Right, Time For Some Real Talk on This Fifa/PES Buisness

[Tech_Skill]

My point was this

"You are having a laugh mate - how do you know how the full releases are going to play. Fifa is only just out and PES isn't out until next week"

1) Demos-are-there-for-a-reason. You play them, then you decide how likely you are to like the game and then you decide whether you would like to buy the game, based on these and other decisions you have made during the decision process.

If you are suggesting I forget all the shit I saw in the demo, and buy the full game in the hope that the final version is going to be a revelation, then I would say, thats stupid, Infact no, I would say your a moron.....Infact No, I woudn't say that cos I wouldnt be surprised you said that, cos I already know you are a moron.

2) If I have to repeat this one more time, i'm going to have to break down to you in the style of 'spot the dog goes for a walk' in the hope that what's left of your brain matter can grasp this concept.

I've seen players who have the full game and have had the full game since last week make near identical criticisms to the ones I originally made, Infact, look at what 'Kevthedrummer' on this forum just posted a few mins ago regarding the final version, he said....

"hey have also completely stamped out dribbling, which is shit quite frankly"

Now read my post from LAST WEEK where I say pretty much the same thing, AKA I dont need to waste money on the final version to find out the dribbling is still not good enough.

Do you understand now, I can't be way off the mark if some of the fuckers who have the full game are seeing the same issues in the final version, that I saw in the demo. Also, go on the fifa forums, and check out the people on there complaining about how Online is broken, and How career mode has hardly changed since FIFA10 and look at the bugs people are complaining about, horrific bugs like this where players disappear at the beginning of the game

http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/39001659

You dont have to buy the final version to realise there is some fucked up shit going on in fifa11.

Also if you can't tell the difference between a bit of banter about boyfriends/ Mums (school yard stuff) and Abortions/ Aids than I feel sorry for you........You can't be right.

You= Crybaby-pussyhole.

If you start some personal shit, finish it, dont decide you cant handle it then start heading for the exit.

 

[S-D-P]

Got FIFA yesterday, for me its the first game to surpass PES 5, I know it has its flaws and has problems online(I only play CM and offline multiplayer) but all manual fifa is truly stunning in gameplay terms although it can be the most infuriating game ever. CPU AI is still abit generic but I can effect this with custom tactics. The shooting is immense and you can aim anywhere and put topspin on the ball or hit straight trajectory depending on how you move the analog. I can't wait for PES 2011 and it will offer me things that fifa cannot, I just feel PES still has too much of an assisted aspect whereas fifa mixes stats with user input brilliantly. I know more flaws will become apparent the more I play but its a fantastic game can't wait to see what pes has to offer. Finally FIFA also has attention to detail for the first time, fifa 10 felt stale quite quickly although it was a great game.

 

[marcgiu]

1) Demos-are-there-for-a-reason. You play them, then you decide how likely you are to like the game and then you decide whether you would like to buy the game, based on these and other decisions you have made during the decision process.

If you are suggesting I forget all the shit I saw in the demo, and buy the full game in the hope that the final version is going to be a revelation, then I would say, thats stupid, Infact no, I would say your a moron.....Infact No, I woudn't say that cos I wouldnt be surprised you said that, cos I already know you are a moron.

2) If I have to repeat this one more time, i'm going to have to break down to you in the style of 'spot the dog goes for a walk' in the hope that that what left of your brain matter can grasp this concept.

I've seen players who have the full game and have had the full game since last week make near identical criticisms to the ones I originally made, Infact, look at what 'Kevthedrummer' on this forum just posted a few mins ago regarding the final version, he said....

"hey have also completely stamped out dribbling, which is shit quite frankly"

Now read my post from LAST WEEK where I say pretty much the same thing, AKA I dont need to waste money on the final version to find out the dribbling is still not good enough.

Do you understand now, I can't be way off the mark if some of the fuckers who have the full game are seeing the same issues in the final version, that I saw in the demo. Also, go on the fifa forums, and check out the people on there complaining about how Online is broken, and How career mode has hardly changed since FIFA10 and look at the bugs people are complaining about, horrific bugs like this where players disappear at the beginning of the game

http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/39001659

You dont have to buy the final version to realise there is some fucked up shit going on in fifa11.



You= Crybaby-pussyhole.

If you start some personal shit, finish it, dont decide you cant handle it then start heading for the exit.

If you think going to extreme's is "grown up" then fill your boots. Rest assured me and probably most of the people reading this will feel sorry for/ be laughing at - you. As I said - I actually don't think you are right mate.

With regard the game - we will have to give it a couple of weeks and see which game plays better over a period of time.

 

[marcgiu]

Got FIFA yesterday, for me its the first game to surpass PES 5, I know it has its flaws and has problems online(I only play CM and offline multiplayer) but all manual fifa is truly stunning in gameplay terms although it can be the most infuriating game ever. CPU AI is still abit generic but I can effect this with custom tactics. The shooting is immense and you can aim anywhere and put topspin on the ball or hit straight trajectory depending on how you move the analog. I can't wait for PES 2011 and it will offer me things that fifa cannot, I just feel PES still has too much of an assisted aspect whereas fifa mixes stats with user input brilliantly. I know more flaws will become apparent the more I play but its a fantastic game can't wait to see what pes has to offer. Finally FIFA also has attention to detail for the first time, fifa 10 felt stale quite quickly although it was a great game.

good post mate - getting mine tonight

 

[Tech_Skill]

Got FIFA yesterday, for me its the first game to surpass PES 5, I know it has its flaws and has problems online(I only play CM and offline multiplayer) but all manual fifa is truly stunning in gameplay terms although it can be the most infuriating game ever. CPU AI is still abit generic but I can effect this with custom tactics. The shooting is immense and you can aim anywhere and put topspin on the ball or hit straight trajectory depending on how you move the analog. I can't wait for PES 2011 and it will offer me things that fifa cannot, I just feel PES still has too much of an assisted aspect whereas fifa mixes stats with user input brilliantly. I know more flaws will become apparent the more I play but its a fantastic game can't wait to see what pes has to offer. Finally FIFA also has attention to detail for the first time, fifa 10 felt stale quite quickly although it was a great game.

I respect your opinion. I just wanted to make a point.

For alot of people, Manual takes away from the reasons they enjoy football games, In that manual on fifa tends not to support player individuality no?? Maybe its different on fifa11, (ill fire up the xbox and try it) but on manual if you make a mistake isnt it YOU making the mistake rather than the player?

If so, for many that defeats the object of having a game with individuality, yes, Passing on PES may well be more assisted, but the passing is based more on PLAYER STATS, thus why Xavi is a better passer than Pedro, rather than user input.

Just a point.

If you think going to extreme's is "grown up"

Are you still here? Thought you said 'Laters' a few posts ago....

You talking about me going to extremes when you said.

manbitch emptying your ar5ehole ........while he uses his 2 free hands to play with manual controls on Fifa.
Something you should try"

LMAO. Your a clown mate.

 

[S-D-P]

good post mate - getting mine tonight

Enjoy it man, give it time though some people judge the game too quickly like they do with pes, the controls of fifa are very subtle. If you haven't already try manual passing, its more stat based and intuitive this year which adds more individuality to players.

 

[marcgiu]

I respect your opinion. I just wanted to make a point.

For alot of people, Manual takes away from the reasons they enjoy football games, In that manual on fifa tends not to support player individuality no?? Maybe its different on fifa11, (ill fire up the xbox and try it) but on manual if you make a mistake isnt it YOU making the mistake rather than the player?

If so, for many that defeats the object of having a game with individuality, yes, Passing on PES may well be more assisted, but the passing is based more on PLAYER STATS, thus why Xavi is a better passer than Pedro, rather than user input.

Just a point.



Are still here? Thought you said 'Laters' a few posts ago....

You talking about me going to extremes when you said.



LMAO. Your a clown mate.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[S-D-P]

I respect your opinion. I just wanted to make a point.

For alot of people, Manual takes away from the reasons they enjoy football games, In that manual on fifa tends not to support player individuality no?? Maybe its different on fifa11, (ill fire up the xbox and try it) but on manual if you make a mistake isnt it YOU making the mistake rather than the player?

If so, for many that defeats the object of having a game with individuality, yes, Passing on PES may well be more assisted, but the passing is based more on PLAYER STATS, thus why Xavi is a better passer than Pedro, rather than user input.

Just a point.

I agree to some extent tech, but this year manual passing is different and more contextual like pes 5, stats also have an effect and you have to think about body balance and the position your in. I do feel more individuality this year regards to passing, something missing from 08,09 and 10. Never played semi or assisted so not sure how shooting and passing is effected there.

 

[marcgiu]

Enjoy it man, give it time though some people judge the game too quickly like they do with pes, the controls of fifa are very subtle. If you haven't already try manual passing, its more stat based and intuitive this year which adds more individuality to players.

Quality news - keen to try Spurs on Manual passing.

 

[Tech_Skill]

If you haven't already try manual passing, its more stat based and intuitive this year which adds more individuality to players.

So in fifa this year, the manual passing takes stats into account right? Is this just a feature in the final version or is it the same in the demo, cos im firing up the xbox now to test this shit.

 

[S-D-P]

So in fifa this year, the manual passing takes stats into account right? Is this just a feature in the final version or is it the same in the demo, cos im firing up the xbox now to test this shit.

Didn't play the demo that much mate, it just feels more realistic to me and you can also add curve with the through ball depending on the angle. I use through ball for most short passes. I used to think the manual on fifa was perfect as it was all down to you but this is unrealistic and passing can become generic, this year its different for me personally and it feels more tactical. Shooting is so good you can even use it as a 2nd type of driven pass as now the shooting is pretty much 360, or in other words there is so much more variation. I don't have the patch by the way dont think it made major changes though regarding passing.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Didn't play the demo that much mate, it just feels more realistic to me and you can also add curve with the through ball depending on the angle. I use through ball for most short passes. I used to think the manual on fifa was perfect as it was all down to you but this is unrealistic and passing can become generic, this year its different for me personally and it feels more tactical. Shooting is so good you can even use it as a 2nd type of driven pass as now the shooting is pretty much 360, or in other words there is so much more variation. I don't have the patch by the way dont think it made major changes though regarding passing.

Ok, im playing now with Messi and Iniesta etc in defense, and goalkeepers and defenders upfront on all manual, so far, no noticeable difference between players, I will play a little more, and see what happens.

 

[Stormrider]

Enjoy it man, give it time though some people judge the game too quickly like they do with pes, the controls of fifa are very subtle. If you haven't already try manual passing, its more stat based and intuitive this year which adds more individuality to players.

This makes no fuckin sense to me. If manual passing is stat based, then how on earth can they call it manual?

 

[Tech_Skill]

This makes no fuckin sense to me. If manual passing is stat based, then how on earth can they call it manual?

LMAO, your kind of right, the reason I didn't go down that route, is that I think its possible to implement player individuality on a ''manual'' framework depending on what your interpretation of manual is.

If your interpretation of manual = User controls every single thing

Then yes, your probably right, if the user controls everything, then using player stats is taking element of control away from the player and therefore not manual by that definition.

 

[S-D-P]

This makes no fuckin sense to me. If manual passing is stat based, then how on earth can they call it manual?

Sorry to sound dismissive but I can't be fucked explaining exactly how it works, people who have played manual like me since fifa 08 will know what I mean. Manual is maybe the wrong name for it, but stats affect it simple, though dont know exactly how its programmed, its called manual as the user still plays a big part in where the ball goes but it depends on other variables as well.

 

[shaun7]

I just got fifa 11 today. Started career mode with Athletico madrid.
The gameplay is smoother than the demo and yeah it is slightly beter than the demo but not as much as some people are hyping it.

OVERALL, IT'S IS QUALITY HOWEVER the things tech and I mentioned are still there. I couldn't see why people are hyping it so much.
Yeah overall it's better than 10 especially the shooting and it has more wow moments than 10 for sure, but the flaws are pretty evident.

STRENGTH IS OVERRATED BADLY

The AI IS HORRIFIC. Really, it's generic, stupid, and annoying. When the AI is controlling strong players (even though not dribblers), he can dribble past you like messi and you can't even get near him. Makes him surrounded with a filed where you can't even get close. I was shocked that they didn't do anything about this. It's the most annoying thing ever.
Individuality is slightly better than 10, but I feel that players misplace a pass, not because of stats, but because the AI decided too. I don't know. Not sure about this, but it seems like it atm.

And the AI players INTERCEPTS WAY TOO MUCH. It's annoying.
There are moments where you feel clattered, not a bad thing, but the way it is on fifa 11, is annoying. When that happens, you cannot do a thing because if you pass, they intercept, if you try to dribble, they push you out and take the ball.

Then I encountered a glitch.
It seems that when the AI wants to score, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO (btw I was a pretty solid defender in 10 ) THEY WILL SCORE, even if your AI controlled defenders run away from AI strikers. Yeah I encountered this in my last game. I conceded 2 goals because of this stupid bug.
I feel that the AI is horrific. Seriously at times GAME BREAKING ON WORLD CLASS. I don't mind cheating but NOT LIKE THAT.

But it has a good side too
The shooting is pretty solid and as I said, there are wow moments that I didn't feel in fifa 10.
The presentation is pretty good, the career mode improvements are solid, the animations seem smoother and better, the player movement is good, the build up is better than 10, and overall the game has improved from fifa 10 and I was really surprised by that. For the first time, in fifa, I felt surprised with a goal I made with Marchisio where I didn't expect it to go in. That was great.

 

[Stormrider]

Sorry to sound dismissive but I can't be fucked explaining exactly how it works, people who have played manual like me since fifa 08 will know what I mean. Manual is maybe the wrong name for it, but stats affect it simple, though dont know exactly how its programmed, its called manual as the user still plays a big part in where the ball goes but it depends on other variables as well.

I thought that's what semi-auto is for. If what you say is true then that's pretty cool but very misleading from EA.

 

[Kevthedrummer]

I just got fifa 11 today. Started career mode with Athletico madrid.
The gameplay is smoother than the demo and yeah it is slightly beter than the demo but not as much as some people are hyping it.

OVERALL, IT'S IS QUALITY HOWEVER the things tech and I mentioned are still there. I couldn't see why people are hyping it so much.
Yeah overall it's better than 10 especially the shooting and it has more wow moments than 10 for sure, but the flaws are pretty evident.

STRENGTH IS OVERRATED BADLY

The AI IS HORRIFIC. Really, it's generic, stupid, and annoying. When the AI is controlling strong players (even though not dribblers), he can dribble past you like messi and you can't even get near him. Makes him surrounded with a filed where you can't even get close. I was shocked that they didn't do anything about this. It's the most annoying thing ever.
Individuality is slightly better than 10, but I feel that players misplace a pass, not because of stats, but because the AI decided too. I don't know. Not sure about this, but it seems like it atm.

And the AI players INTERCEPTS WAY TOO MUCH. It's annoying.
There are moments where you feel clattered, not a bad thing, but the way it is on fifa 11, is annoying. When that happens, you cannot do a thing because if you pass, they intercept, if you try to dribble, they push you out and take the ball.

Then I encountered a glitch.
It seems that when the AI wants to score, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO (btw I was a pretty solid defender in 10 ) THEY WILL SCORE, even if your AI controlled defenders run away from AI strikers. Yeah I encountered this in my last game. I conceded 2 goals because of this stupid bug.
I feel that the AI is horrific. Seriously at times GAME BREAKING ON WORLD CLASS. I don't mind cheating but NOT LIKE THAT.

But it has a good side too
The shooting is pretty solid and as I said, there are wow moments that I didn't feel in fifa 10.
The presentation is pretty good, the career mode improvements are solid, the animations seem smoother and better, the player movement is good, the build up is better than 10, and overall the game has improved from fifa 10 and I was really surprised by that. For the first time, in fifa, I felt surprised with a goal I made with Marchisio where I didn't expect it to go in. That was great.

I find that the interceptions are because of the lack of power behind the passing as I mentioned in my post... but yeah I'm totally with you on this one. 2011 will be a PES year for me.

FIFA feels like it's cheating you much like 2008-09 of PES did (didn't really play 10 much) - I could just tell when they were going to score. There was nothing I could do... 89 mins, 0-0.

 

[Tech_Skill]

but I feel that players misplace a pass, not because of stats, but because the AI decided too. I don't know. Not sure about this, but it seems like it atm.

Its something else I found in the demo, its the contextual error system they use I think, The AI says 'right your missing that one now', perhaps it does that more for the shitter player than the good ones, and that is fifa's player individuality, but I too think there is something going on there, can quite work it out though.

 

[YassirX]

Play MLO, I've heard the AI there is pretty good :lol:.