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Pes 2011 worst game in years

muzza798

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Also, unless you start with the default fake players you usually have a ridiculous amount of funds at your disposal. As Stoke City I started with £67m in the kitty, thats just plain ridiculous. I bought Robbie Keane, Krancjar, Di Natale, Miccoli, Galloppa and Wayne Bridge for less than £13m. Thats just too easy. It didn't feel a challenge to buy players. With the PES shop perk of better ML scout you'd probably have Messi and Ronaldo in your team within a couple of seasons.

Nah I think the budgets are spot on. With Madrid I started with 200mil which seemed like a lot but after 1 season my teams wages were £140mil + coaches etc. I had to sell a lot of my deadwood just to balence the books. Twas annoying yet realistic and fun.
 

Sminky

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Nah I think the budgets are spot on. With Madrid I started with 200mil which seemed like a lot but after 1 season my teams wages were £140mil + coaches etc. I had to sell a lot of my deadwood just to balence the books. Twas annoying yet realistic and fun.

Possibly ... but I don't want to play as Real Madrid or Inter as its too easy. Nothing more satisfying than taking an average team and gradually building them up.

Actually and this is going off topic bearing in my this is about a computer game, Real Madrid wouldn't have a budget of £200m as their money is tied up in image rights, global tv deals and loans from Spanish banks. Like I said, a bit off topic!
 

bunnywhi7e

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Oh be quiet, if you don't like the thread go and praise PES on another thread.

If I or any other huge fan of PES wants to complain about PES2011 after spending £40 on it we will. Its called having an opinion of your own.

I don't need anyone to help me formulate an opinion. So if you like PES, well done, good for you. Go post it somewhere else.

Hey twat, you are aware that this is a PES forum are you. I think retards like you belong in EA forums...

Dieci, you disappoint me man. How can you say PES10 had better gameplay? Remember all those cutbacks idiots used online. Guess how many goals Ive conseded with cutbacks ? Big fat 0. That alone is a huge upgrade for me. PES10 is an amateur game compared to PES11. Give it some more time. My passes now are near perfect, still lerning crosses and headers are deadly.
 

DIECI

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Hey twat, you are aware that this is a PES forum are you. I think retards like you belong in EA forums...

Dieci, you disappoint me man. How can you say PES10 had better gameplay? Remember all those cutbacks idiots used online. Guess how many goals Ive conseded with cutbacks ? Big fat 0. That alone is a huge upgrade for me. PES10 is an amateur game compared to PES11. Give it some more time. My passes now are near perfect, still lerning crosses and headers are deadly.

If only I could get online other than quickmatch I would show you some nice PES11 style cutback goals :naughty: You could still do them, the thing is that most ppl online don't know how to shoot yet!
 

klashman

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Without the STRATEGIES, PES11 is a good video game, for me it is the best PES to date in terms of dribbling with the ball and scoring goals.

However, when I consider the STRATEGIES, PES11 is one of the worst video games I have ever played: the STRATEGIES are completely automatic, things that you could do in PES10 are impossible to do in PES11 because the off-the-ball movement is entirely out of your hands.

In PES10, I could manually control the ball carrier with the left analogue stick, whilst at the same time, control the movement of another individual with the L2 STRATEGIES; this offered a very substantial and addictive hook to the game, one that I had never experienced in any other Football Sim: I could dictate my own script on-the-fly, I could dictate the passing angles, I could control two individuals at the same time, and it was easy and intuitive, etc.

With PES11, Konami simplified things, you can no longer dictate the movement of another individual with the STRATEGIES, you can only control the ball carrier, pass the ball and tap the R2 button, and that's about it; the game is very insubstantial and automatic in the most important area.

PES10 was more substantial than PES11 in terms of football, PES10 had a very substantial and addictive hook hidden underneath all the robotic animations; PES11 is just a shallow game that feels good and looks good, but has absolutely no substance where it matters the most.

PES11 would have been a brilliant game, had Konami elaborated on the thing that PES10 actually did right, and mixed that with the animations and passing system of PES11; but unfortunately, PES11 is just a technical game, cheap thrills and spills with no substance where it matters the most, it has very little to do with Football.

PES11 feels a lot like FIFA09 in that there is no build-up play, every attack feels and flows like a counter attack; passing the ball feels very ping pong, you tap the passing button and the next thing you know..... you are in the final third of the pitch.

I have played the game, I have enjoyed the game, but it lacks a certain hook: I cannot dictate my own script, I am forced to follow random opportunities as dictated by the COM.

After experiencing the difference of dictating my own script as opposed to following random orders as dictated by the COM, I think PES11 is very restrictive and automatic in the most important area; at the end of the day, it's just too dumb and insubstantial and automatic: when I reach the final third of the pitch.... I never feel like I had to think in order to get there.

But the truly remarkable thing about PES11, is that despite how dumb and automatic it is in the most important area; it feels good, it looks good, and scoring goals has a certain PES5 feel to it; despite how dumb the game is in terms of Football, the technical side of the game is good enough for you to enjoy the game.

I really like how it feels, I like to score goals, and I like how it looks; but it all boils down to the fact that, when I'm looking for a substantial feature that has something to do with Football, the game fails to provide me with the substantial hook that I had back in PES10.

In addition, the on-the-ball system does not clicks in with the new passing system, it makes the game too easy; it feels and plays like the passing system is too smart and advanced for the actual video game.

That's the thing that stands out the most for me, regarding PES11, that the game actually feels and plays like the passing system is too smart and advanced for the FAMICOM FOUNDATION that is hidden underneath all the motion capture and graphics.

PES11 has no substance, but it feels good; PES11 is enough to give you a taste, of how good the game could be, if it achieved the correct balance between substance and feel.

All things considered, PES11 has massive potential... if Konami finally replaces the FAMICOM FOUNDATION.... with something that actually fits in with the new passing system; and makes the game feel advanced as a complete package, instead of feeling incomplete due to the FACT that the passing system is more clever and more advanced than the FAMICOM FOUNDATION that supports it.

If Konami changes how the left analogue stick works, simplifies and makes better use of the accessible buttons, massively improves how the off-the-ball movement works, replaces the old defensive system: PES11 has massive potential.

But in all honestly, I do not think Konami will produce a clever and substantial video game; because it is abundantly clear, that Konami has replaced the substantial with cheap thrills and spills... and I don't see them changing any time soon.

Hi, again another ridiculous post! Basically you don’t get this game at all. The problem is you, not the game and your analogies are laughable! You haven’t understood how this game works tactically at all. Just moaned about not being an instant expert with it!
The only thing we agree on that PES 2010 was a good game with loads of depth under the general broken and on rails movement!
You need to stop bitchin, get off your high horse of your gaming ability and vision for a game being prefect which it isn’t its just lob sided in terms of tactics! Tactics are highly important and is a factor as big as animations etc.. in terms of football games! Bt this game gets them right. BIG time! It’s surprising a step up from PES 2010 which was great in terms of this but 2011 moves then on.

The systems are basically the same, just there’s depth and you need to re understand them again. They aren’t much different to PES 2010, just organized different and with the added team management it’s the most tactical game you can buy.

From what I’ve read, if you cut through r the mass of crap you have written your just pissed you don’t understand how tactics on PES 2011 work! The main differences from PES 2011 in terms of tactics from PES 2010 is that you can’t select if a player is defensive balanced or attacking minded. I don’t really mind this because it just enforces that if you have Dani Alves at Right back he’s not going to be as effective defending as to someone C*ntley Cole! N Another difference is you can’t select player traits to be on or off. Which isn’t too bad again! Just enforces you to learn how each player plays which I love!

I do love the team management gameplan, which you haven’t adapted to, just ignored and wined about it not being the same as in 2010! There’s still a need to the on the fly strategies but it’s MUCH less of a factor with the new system. So without having to tweak the team styles like in 2010 when you go 1-0 up or your go behind your team changes it’s mentality to how you set it up!

So again like I said to the other guy moaning about everything! Learn! The problems you moan about is you not being able to adapt, not the game!

Seriously if you thnk PES 2010 is better than PES 2011 in terms of being a sim? A tactical game and a good one I enjoyed indeed but when I can sprint past the whole Germany team with Martin Petrov with ease and score without any trouble and it’s more stuck on rails than a express train. Well your talking out of your arse!

If only I could get online other than quickmatch I would show you some nice PES11 style cutback goals :naughty: You could still do them, the thing is that most ppl online don't know how to shoot yet!

You can score them in any game but like the idiots in FIFA 08 who tried them is very easy to stop. if your getting beat by cutbacks in PES 2011 it's because your not very good!
 

Sminky

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Hey twat, you are aware that this is a PES forum are you. I think retards like you belong in EA forums...

Dieci, you disappoint me man. How can you say PES10 had better gameplay? Remember all those cutbacks idiots used online. Guess how many goals Ive conseded with cutbacks ? Big fat 0. That alone is a huge upgrade for me. PES10 is an amateur game compared to PES11. Give it some more time. My passes now are near perfect, still lerning crosses and headers are deadly.

Oh please, what a painfully Feeble retort. How old are you? 15?

Engage the dormant matter residing in your skull and read my previous comment properly before typing nonsensical shite.

Its like reasoning with a child but I will make the point again -

If you DON'T like the contents of THIS thread, DON'T bother POSTING in it!
 

Sminky

Registered User
Hi, again another ridiculous post! Basically you don’t get this game at all. The problem is you, not the game and your analogies are laughable! You haven’t understood how this game works tactically at all. Just moaned about not being an instant expert with it!
The only thing we agree on that PES 2010 was a good game with loads of depth under the general broken and on rails movement!
You need to stop bitchin, get off your high horse of your gaming ability and vision for a game being prefect which it isn’t its just lob sided in terms of tactics! Tactics are highly important and is a factor as big as animations etc.. in terms of football games! Bt this game gets them right. BIG time! It’s surprising a step up from PES 2010 which was great in terms of this but 2011 moves then on.

The systems are basically the same, just there’s depth and you need to re understand them again. They aren’t much different to PES 2010, just organized different and with the added team management it’s the most tactical game you can buy.

From what I’ve read, if you cut through r the mass of crap you have written your just pissed you don’t understand how tactics on PES 2011 work! The main differences from PES 2011 in terms of tactics from PES 2010 is that you can’t select if a player is defensive balanced or attacking minded. I don’t really mind this because it just enforces that if you have Dani Alves at Right back he’s not going to be as effective defending as to someone C*ntley Cole! N Another difference is you can’t select player traits to be on or off. Which isn’t too bad again! Just enforces you to learn how each player plays which I love!

I do love the team management gameplan, which you haven’t adapted to, just ignored and wined about it not being the same as in 2010! There’s still a need to the on the fly strategies but it’s MUCH less of a factor with the new system. So without having to tweak the team styles like in 2010 when you go 1-0 up or your go behind your team changes it’s mentality to how you set it up!

So again like I said to the other guy moaning about everything! Learn! The problems you moan about is you not being able to adapt, not the game!

Seriously if you thnk PES 2010 is better than PES 2011 in terms of being a sim? A tactical game and a good one I enjoyed indeed but when I can sprint past the whole Germany team with Martin Petrov with ease and score without any trouble and it’s more stuck on rails than a express train. Well your talking out of your arse!



You can score them in any game but like the idiots in FIFA 08 who tried them is very easy to stop. if your getting beat by cutbacks in PES 2011 it's because your not very good!

Not another troller with his ten pence worth to hand out ... Look I'll break this down for the fanboys who can't get their heads round the negative perspective:

1. I've played enough of PES2011 on Top Player AI.
2. I know how to play the game.
3. I know what faults exist within the game.
4. Please don't bore me with your pious opinion because you don't like a thread that criticises PES
 

klashman

Registered User
Oh please, what a painfully Feeble retort. How old are you? 15?

Engage the dormant matter residing in your skull and read my previous comment properly before typing nonsensical shite.

Its like reasoning with a child but I will make the point again -

If you DON'T like the contents of THIS thread, DON'T bother POSTING in it!

Thing is, his comment was ignorant yes, but your aren't much better. your moaning about stuff which shows you haven't learnt to play the game properly. The problem again like with that fool amatuer is you!

Players not being able to sprint away from defenders, Seems you need to learn how to dribble properly! And not expect to wheel away from players with ease!

The only thing i agree with you on is that with Master league transfer system is a bit screwed in terms of transfer value. Its because of MLO! They lowered the value of players. Still had teams bidding 17+ plus for Aguero in my ML.

Also Master League, playing with small teams is too hard because your team is challenging. Again, learn how your team plays? It takes time, it takes you to actually read the manual, getting off your high horse of you thinking your a PES master and understanding the game rather than hating on it for not doing what you want it to do!
 

klashman

Registered User
Not another troller with his ten pence worth to hand out ... Look I'll break this down for the fanboys who can't get their heads round the negative perspective:

1. I've played enough of PES2011 on Top Player AI.

Did you not moan about using smaller teams was hard because the team you have is a challenge to master?

Did you expect when playing with good tams the AI to cheat and play like superhumans or do what is required when playing with good teams and beating most teams in the league!

Did you not try to learn how to play properly with those teams or just run off here to moan about the game?

I struggled a lot with Feyernood in ML this year, despite buying Amarui even, but it was a great struggle. I learn how to play effectively with them. that's what the game is about!

2. I know how to play the game.

Yet you can't take penalties, you moan about slow defenders catching you, the controls being clunky. Nope, sounds like you don't actually because if you did you wouldn't be moaning about these things!

3. I know what faults exist within the game.

TBH, not you don't know the crucial ones! Only one you properly identified was the master league transfer vaules!

4. Please don't bore me with your pious opinion because you don't like a thread that criticises PES

No, this thread is ridiculous because it's people moaning about things which aren't even bugs and the game just not suiting them. Chatting shit and championing for a PES 6 effect! So if we take PEs5 being like PES 2011 now, PES 2012 will be like PES 6, a dubbed down PES 5, and so on and an so on, just because you don't understand the game!

I want to see negative thread about the poor keeper animations, player switching (awful), Barca's formations being fucked, why aren't there enoguh crossing animations? Stuff like that! Not you moaning about things which aren't even issues!
 

Sminky

Registered User
Thing is, his comment was ignorant yes, but your aren't much better. your moaning about stuff which shows you haven't learnt to play the game properly. The problem again like with that fool amatuer is you!

Players not being able to sprint away from defenders, Seems you need to learn how to dribble properly! And not expect to wheel away from players with ease!

The only thing i agree with you on is that with Master league transfer system is a bit screwed in terms of transfer value. Its because of MLO! They lowered the value of players. Still had teams bidding 17+ plus for Aguero in my ML.

Also Master League, playing with small teams is too hard because your team is challenging. Again, learn how your team plays? It takes time, it takes you to actually read the manual, getting off your high horse of you thinking your a PES master and understanding the game rather than hating on it for not doing what you want it to do!

Ridiculous. You're as narrow minded as that other tool, how can you comment on how I'm playing the game?! You're passing off an assumption as fact.

My complaining about flaws within the game does not represent a lack of understanding.

If you want to champion PES2011, I'm ecstatic for you, but go do it in another thread.

Yawn ... yet more tedium in these posts
 

DIECI

Registered User
I think PEs2011 is the shallowest in terms of tactics of any PES game in the history of the series.
 

Sminky

Registered User
instead of attacking and insulting ppl why dont you give us a rundown as to how tactics work in this game? To me its the most shallow game in the history of the PES series in terms of tactics, but I may be wrong since Im generally new to it... so please induge us and give us a rundown of the tactical masterpeace that PES2011 is. Maybe that would help get some more peeps to like it. ;)

You can't reason with fanboy trollers, they cannot accept a difference of opinion.

For the record, I agree with you. I find it lacking imagination and realism ... I'm sure someone will no doubt accuse me of not 'understanding' the game or having not 'learnt it' but that is a truly vapid argument.

I've played the PES series since its inception in the late 90s. I'm a fan of the series and as a paying punter I'm entitled to criticise it if I feel short changed.
 

klashman

Registered User
Ridiculous. You're as narrow minded as that other tool, how can you comment on how I'm playing the game?!

You're passing off an assumption as fact. My complaining about flaws within the game does not represent a lack of understanding.


:shocking:

Its curious that so many people are happy with this game, I find it strange that stealing pace from players, making penalties impossible, over-loading the game with strategy that over-rules the primary strategy and adding clunky AI to match clunky controls is being so well received.

Agreed but I've played over 70 Master League games on Top Player and as far as I'm concerned this is without a shadow of a doubt the worst Master League I've ever played.

With good teams its too easy despite the incredibly flawed AI and lack of imagination but with average teams the challenge isn't just against the AI its against your own team as well.


Straight from the horse's mouth, or should i say backside ;)

I feel and need to set the record straight or Konami will bring PES back down the shitty route it went down after PES 5(pes 2008, 2009)

instead of attacking and insulting ppl why dont you give us a rundown as to how tactics work in this game? To me its the most shallow game in the history of the PES series in terms of tactics, but I may be wrong since Im generally new to it... ;)



How about READ THE MANUAL!!!! or maybe USED THE HELP BUTTON WHEN YOUR IN THE MANUAL or even better still.

EXPERIMENT? HELLO??? What do you just want it all put on a plate for you?

What are you, a baby?

I didn't read barely anything or need a guide, i just experimented and learned!

I think PEs2011 is the shallowest in terms of tactics of any PES game in the history of the series.

Guess you haven't played PES 2008 then :rolleyes:
 

Sminky

Registered User
Laughable, but do Indulge me, how does quoting my previous posts advance your 'argument'?

Do not presume to know what people are or are not doing, your hubris grows nauseating.
 

klashman

Registered User
Laughable, but do Indulge me, how does quoting my previous posts advance your 'argument'?

Do not presume to know what people are or are not doing, your hubris grows nauseating.

I don't think posters get anymore ignorant than you man :) . You come with the most automated like responses for people who disagree with you rather than actually reading my point and trying to understand where I'm coming from.

If your that dense to see that i quoted posts which you were moaning about things which weren't errors which led to my assumption you can't play the game or are you trying to move away from the topic source and post those automated 'Your a troll', 'have a proper debate' replies to cover the fact you don't understand the game?

What make your posts silly and makes you lose respectability is when you first quote my reply to amateur without actually reading what i wrote. It wasn't even aimed at you! You just have to 'ironically' troll anyone who either enjoys the game or your get worked up that someone isn't suffering the same issues as you because they cant actually play the game properly!

In no way is PES 2011 perfect. NO way! It's just revolutionary 's reached a new level which brings about new flaws :) But you need to play the game properly and understand it before truly understanding it's shortcomings which you can;'t!

"Penalties are impossible :lol: " apparently you can 'play' the game but you can't take penalties?
 

Sminky

Registered User
I don't think posters get anymore ignorant than you man :) . You come with the most automated like responses for people who disagree with you rather than actually reading my point and trying to understand where I'm coming from.

If your that dense to see that i quoted posts which you were moaning about things which weren't errors which led to my assumption you can't play the game or are you trying to move away from the topic source and post those automated 'Your a troll', 'have a proper debate' replies to cover the fact you don't understand the game?

Snore! (How's that for an automated response?)

What is it with fanboys and these woeful insults?

Lets get this clear ... You don't like this thread because you assume the people complaining about the game do not know to play it. End of story. Nothing more need be said.
 

karim.italy

Registered User
Pes11 is the best soccer game ever !! yeah that's the truth Or you like to run like ps2 players hahaha run beside the line with ronaldo hahahaha
 

klashman

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Snore! (How's that for an automated response?)

What is it with fanboys and these woeful insults?

Lets get this clear ... You don't like this thread because you assume the people complaining about the game do not know to play it. End of story. Nothing more need be said.

:lol: Guess i was right. People, don't listen to this guy! Konami, PLEASE don't listen to this guy! He can't take having a debate about football games when someone questions him! He just runs away and acts like a child :D !
 

bunnywhi7e

Registered User
Sminky Pinky, its very easy to sit behind a monitor and be a tough guy online and insult people like your the smartest guy in the world. You do realize that you wouldn't survive one minute in my world ?! I'd love to see kids like you face to face. Youd get knocked the fuck out faster than Messi's sprint on PES10.

I am done arguing with you and wont participate in your childish pussy fights. I get what your saying. PES11 sucks nobody should buy it or play it. Maybe its because of lamers like you that Konami screwed up PES08/09. I hope to god Konami don't listen to people like you. I might not be the greatest PES player out there but I do know what a good game is and how a game should be judged.

So guys please I beg you ignore this kid I can tell he likes the attention that he hardly gets inreal life it seems like.

DIECI, you must be smoking crack bro if you think PES11 has the worst tactical system. Its funny how people forget the past. PES08-09 was the worst PES in every single football aspect. PES1 is def. not.
 

kraz_zay

Registered User
hi guys, i had to say this, at first i find the pes 2011 is worst than pes 2010, hard to play, passsing is terrible, shooting accuracy worst.... Bought fifa11 played online having fun at first... but then tried again pes2011, realise that THIS IS THE CLOSEST TO REAL LIFE GAME YOU CAN GET. you cant expect to win everytime. being playing it ever since.... REGRET I BOUGHT FIFA11 before even giving pes2011 a chance to explain itself. For those guys who is giving up on pes2011, DONT!!!
Try a few more games......IT GREW ON YOU.... like i said THIS IS THE CLOSEST TO REAL LIFE GAME....... CHEERS KONAMI....
 
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