Screenshots, Videos, & Much More!!! - Part 1
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GuNNerZae
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you're exactly right. on the topic... whens the next video or piece of footage going to be revealed regarding the 2011 version?
TheStanchion
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There is something not quite right over at WENB. Its very restrictive in terms of what you can say. Most of the time its like walking on egg-shells. There's no denying that the mods and forummers are huge fans over there but its sometimes like Pleasantville, FFS. I do think WENB has some kind of relationship with Konami which both sides will not reveal, as I find the overt positivity even in the face of undeniable facts a huge turn-off.
The fact that some of the non-British forummers (e.g. those who don't reside in the UK) feel the need to defend WENB/PES from every barb & criticism - even when justified - is pretty annoying. Its like having a PES Defence Force.
We'll see I suppose. If PES2011 turns out as good as its been hyped then fair play. But for a game that's been supposedly 2 years in the making, and for the most recent video released yesterday to show the problems still to be rectified with a maximum of at least 3 months development time, I'm beginning to think its going to be another year of unfulfilled promises.
Tech_Skill
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end of, ive been saying this about them for ages now.
In terms of the new you tube video showing gameplay, i liked it actually, the animations looked improved to me, i think there was one where busquets trapped the ball nicely and the running animations looked better to me also. You know what tho, i would like them to take a bit of power off the shooting, ball goes like a fucking rockets everytime in pes.
fick
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Immediately followed by 2 posts :faceplm:
Seriously, leave the WENB stuff elsewhere and stay on topic gents. Future offenders get a booking.
Ultimate777
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Can we cut with the WENB crap.We know the problems with the forum. If you dont like their forum, stay away, its that simple. Your computres doesnt automatically load up connecting you to their site. You make the choice to visit yourself when there are alternatives, where you can have your say and where there is a wider range of discussion.
TheStanchion
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What do you reckon about the lovely bit in the video near the end where Ibrahimovic takes the ball, jogs then suddenly breaks into a sprint then shoots? That was a blast from the past - I've missed being able to do that in recent PES'.
TheStanchion
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Duly noted. Looking forward to engaging in some grown-up debate with everyone on here.
Jonny16
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I enjoyed the new video 
The way the camera is placed at the kick-off and then drifts up when play starts is pretty life-like. Atmosphere sounds much better already and the players look more like people in a weird way, less crouched over like apes.
Only thing that got me really was Ibrahimovic's little weird steps he kept doing!
The way the camera is placed at the kick-off and then drifts up when play starts is pretty life-like. Atmosphere sounds much better already and the players look more like people in a weird way, less crouched over like apes.
Only thing that got me really was Ibrahimovic's little weird steps he kept doing!
thenotsogood
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I believe they're called opinions and constructive criticism. I think you'd have to be living under a rock if you think everyone believe PES is perfect. The criticisms are there to discuss how the game could be made better.
On topic, I skimmed through the thread and read somewhere that there'll be 'auto-feints'? If that's true I will be bitterly disappointed, I don't like to bring this into it, but in FIFA if you want to feint, you press the buttons to do so. And that's how previous PES's have worked, and I think that's the better way for it to work.
I don't know what some are seeing. It's not quite night and day but there's a clear difference in animation quality, pace, and fluidity between PES2010 and what we've just seen. Sometimes I think its a case of selective sight, but thats just my opinion. When you consider it's an early May build, meaning Konami (like they've already said) have yet to tweak the highlighted bugs and imperfections, or implement much of the gameplay elements (new varied pressing system) and transitional animations that polish off the core animations, to me its a reason for optimism.
Of course everyone has a right to their opinion, you've as much right to highlight the negative elements as well as positives, but at the same time we can all see why Konami have yet to release an official video. Its clearly an unfinished product and won't be for a few months yet, so to make conclusive judgements (both negative and positive) based on the video would be wrong. Just to reiterate, the video impressed me a lot.
The last time I saw that was on ISS2000, but I didn't play PES2010 all that much so I wouldn't know.
I don't think Konami or any of the play-testers mentioned that so I would take it with a pinch of salt, what I do remember, though, is auto-feint being in PES5 and Konami removing it from PES6 following negative feedback.
To me it seemed like someone was repeatedly tapping R2, but if its a bug I'm sure they'll iron it out before release.
Of course everyone has a right to their opinion, you've as much right to highlight the negative elements as well as positives, but at the same time we can all see why Konami have yet to release an official video. Its clearly an unfinished product and won't be for a few months yet, so to make conclusive judgements (both negative and positive) based on the video would be wrong. Just to reiterate, the video impressed me a lot.
The last time I saw that was on ISS2000, but I didn't play PES2010 all that much so I wouldn't know.
I don't think Konami or any of the play-testers mentioned that so I would take it with a pinch of salt, what I do remember, though, is auto-feint being in PES5 and Konami removing it from PES6 following negative feedback.
To me it seemed like someone was repeatedly tapping R2, but if its a bug I'm sure they'll iron it out before release.
TheStanchion
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Regarding JessC's point above, I sometimes wonder whether I'm being subjective enough when watching these PES2011 videos. Is my love for PES blinding me to the tiny flaws that are in the game, or should I be focusing on the bigger picture instead of nit-picking?
Overall, I FEEL that PES2011 looks and plays different to its predecessor. The clunkiness of PES2010 still lingers slightly in a few things but there's more freshness to the game than I was expecting. Of course this is all speculation until you can actually play the game, but from impressions I really like it although I'm still really cautious about things as Konami have stung us in the past.
Overall, I FEEL that PES2011 looks and plays different to its predecessor. The clunkiness of PES2010 still lingers slightly in a few things but there's more freshness to the game than I was expecting. Of course this is all speculation until you can actually play the game, but from impressions I really like it although I'm still really cautious about things as Konami have stung us in the past.
@Stanchion. I think its entirely possible to be optimistic and subjective, its simply expressing your point of view while acknowledging the faults. Taking the rough with the smooth. Whether you enjoy it or not is a matter of our own expectations. Going back to that; I'm not saying the video's flawless, it isn't without a few of the robotic elements of the last few games, but, from what I can see, they're more minor hitches or an early code that can be ironed out or minimized further still rather than the basis of a broken system (like PES2008-10). The players are just so much more lifelike. There's no doubt Konami should be further ahead than they are, but they're here now and from the looks of things they're taken a massive stride to reclaiming the throne.
Tech_Skill
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I dont know how you come to these kind of conclusions without
a) seeing what fifa will offer this year
b) Seeing a long enough gameplay video because so far we have seen about 1 mins worth of footage which isnt enough to make the kind of statements your coming out with. Some of the animations look better as per my post above but the rigidity of the game still looks to be present amongst other things.
People need to calm the fuck down and wait for a little bit more.
TheStanchion
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I hope the niggling faults will be ironed out. It would be shame to reach that German expo in August (can't remember what its called) and to see a practically complete version of PES2011 but with these issues we've seen in May/June still painfully apparent.
The same thing happened last year when I was convinced by some people that 'Oh, they've got until end of September to fix it - they'll do it!" Well, they didn't fix it and what we saw in August was what we got in October. I'm not falling for that that one again :no:
The same thing happened last year when I was convinced by some people that 'Oh, they've got until end of September to fix it - they'll do it!" Well, they didn't fix it and what we saw in August was what we got in October. I'm not falling for that that one again :no:
I'm not making any conclusions, I didn't say they've done it or they've almost done it, I'm not giving the game a verdict (I'd have to see a proper gameplay video and play it myself), but after the last few years its obvious how their development philosophy has changed and much work they're putting into title, you could even see the improvements in animation in that little early code video. They're taking strides. You don't need to see full length gameplay video to see that.
Tech_Skill
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Fuck off with that shit, you said it looks like they have taken massive strides to reclaiming the throne, how the fuck can you gage that from about 60 secs of gameplay footage, some screenshots and you havent even seen what the competitor is releasing.
Dont even respond, go sit down in a dark room and fucking think about it for second.
Fucks sake.
Jonny16
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Its plain to see that human nature strives for more every time. PES was so good back in the days of its creation because it was so new and different, we hadnt had anything like it!
Now years later, we strive for something so much more and we blame Seabass for not delivering something way over expectation, which i think is a little harsh.
However, i think PES2010 was only at fault because of how the human player couldnt control some important aspects. EG, where the pass went and how powerful it was, to which you would scream "OMG I DIDNT TELL YOU TO DO THAT!" at the crouched, ape like player bumbling around on the screen.
With PES2011 i think this main fault has been addressed. Who cares if its from FIFA, its needed! Companies copy stuff from everyone all the time. If that wasnt the case, there would only be one football game, one racing game etc etc.
Right now, i think PES2011 is going in the right direction.
Now years later, we strive for something so much more and we blame Seabass for not delivering something way over expectation, which i think is a little harsh.
However, i think PES2010 was only at fault because of how the human player couldnt control some important aspects. EG, where the pass went and how powerful it was, to which you would scream "OMG I DIDNT TELL YOU TO DO THAT!" at the crouched, ape like player bumbling around on the screen.
With PES2011 i think this main fault has been addressed. Who cares if its from FIFA, its needed! Companies copy stuff from everyone all the time. If that wasnt the case, there would only be one football game, one racing game etc etc.
Right now, i think PES2011 is going in the right direction.