesome.

 

[Lami]

The full translation of the article. Credit goes to anselmoso from WENB:

Hey guys,

I can't edit the 1st post in my previous thread but many of you guys only seem to read the first post - so I thought I'd be good to open up a new thread with the whole translation of the article:

Pro Evolution Soccer 2009
King Soccer rules the PS3:
can Konami win the title again?



The virtual football season '09 is opened. After EA already gave the starting shot with Fifa 09, Konami invited us into their holy halls as well. Our mission: Exclusively laying hands on PES 2009 and report on it in our magazine. We didn't need to be asked twice and can now reveal to you how last year's champion starts into the new season.



New year, new luck

While EA is directing FIFA in the right direction year after year, Konami has already been on the right path for a long time: No other game simulates germany's no 1 sport as realistically as the PES franchise. But in the past year they tripped themselves up with PES 2008: Due to an immature presentation they gave the competitor the possibility to reduce the distance. But with PES 2009 the biggest japanese publisher apparently has learned its lesson: although we were playing a very early version, the events on the green grass proceeded as soft as butter and already left very good impressions. How does the Konami-kick play?



AI-cleverness

On the first look it seems as if not much has changed, but we looked closer: the players now react faster to your orders and have improved in controlling and handling the ball. In previous PES installations the players sometimes reacted delayed in time, so that for example a pass was performed only seconds later and hence went into touch. In PES 2009 the AI recognizes when you want to play a pass and either passes the ball directly or not at all. The AI seems to have trained a lot in the last months anyway. Positional play and aggressiveness on normal difficulty are already shockingly well developed. The CPU constricts you in your own half and closes up empty rooms so well that you have to find the gap in handball-manner. Only too well that you can use the new AI-cleverness for own benefit thanks to the new manual controls.



Human-Machine-System

In this new control variant you are the passing and receiving player
at the same time and have to work with the AI. When your team has the
ball the AI is controlling the ball until you push L1. Then you control
the player with the ball and play the intelligent pass to the CPU which
then only has to put the bullet into the net and you take the lead.
Alternatively you can let the AI serve you: run into free space and
wait for the throughpass of your AI controlled teammate. The manual control only sounds complicated in theory - on the grass
human and machine harmonize surprisingly well. Unfortunatelly the
traditional manual control was cancelled for this variant. Apart from that you only have the choice between automatic and half-automatic control.



Technically versed

As mentioned above, PES 2009 already cuts a fine figure. The game has also advanced graphically: players look slightly better than last year thanks to higher polygon count and also learned some new animations. They now demand the ball with wild gesticulations, stumble to the ground apart from the events and when it's raining they slide especially long on the grass. Rainy weather has a deep impact on your players anyway: even your star-players make unfamiliar misplays, shots race even more unpredictable towards the keeper and when passing you have to calculate on higher rubbing.

The known Master League and Cup modes are still in PES 2009. Unfortunately we can make no words about the the new star: a complete new mode which lets your saved data also play against your friends online. Curios soccer-fans should organize themselves some tickets for the Games Convention in Leipzig on the 20th of August and force open the Konami booth - with kind regards from the play3-team!



Opinion

PES 2009 hits Fifa on the break: Certainly the wheel isn't reinvented, but the gameplay has evolved with subtle improvements. Especially the controls aren't as ponderous as last year. Additionally the manual controls absolutely convinced me. The cooperation with the aggressive and clever acting AI is a lot of fun and simulates team-feeling even without other human players. Nevertheless I think it's a pity that the conventional manual controls have been cancelled from the game, at least in this early version we've played. Technically PES 2009 already makes all right and lets you quickly forget last year's immature debut on the PS3. I hope for a similar well working online-mode, cause playfully PES 2009 is already the measure of all things, that's for sure.

Rating tendency: 90%

 

[Magono]

Using your master league teams online is a fantastic function that will be extremely useful. I'm glad they have made it a mode onto itself. It adds some spice creating a team that you can punish people with online.

 

[red]

The manual thing can already be done in PES by using semi-fixed mode and then R2 to request a pass. I guess the AI will have improved to make better passing but please dont try and sell this as a new feature!!!

 

[Lami]

I'm yet to experience this and see how it works. Need a demo now.

 

[ceysin]

The manual thing can already be done in PES by using semi-fixed mode and then R2 to request a pass. I guess the AI will have improved to make better passing but please dont try and sell this as a new feature!!!

No you got it wrong.. is semi mode, when u pass to a mate, the control is gotten by u automaticaly ( even in manual for older PES versions).. Manual & Semi differece comes out on defensive manner..

The thnig that u've talked about is controlling only "ONE player throughout all match.. u can't change the player on the pitch by pressing L1..

so it is a new and evolutionary feature for sure....


No one still talks about camera ANGLES.. that s the most important part for me...

 

[red]

No you got it wrong.. is semi mode, when u pass to a mate, the control is gotten by u automaticaly ( even in manual for older PES versions).. Manual & Semi differece comes out on defensive manner..

The thnig that u've talked about is controlling only "ONE player throughout all match.. u can't change the player on the pitch by pressing L1..

so it is a new and evolutionary feature for sure....


No one still talks about camera ANGLES.. that s the most important part for me...

No mate I am talking about "Semi-Fixed" not semi-auto try it and you will see, keep pushing left when choosing cursor settings