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PES 2013 - First game play trailer

MozzyEng

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Looking forward to the demos. Is it reet there's no graphical improvement?. Fucking bit of a joke in this day and age if not
 

abu97

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Looking forward to the demos. Is it reet there's no graphical improvement?. Fucking bit of a joke in this day and age if not
They say they'll focus on the graphics and contrast level near to the end of September so we won't be blown away but you may be left dissapointed as KONAMI obviously won't with the effort they put in to the presentation and graphics
 

MozzyEng

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They say they'll focus on the graphics and contrast level near to the end of September so we won't be blown away but you may be left dissapointed as KONAMI obviously won't with the effort they put in to the presentation and graphics[/QUOTE

Well should be a touch better then (Hoping). Im sure your a secret konami employee lol. You seem to know a lot

;)

Not long to wait for the first demo then i see.
 

shaun7

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You're expecting better graphics from a piece of equipment with a hardware from 2006-2007? Not to be rude, but that doesn't sound right now does it. Pes has reached it's graphical limitation. You add more and suddenly the game becomes heavy loaded, meaning that the console won't be able to keep up with the loading. So yeah, it's better of they optimize the game to run smoother rather than increasing the graphics that may end up having loading issues at the need of it. Now when the new consoles come out, then we can talk for real ;)
 

abu97

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You're expecting better graphics from a piece of equipment with a hardware from 2006-2007? Not to be rude, but that doesn't sound right now does it. Pes has reached it's graphical limitation. You add more and suddenly the game becomes heavy loaded, meaning that the console won't be able to keep up with the loading. So yeah, it's better of they optimize the game to run smoother rather than increasing the graphics that may end up having loading issues at the need of it. Now when the new consoles come out, then we can talk for real ;)
But they can still increase contrast levels to make the game better graphically and visually. For example the blur affect is on PES 2012 and that can easily be removed to make the game better. And the contrast levels need to brighten up for day matches and look better for night matches. This may not be a huge improvement graphically but it'll make the game look better definitely and more sharper.
 

MozzyEng

Registered User
I know what your saying shaun about old hardware, And i know nothing about graphics etc. But if you look at call of duty, It always improves a lot every year looks wise. I know its a totally different game!. Mind you there's only so much you can do with grass!
 

MrClub

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I'm probably as stubborn as it gets to game settings and slider use. I like to play on the hardest difficulty and refuse to touch sliders. I ain't gonna lie or be arrogant, but I am pretty good when it comes to football games. Not many can or have touched me, when I used to play online couple of years ago. For 10 or so years, in the PS2 years I was glued to Pro Evo, always used to play on Top Player (or 6 stars if available) and 99% of the time, I'd batter the CPU. PES 2008, (missed out 2009), 2010, 2011 were all played on Top Player as usual, no problem whatsoever. But this year, it is pretty much impossible for me to play either football game on the higher difficulties.

It's just so cheaty and rubberbanded, no game is ever 50/50, and the CPU always seem to get some sort of stat boost. Your A.I. is terrible and it seems like everything drops 5% where the CPU gains an advantage over that. I think this says it all about football games today, a player like me who would control games on hardest difficultys, is now being put of the games.

I mean, FIFA, from FIFA 08 to 10, I was a top 500 player in the UK online. SO i'm no average player, but now that I steer away from online, and play offline, both games today are so rigged on higher difficulties, its untrue.

Hundreds of games of FIFA 12 on World Class, and I downright refused to touch sliders, because I see it as a form of cheating and creating a different game to online modes. But yesterday, I put my hands up and admitted just how bad the game is and thought f*ck it, the CPU is so blatantly fixed, I'm gonna tone down its sliders, to create an even game. I didn't change my sliders at all, but I adjusted the CPU's accordingly, not massive amounts, but evening the game out, trying to take there advantages in a game away on the higher difficulties. So i wouldn't be knocking all there sliders right down to 0, but knocking them down by 1 or 2, depending on what is needed.

and guess what?

The game STILL tries its very best to screw you over!

It plays better than it did, but the problems still exist, this confirms to me what I already knew previously, it is the code, it is the game.

They just don't make em like they used to anymore. AT ALL.

Heres a guy who knows whats up.
 

Craney91

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We get it abu, you love love love your latest games, the fancy graphics and gimmicks. Your a fanboy, you love spunking your money down the drain, you love bending over and pulling your trousers down for developers.

But if youve got any common sense, you would not criticize those that know there stuff and say it. If your happy with todays junk then fine, but I and many others are far from happy, and want change.

It's people like you that will kill games, although you'll never be wise enough to admit it, because your sucked in by it all already, with seemingly no way of going back.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Your a slave neo!
 

abu97

Registered User
We get it abu, you love love love your latest games, the fancy graphics and gimmicks. Your a fanboy, you love spunking your money down the drain, you love bending over and pulling your trousers down for developers.

But if youve got any common sense, you would not criticize those that know there stuff and say it. If your happy with todays junk then fine, but I and many others are far from happy, and want change.

It's people like you that will kill games, although you'll never be wise enough to admit it, because your sucked in by it all already, with seemingly no way of going back.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Your a slave neo!
Chill out, I was just taking the mick.

I'm not a fanboy, and I know PES and FIFA have failed to meet the expectations requred for todays generation. I'm frustrated with PES at times and the same goes with FIFA, even though FIFA makes me frustrated more because of their lack of realism which they cover with their gloss. And PES is just a game that improves their gameplay in some directions but fall back in other areas.
 

Craney91

Registered User
FIFA 12 is worse for those problems mentioned, if people think they are getting f*cked over by PES 2012, then they should never even think of getting FIFA 12. It's 10x worse, and the problems are intensified. I don't think I've ever played a game more scripted, handicapped and rubber banded on higher difficulties than the steamy load of poo, that is, FIFA 12.
 

OCKRASS

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FIFA 12 is worse for those problems mentioned, if people think they are getting f*cked over by PES 2012, then they should never even think of getting FIFA 12. It's 10x worse, and the problems are intensified. I don't think I've ever played a game more scripted, handicapped and rubber banded on higher difficulties than the steamy load of poo, that is, FIFA 12.

One more noob getting his arse kicked by Fifa :lol:

If my 12 year old nephew can play the game so well ....anyone should :unsure:.

Another point is that not everyone is good at video games ...and you might be one of them.

If you find that you get angry and curse and throw stuff when you play video games :realmad:(Fifa) ....maybe its not for you.

Don't blame the game... player .....blame the player. :cool:

There are millions of us who are still playing the best soccer game ever...Fifa.. without any problems that causes the veins to stand in our foreheads..

or ...Practice bro ...just practice. Fifa isn't hard at all.

peace
 

Craney91

Registered User
We have a troll on the end of this guys! And its a big one! A REAL big one! It was only caught on a maggot to! I can't believe it!

In all honesty, I was expecting the usual "learn to play the game n00b" because of the total ignorance of what I actually said about higher difficulties causing the game to play erratic.

Now, toddle of with your 12 year old nephew and go and be a fireman over on the FIFA forums, you'd fit right in that cesspit.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
We have a troll on the end of this guys! And its a big one! A REAL big one! It was only caught on a maggot to! I can't believe it!

In all honesty, I was expecting the usual "learn to play the game n00b" because of the total ignorance of what I actually said about higher difficulties causing the game to play erratic.

Now, toddle of with your 12 year old nephew and go and be a fireman over on the FIFA forums, you'd fit right in that cesspit.

Watch this ..

In all honesty, I was expecting the usual "Troll on the end of this guy" because of the total ignorance of what I actually said about him being a noob and cannot adapt to new tactics in nex gen games. :crymore:

Maybe you should just stick to PES 6 bro ...you seem to have a real understanding of that old gameplay. Pes 2012 and Fifa 12 seems to be given you a lot of problems ....

Just quit the damn whining and stick to the old style of PES 6 ..it sure aint hard to run fast and kick hard.

Troll since 2004 bro :D
 

techboy11

Registered User
One more noob getting his arse kicked by Fifa :lol:

If my 12 year old nephew can play the game so well ....anyone should :unsure:.

Another point is that not everyone is good at video games ...and you might be one of them.

If you find that you get angry and curse and throw stuff when you play video games :realmad:(Fifa) ....maybe its not for you.

Don't blame the game... player .....blame the player. :cool:

There are millions of us who are still playing the best soccer game ever...Fifa.. without any problems that causes the veins to stand in our foreheads..

or ...Practice bro ...just practice. Fifa isn't hard at all.

peace

OCK, have to say fella, you're the biggest troll on ANY forum board involving ANY discussion, I've ever seen. Viva la FIFA12 mate, and continue having your wet EA dreams lo.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
OCK, have to say fella, you're the biggest troll on ANY forum board involving ANY discussion, I've ever seen. Viva la FIFA12 mate, and continue having your wet EA dreams lo.

I agree :D
...wait i dont agree :erm:

WTF is troll anyways? :angry:

I have been a member here since 2004 and have the fewest posts of any of you on this board to date.

But if stating that fifa is a good game makes me a troll ...then that I am bro ...I am a troll. :rolleyes:

You guys are the worst ....complain complain complain, why don't ya'll just give up?

Fuckin whiners I tell ya..
 

Craney91

Registered User
Because this "whining" is relevant, because games didn't used to be like this, they didn't have this many problems. They were ready and steady in time for release 5-6 years ago, they kind of had to be!

1. Because online gaming on consoles wasn't as popular
and
2. There was no way of patching/updating a game.

The fact of the matter is, developers are releasing broken games and games that are fragmented every single year. The games are simply not ready to be released and if they are relying on numerous updates and patches after its release, then this tells me it shouldnt have been released in the first place. (This is of course, when the developers can be bothered bringing out updates and patches to TRY and fix the game) ;)

It seems as soon as they release a game, even if it is a shambles, all the focus is immediately on premium DLC, rather than the game it needs to be able to play it on, itself. Then six months after its tenure, all the focus is onto the "next game"..........try and tell me this isn't how it goes.

Because if you do, your lying.

So if your so happy and blind to it all, and genuinely think not being able to control your own players on random occasions (in this circumstance) that happens way to often. Rubberbanding rules a game, Scripting decides what will happen, and for this to work Handicapping must take place. If you think thats all fine and dandy, part of the game, great, no problem what so ever, dare you even say "thats football"..... Then PLEASE continue giving game developers your money and continue bending over for them, every time they start up a glorified gimmicky sales pitch.

It will be your like that will destroy a well made game for good, because you will keep buying the terrible made ones regardless.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Because this "whining" is relevant, because games didn't used to be like this, they didn't have this many problems. They were ready and steady in time for release 5-6 years ago, they kind of had to be!

1. Because online gaming on consoles wasn't as popular
and
2. There was no way of patching/updating a game.

The fact of the matter is, developers are releasing broken games and games that are fragmented every single year. The games are simply not ready to be released and if they are relying on numerous updates and patches after its release, then this tells me it shouldnt have been released in the first place. (This is of course, when the developers can be bothered bringing out updates and patches to TRY and fix the game) ;)

It seems as soon as they release a game, even if it is a shambles, all the focus is immediately on premium DLC, rather than the game it needs to be able to play it on, itself. Then six months after its tenure, all the focus is onto the "next game"..........try and tell me this isn't how it goes.

Because if you do, your lying.

So if your so happy and blind to it all, and genuinely think not being able to control your own players on random occasions (in this circumstance) that happens way to often. Rubberbanding rules a game, Scripting decides what will happen, and for this to work Handicapping must take place. If you think thats all fine and dandy, part of the game, great, no problem what so ever, dare you even say "thats football"..... Then PLEASE continue giving game developers your money and continue bending over for them, every time they start up a glorified gimmicky sales pitch.

It will be your like that will destroy a well made game for good, because you will keep buying the terrible made ones regardless.

Sup Craney ?

I would love to sit here and "press ur buttons" in mischief....but i have read your previous posts and i am one that agrees with you 100%. I am not happy with either game...I am just Ok.

I guess if you really look at the threads on this forum, they all lean in one direction....disappointment.

In my opinion, if you need a tutorial on how to shoot in PES 2012...this means failure. We should be able to do all the basics in the sport..run, pass and shoot. PES has struggled in all departments. Not to mention online.

I will not go into all the problems since it has been documented here many times. My opinion is that as long as the "Fish" is in charge of the development of PES ....there will be no development. The Fish refuses to face the fact that he was only good on the PS2 platform....next gen is kicking his butt. .

Fifa faces similar problems with only incremental updates on each release every year. However, they have at least sorted out the basic run, pass and shoot aspect of the video game. On top of that they have a respectable online system. This does not mean that the game is without faults...it simply means it has less than PES which makes it more playable for some.

EA and Konami have found a winning formula ....release a new game every year with little or no improvements ...achieve a profit with little overhead expenses. A lot of us do not realize that although PES is not making as much sales as EA ....their profit margins are still pretty close since PES also do not have the huge overhead expenses that EA has.

Example (not realistic) in a scenario where EA outsells PES by 3 to 1
this could mean the following..

PES spends $7mil makes $10....40% profit
Fifa spends $25mil makes $35mil.....40% profit

I believe this why the Konami does not gives a fuck anymore ...although they have dropped to number 2 in popularity....their profits remains relatively the same each year. Why invest more?

peace
 
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