Psm3 thoughts on pes2010

[Skyyo210]

dont kno what your problem is kid but deluded is one of them... i never said pes is perfect but it is much better than fifa you just wont wake up and realise it....

I got a good laugh out of that.

WAKE UP!!

 

[Skyyo210]

More fucking crying from someone who obviously cant answer the question he was asked

Once again

this one goes out to your boyfriend too (Shankly is god) who is so far up seabass's arse, im not sure colonic irrigation could remove him.

Which game gives you more control......

The one with CPU automated passing and shooting and through ball, and tackling and penalties?

Or the game which offers you manual control over almost all aspects of gameplay?

Simple question for those who have a fully functioning nervous system.

How can it take more skill, to let the computer take Pk's for you, weight passes for you, take control of shots for you, through balls for you, tackle for you.....

As opposed to weighing your own passes, having full control over shot placement and penalties and having full manual control of gameplay which allows you to make your own mistakes rather than the computer making mistakes for you.

??????????????????????

You two are a joke, plastic pes fans who probably started playing at pes 4 or summin, if you cant understand the massive contradictions you are making you are beyond help. Because sane people dont agree with you, one of the writers of this forum doesnt agree with you, the reviewers dont agree with you, the sales dont agree with you, and if you look at how stupid your argument is, you dont even agree with you.

Congrats on this quote though on why EA seek feedback, stupidity like this should be celebrated


Absolutley shocking, they dont know football like konami, but they got a 360 degree game and konami have 8 directions.........do me a favor, log off yeah, your hopeless.

Now, are there any real PES fans out there that wanna talk, these noobs you are feeding me arent up to scratch...


Im happy to talk about Konami new system where players flood the box when a good crosser gets the ball, because thats one of the few ideas i like.

I'm with you

PES has lost the way. Fifa has gotten better and better over the years.

The things I read do make me more hopeful that PES will get back on track. But with all the problems with the game I don't know if they can. They have gotten the liscences right and completely muffed the gameplay.

 

[Macksam]

People keep saying about this 360 degree control, but who's to say it will work? .

A guy at IGN who had hands on time with it at E3 said after experiencing the 360 degree control, he went back and played FIFA 09 only to find that it felt rigid and out dated in comparison. That pretty much says it will work.

 

[newbyte]

After the first few pages i find myself skipping over everything Tech_Skill says, Well done mate. Sit back and take a look at the rage and passion in those posts of yours. Please tell me you have more to live for then arguing like this in a 'game' forum.

 

[Macksam]

I do not see how Konami will listen to PESGAMING anymore since they are breaking copyright laws publishing PSM3's article on their site.

I think PSM3 would care more than Konami.

are you marketing for EA, because damn man it really sounds like it.
most of the problems you claim to have with the game are just not there for me so i just don't get it. the animations aren't great that's true, the automatic sliding has got to go, some keepers could be better but no one and i mean not even the AI runs through my defence as if it's not there so if you are just bad at the game than practice .
a lot needs to improve but as i said before with all it's faults it represents football in the purist form much more than FIFA care to dream about at the moment.

8 directional, well that may be true but the freedom you have when playing,passing and dribbling is much more than FIFA has at the moment much more.

scoring goals in any which way you like as long as you've got the skill and timing right and i have yet to see two goals that look exactly the same that's also what FIFA just doesn't have and that's the soul that it lacks because if football was that boring and predictable than it wouldn't be the sport it is today.
what makes this sport exciting is that you never know a goal can go in.

ball physics, well if you've ever played with a football you'd notice that it's just unbelievable and scary how close to the real thing PES is ,just stunning.

a lot of members here have a few great suggestions on how to improve the game because no one is ever satisfied and i have a few myself but as it stands today when we compare the two football games we have at the moment PES has the football soul in it's roots and FIFA wants to learn.

Best post in this thread.

 

[Macksam]

I think we should concentrate more about how the game feels.I mean we're not coaches to say AI should do that or he should do the other.You just build your own tactic and try to beat the AI(which will be very hard to beat from what I've heard about PES 2010).Sorry for repeating,but the main concern about this game is that players runs like they are not footballers,I mean they are like some Ice Hockey players with football equipment.And i guess noone can argue with me,because it's not too hard to understand this if you have seen or played a real life match.
I didin't buy PES 2009 not because of licenses,or unrealistic Master League,but because of unrealistic gameplay.

It's funny people mention the players move like ice hockey players. I don't see it. Can anyone post a youtube video showcasing it? Is it a once in a while thing or does it happen all the time? I play PES 2009 every night and don't notice this.

 

[R9NALD9]

blah blah blah, sounds like smokescreens to me. By the way, it's listed that the gameplay speed is slower but faster than fifa09, I played fifa09 and it was too fast already.

Al this updates have nothing to do with animations and how the game plays in general. I'll wait for gameplay movies...and I know for sure that I'll be dissapointed. The usual 8-direction movement will look terribly outdated against the 360 degree dribbling in fifa. I'll reserve my final judgement untill gameplay movies appear, though I don't think this game will come near the hype.

Graphics...who gives a shit about graphics, gameplay is what keeps you playing for months

3D crowd...who gives a rat's ass...who looks at the crowd anyways.

 

[R9NALD9]

i admit fifa does have a hell of a lot more to offer than PES, but you can't deny that PES is more fun. Gameplay is the only flaw for me. FIFA has fully liscenced teams, a more organised manager mode, etc., but PES gives you more freedom.

It gives you more national teams to play with, it gives you the freedom to mess around with players, teams, stadium names, etc., You can't do this with FIFA (I mean the game doesn't even show you a single trophy when you win a championship for christ's sake).

I think what I'm trying to say is this: Even though FIFA is closest game resembling real life futbol, I always seem to gear towards PES because the game offers me so much more.

I hear you, but remember that the officially licensed teams in PES can't be edited except for stadium etc. The lack of licenses is what makes the editing so good in pes. If all the teams were licensed in PES, editing would'nt have been so free as it is now.

 

[Pantilimon]

It's funny people mention the players move like ice hockey players. I don't see it. Can anyone post a youtube video showcasing it? Is it a once in a while thing or does it happen all the time? I play PES 2009 every night and don't notice this.

Here's a video for FIFA 09:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUzi3g_6zs&feature=fvw

And here for PES 2009:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnL2Vxym-Dw&feature=related

Try to be subjective and you'll observe that what I've said is true(no fanboy objectism!!!).

 

[R9NALD9]

dont kno what your problem is kid but deluded is one of them... i never said pes is perfect but it is much better than fifa you just wont wake up and realise it.... eveyone who i have spoken to has agreed with me that fifa is an arcade game i could be here all night saying how i think its sht and people will agree...

*no skill at all required.

says who? Fifa offers you full manual control, pes don't

**Players dont look like real life counterparts.

graphics, who gives a shit...gameplay is what matters. Pes's faces looks better, but that is totally awesome for the first hour when you browse players in edit mode.

**CL games played at 12pm in sunlight .

This has been confirmed fixed for fifa 10

**can score 100% from the halkway line.

This has been fixed for fifa 10 as well, confirmed by EA

**crappy manager mode.

Manager mode has been totally revamped this year, and what I've read about it, it sounds better than any franchise/manager mode I've experienced in a game. Remains to been seen how much of it is true.

**world class players play for 2nd division teams(unrealistic transfers).

This has been totaaly revamped for fifa 10 and is realistic now.

**weather is shitty .

Fifa 10 will offer realistic weather, depending on the time of the year, confirmed by EA

**tackling is crap with no need to press anything.

Both fifa and pes is guilty of making star players like C Ronaldo way too good and impossible to tackle

**to get a certian goal you can pass it across the shitty goalies and get a certian goal.

You can score specific goals in pes as well, both games are guilty of this.

**no movement in the players with the AI knowing every single move you make.

If you want to bring up player movement, pes is way more shocking with AI players running around like headless chickens on occassions.

**unrealistic stats, sami hypia is as fast as ronaldo .

AI slow defenders catch up with fast strikers in PES too, both games are guilty of this, and both games need to fix this.

**no customization to make it better.

This year they have added customization in fifa, though not as much as pes. Though as mentioned above the licensed teams in pes have limited customization, so if pes had all the licenses that fifa had...see my point?

**be a pro is crap with only 4 seasons and your the best ever made in those 4 short years.

Matter of opinion though, I didn't enjoy BAP at all. And actually enjoyed be a pro, though this is down to preference. Fifa 10 have fixed the issue of improving too fast.

**online is shocking with everyone just chosing 5* rated teams...

That is not EA's fault, at least they have a working online mode.




I enjoy both games, but to make either one out as totally shit is pointless. Both have their pro's and both has their con's. Personally I enjoy Fifa 09 much more than PES 09, and the improvements Konami is going on about has nothing to do with the major problems in PES the last couple of years. The things I've heard and feedback from journalists about FIFA 10 is very promising and extremely positive. I know I'm going to buy FIFA 10, it's up to gameplay movies of PES 10 for me to decide whether I'll buy that as well.

Each year Konami makes promises and promises, the last 2 years has been a major dissapointment. Especially last year, they promised that everything has been reworked from scratch, just for me to find out PES 09 equals total shit! And this 50% thing is total nonsense, and shows Konami's lack of confidence.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Tech Skill...

I would really like to know what your point is? You come here and bash this game so bad ( and many points I agree with you ) but you just seriously make PES2009 out to be the WORST football game ever. Its a GOOD game just not up to the standards we expect, so chill out man.

Jeez, everyone is targeting me at the moment, Okay, your turn proevofan88....

Bottom line, you dont have to agree with what I say, but the bottom line is, I believe alot of what I say is very accurate.

I came on here demanding a feedback forum for this site, and PESGAMING delivered that, thats a step in the right direction. Despite people like RAMAXWY implying companies who ask for feedback dont know what they are doing, thats why they ask for it. Feedback like that, is part of the reason Konami make shit pes games these days, people dont understand what changes are vital and which can wait. A fedback forum on here is the fucking minimal requirements when developing a game. Below is the next step.

Ive also demanded one of the developers gets their ass on this forum, ive made it very clear, fuck WENB and those morons that run that joint, if Konami want the cold hard truth about the state of PES, they need to come here, Ill have a dialouge with one of them, trust me, after that, they will know what needs to be done.

About 3/4 months ago, I said in the PES2009 forum, that EA were going to bring over innoviative new ideas, and that Konami had to match them or die. I specifically made references to poor player directtional movement and CPU automated passing. 3/4 months later EA developed 360 movement, the talking point of the year so far and Konami have nothing so far that comes close.

Again, the list goes on, and this year, unless Konami are hiding amazing ideas from us, im calling another fifa landslide this year. For the simple reasons I keep going on about day in and day out.

1) Konami dont listen to fans, even when they started taking feedback, it was about 6 months too late and doesnt even count until PES2011, proof of how stupid they are.

2) They dont innovate alot, they tweak them same thing over and over again. When fifa was a horrible game (1998-2008) that was good enough, now EA are making serious football games, it not enough, if they dont innovate they will get ended. Look at PES3, then look at PES2009, the steps forward that have been made are argueably minimal, which is a disgrace.

3)They lie on a conistent basis, remember when they were gonna consider not releasing PES in 2009 if it wasnt gonna be a huge improvement? Remember how they said PES2008 was the best game to date, then did a u turn and said they knew it was shit and thought about scrapping it? Now it they are going to introduce 'exhaustive' changes, but most of them are minor and dont actually address the majority of issues serious pes fans have with the series.

 

[Krishna]

Here's a video for FIFA 09:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUzi3g_6zs&feature=fvw

And here for PES 2009:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnL2Vxym-Dw&feature=related

Try to be subjective and you'll observe that what I've said is true(no fanboy objectism!!!).

FIFA's animations are more fluid but Pro's gameplay is just better to look at.

In terms of playing the games, FIFA seems slow and a bit unresponsive although Pro seems like that at times. Pro to me has better gameplay but FIFA has good gameplay too. :happy:

 

[shankly is god]

dont kno what your problem is kid but deluded is one of them... i never said pes is perfect but it is much better than fifa you just wont wake up and realise it.... eveyone who i have spoken to has agreed with me that fifa is an arcade game i could be here all night saying how i think its sht and people will agree...



says who? Fifa offers you full manual control, pes don't



graphics, who gives a shit...gameplay is what matters. Pes's faces looks better, but that is totally awesome for the first hour when you browse players in edit mode.



This has been confirmed fixed for fifa 10



This has been fixed for fifa 10 as well, confirmed by EA



Manager mode has been totally revamped this year, and what I've read about it, it sounds better than any franchise/manager mode I've experienced in a game. Remains to been seen how much of it is true.



This has been totaaly revamped for fifa 10 and is realistic now.



Fifa 10 will offer realistic weather, depending on the time of the year, confirmed by EA



Both fifa and pes is guilty of making star players like C Ronaldo way too good and impossible to tackle



You can score specific goals in pes as well, both games are guilty of this.



If you want to bring up player movement, pes is way more shocking with AI players running around like headless chickens on occassions.



AI slow defenders catch up with fast strikers in PES too, both games are guilty of this, and both games need to fix this.



This year they have added customization in fifa, though not as much as pes. Though as mentioned above the licensed teams in pes have limited customization, so if pes had all the licenses that fifa had...see my point?



Matter of opinion though, I didn't enjoy BAP at all. And actually enjoyed be a pro, though this is down to preference. Fifa 10 have fixed the issue of improving too fast.



That is not EA's fault, at least they have a working online mode.




I enjoy both games, but to make either one out as totally shit is pointless. Both have their pro's and both has their con's. Personally I enjoy Fifa 09 much more than PES 09, and the improvements Konami is going on about has nothing to do with the major problems in PES the last couple of years. The things I've heard and feedback from journalists about FIFA 10 is very promising and extremely positive. I know I'm going to buy FIFA 10, it's up to gameplay movies of PES 10 for me to decide whether I'll buy that as well.

Each year Konami makes promises and promises, the last 2 years has been a major dissapointment. Especially last year, they promised that everything has been reworked from scratch, just for me to find out PES 09 equals total shit! And this 50% thing is total nonsense, and shows Konami's lack of confidence.

your talking about fifa 10 im talking about fifa 9 how can i slate a game thats not out yet......
and besides i do get both games also im just giving my view that i prefers pes for me its overall realistic...all this talk about 8 way control just eludes me i find if you can run at defenders and actually get past them then its fine.. in fifa you cant.....

 

[greekwow]

some of you can't play FIFA becouse it is much more SIM than pes and you can't play SIM games,

you enjoy playing PES more becouse it is easie,r there is more space to move, it is arcade, this is why.

 

[Tech_Skill]

your talking about fifa 10 im talking about fifa 9 how can i slate a game thats not out yet......
and besides i do get both games also im just giving my view that i prefers pes for me its overall realistic...all this talk about 8 way control just eludes me i find if you can run at defenders and actually get past them then its fine.. in fifa you cant.....

You still dodgin my question from yesterday eh, you said FIFA had no skill.

How can it take more skill, to let the computer take Pk's for you, weight passes for you, take control of shots for you, through balls for you, tackle for you.....

As opposed to weighing your own passes, having full control over shot placement and penalties and having full manual control of gameplay which allows you to make your own mistakes rather than the computer making mistakes for you.

??????????????????????

 

[RAMAXWY]

what don't you get man ? FIFA with all the things u summed up sounds fantastic but it isn't the bad response is still there and if they even can't fix that after they said they would for FIFA09 than the rest doesn't even matter because the gameplay suffers too much.
the player and team stats don't matter how can this not bother you if you really like the sport you should see and feel the difference in players and team abilities but that's nowhere to be found in FIFA.
they market their product perfectly and let you believe all that hype AND MAKE YOU THINK THINGS ARE THERE WHICH ARE NOT.
when KONAMI says they worked on something you usually feel it in the game and you can end up liking it or not but you will feel it in the game.
FIFA'S animations are fluid yeah i'll give you that but for some odd reason they are a pain too look at and i don't know if it's just me but all the players seem to have back problem and are leaning forward so even they have too work on it.
what bothers me is that you think the game is perfect but it's far from it .

 

[RAMAXWY]

some of you can't play FIFA becouse it is much more SIM than pes and you can't play SIM games,

you enjoy playing PES more becouse it is easie,r there is more space to move, it is arcade, this is why.

nope i enjoy PES much more because FIFA gets boring after a month.
you then get the feeling been there done that.
PES on the other hand you can play a whole year and still see different things constantly.
goals and moves that make you go woah i got to watch this again or save this because it was unbelievable FIFA lacks all of that .

 

[shankly is god]

You still dodgin my question from yesterday eh, you said FIFA had no skill.

How can it take more skill, to let the computer take Pk's for you, weight passes for you, take control of shots for you, through balls for you, tackle for you.....

As opposed to weighing your own passes, having full control over shot placement and penalties and having full manual control of gameplay which allows you to make your own mistakes rather than the computer making mistakes for you.

??????????????????????

but that does not effect the game at all you say oh its so skill full to let the cpu take a penalty for you...i have never seen that what so ever...and the weighted balls issue doesnt effect the game either as i only use circle button to loft balls and cross.....

the manual control on fifa is so funny i play my brother every now and again on that option it does require some amount of skill i do grant you that in determing where the ball will go...but actual action on the field is shocking...... like i said slow defenders like garry neville and such are as fast or faster than ronaldo or torres and even wallcot, also tackling is shite...... fifa is fun but its not a simulation no way close...

 

[Tech_Skill]

what don't you get man ? FIFA with all the things u summed up sounds fantastic but it isn't the bad response is still there and if they even can't fix that after they said they would for FIFA09 than the rest doesn't even matter because the gameplay suffers too much.
the player and team stats don't matter how can this not bother you if you really like the sport you should see and feel the difference in players and team abilities but that's nowhere to be found in FIFA.
they market their product perfectly and let you believe all that hype AND MAKE YOU THINK THINGS ARE THERE WHICH ARE NOT.
when KONAMI says they worked on something you usually feel it in the game and you can end up liking it or not but you will feel it in the game.
FIFA'S animations are fluid yeah i'll give you that but for some odd reason they are a pain too look at and i don't know if it's just me but all the players seem to have back problem and are leaning forward so even they have too work on it.
what bothers me is that you think the game is perfect but it's far from it .

What does this have have to do with the questions you have failed to answer for nearly 2 days.

Answer the question directly. Dont talk about fluid animations or anything like that, answer the question you were asked.

How can it take more skill, to let the computer take Pk's for you, weight passes for you, take control of shots for you, through balls for you, tackle for you.....

As opposed to weighing your own passes, having full control over shot placement and penalties and having full manual control of gameplay which allows you to make your own mistakes rather than the computer making mistakes for you.

but that does not effect the game at all you say oh its so skill full to let the cpu take a penalty for you...i have never seen that what so ever...and the weighted balls issue doesnt effect the game either as i only use circle button to loft balls and cross.....

......................... So manual controls do not effect the game at all???

You never seen the CPU take a Pk for you? youve never noticed that missing and scoring penalites is PES is a complelete lottery as all you do is press 2 buttons and hope the CPU lets you score?

And you think this has no effect on freedom of play????

Seriously now, log off yeah, your way in over your head here.

 

[shankly is god]

ha ha kid your full of shit....you kno im right mate....and im not playing me playstation 24/7 to notice if the cpu takes a pen for me or not.... i go for realism mate and to me pes is far more real.....the movement on fifa are tragic they move like retards and look like they getting bummed when they score..... i really dont care if pes doesnt have manual setting you chav... just means thinkyour awesome at fifa....
you have a massive attitude problem son probs from getting bullied at little school...grow up son