Stop The Scripted Cheating

[Trevi]

As I have said before: I disagree. I have played more than 60 matches against other people, and that is only counting the ones that are needed for the league I play at, I could say that I have played at least 80 matches against other people. These matches are done with invented teams.
If the result is fixed, how do you know who is going to win here?

 

[PwnOfTheDead]

It only seems to be when you are playing the COM...

 

[shaun7]

^It happens more in 2 player matches.

Understand this. SKILL is there. Ofcourse. But luck always decides who wins the game.
I don't want to argue on a proven fact. It's been there since pes 6.
I hope you're not seeing me as a pes hater. I'm just saying how to improve the game. LESS AI CONTROLLED. MUCH LESS. Even Fifa is AI controlled but not like in pro. It depends on momentum on fifa while on pro it depends on who the AI will pick up.
But still it doesn't mean I prefer fifa. NO. I don't don't. I like them both.
I still play pes 09 till this day and I do like it but it gets really frustrating.

 

[Trevi]

I definitely don’t see you as a PES hater; actually I do believe the contrary.
It’s just that I don’t think luck decides who wins because if it were luck then the long run would show very balanced results and that is not the case in my personal experience.
In my opinion skills matter a lot more than luck.
That said, I would like less scripting also.

 

[thenotsogood]

I will sound like the typical PES player who sucks and complains, but I am fuming after the last three or four games I've had in the master league. I understand you start with a sucky team, and add to that I'm playing on Top Player, but it just feels that all the little 'mistakes' your team makes seems more and more deliberate as you play on.

Just then, I gave up a 1-0 lead through an AI controlled team-mate making the most horrendous sliding tackle from behind to concede the penalty. Then a simple ball into the box was cleared to bounce back off a defender and into the path of their forward to shoot into an open net. This annoys me because the forward was in a bad position, only lucky due to the mistakes my defenders made, and the keeper was in an even worse position, where the ball was going to, he had no right to go for it, and technically didn't... He just, came off his line, to be perfectly honest.

The game before that I crawled back to a draw, only to see a last-gasp winner from their team sneak into the net. A simple header into the box was fumbled by the keeper, the defender looked dumbstruck as this happened, mind you, I'd probably be the same, and then a forward simply nets the ball.

This is made even more frustrating by the simple fact that I had been dominating most games of the three or four (I admit defeat on one of the games, I simply fielded a poor team and performed poor myself), and by dominating, I mean I had more shots, and the keepers seemed invincible. Include to that mix the usual array of fouls gone unnoticed and non-fouls being incorrectly penalised for.

I am simply not enjoying the game right now, and the scripting seems all that more evident when you're up against the odds to begin with.

 

[shaun7]

I definitely don’t see you as a PES hater; actually I do believe the contrary.
It’s just that I don’t think luck decides who wins because if it were luck then the long run would show very balanced results and that is not the case in my personal experience.
In my opinion skills matter a lot more than luck.
That said, I would like less scripting also.

Opinions are opinions
But whenever I remember from my experience (playing against an amateur on pes 6) I get mad.

 

[l0git3c]

^It happens more in 2 player matches.

Understand this. SKILL is there. Ofcourse. But luck always decides who wins the game.

sorry.....what 'luck' do u mean?

my ML team now is undefeated (without cheating, with some rules), and based on ur opinions, i have amazing luck?

 

[shaun7]

^Who said that??
ML doesn't count to a 100%.
I was talking about 2 player matches mostly. That's when the luck factor comes in.

 

[dotty]

Half of these scripts are down to you being shit, sorry but you must be utter crap.
Defending crosses is easy and i only conceed to lapses in concentration or poor button timing.

Freekick defending you should make your players jump! it's on the hardest rating it's going to be harder and they wll put away more chances when they get them.

The only bad thing in the game that needs changing is the whole sliding area the engine is unrealistic and they get up straight away.

They seriously need to add like 2 stars harder since most fall at the early hurdles maybe edging it slowly hard would be a benefit to greats like me

 

[Amateur]

Half of these scripts are down to you being shit, sorry but you must be utter crap.
Defending crosses is easy and i only conceed to lapses in concentration or poor button timing.

Freekick defending you should make your players jump! it's on the hardest rating it's going to be harder and they wll put away more chances when they get them.

The only bad thing in the game that needs changing is the whole sliding area the engine is unrealistic and they get up straight away.

They seriously need to add like 2 stars harder since most fall at the early hurdles maybe edging it slowly hard would be a benefit to greats like me

It haves nothing with you being rubbish...

Forget about CK goals, the important thing is that when the Momentum is against you, your Team's off-the-ball movement turns to shit, and there's nothing you can do about it other than revert to a more Defensive Strategy for the time being.

And watch how the opposing team is winning all the space in the pitch, and winning every ball and every battle.

There should be a reason for those "momentum shifts". We should have the power of Manipulating how the Momentum Shifts throughout the course of a match. It should not be completely random and out of our hands.

Football is unpredictable and random since always, we really don't need any random "scripting" to make it feel more unpredictable.

 

[wowie]

As I have said before: I disagree. I have played more than 60 matches against other people, and that is only counting the ones that are needed for the league I play at, I could say that I have played at least 80 matches against other people. These matches are done with invented teams.
If the result is fixed, how do you know who is going to win here?

I dont know if the result is fixed. I somehow doubt it (but who knows).

Anyway, what I want to say is there is a LOT of other factors involved in 1vs1 games. For example, I noticed that the auto sliding mostly occurs to the team that's winning by a threadbare lead. The momentum shifts are SO predictable. If my team scores, the next few minutes, I'll have to ride out some insane pressure from my friend's team. In real life, it's the other way around: the team that's conceded needs to find a way to claw back into the game.

In short, I think both you and shaun are right. Although there is skill involved, it is too small, the luck factors too big, for the game to be enjoyable and satisfying.

 

[shaun7]

^Excactly. I totally agree.

 

[Amateur]

I don't think Results are "Scripted". But some matches are Scripted to go against you, that doesn't means that you will loose, it simply means that your Passing and off-the-ball movement will not be as good as it usually is.

You can still come out as a winner, even if the momentum is against you. But when you play competitively, more often than not, luck makes the difference.

This haves a lot to do with the game being based on the d-pad, it can only go in 8-directions... So the COM will always have to improvise when Passing or Shooting the ball - Luck.

Plus the Momentum Shifts that make no sense... Completely random and out of our hands.

 

[wowie]

Often, I get the feeling that the team that is the underdog will get an elevated boost of their stats. Shall we say, underGOD?

For example, the other day, I was playing as Tottenham against my friend's Man U and we both could feel how slow and stupid his defense was. Not only that, Ronaldo was easily being caught up to by my defenders.

I know it happens in real life, that Ronaldo isn't a demigod. But then don't go make him invincible in his stats and throw it out the window once the game starts. The stats parameters need to be more intuitive.

It takes away a little bit of the satisfaction when your 99 speed striker is being caught up to by a 68 speed 192 cm CB and finally hacked down without drawing a card ( and of course injuring your player)

I have some hope for Konami on this one though because the teaser shows some new sliders and stuff being introduced. Let's wait and see.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Often, I get the feeling that the team that is the underdog will get an elevated boost of their stats. Shall we say, underGOD?

For example, the other day, I was playing as Tottenham against my friend's Man U and we both could feel how slow and stupid his defense was. Not only that, Ronaldo was easily being caught up to by my defenders.

I know it happens in real life, that Ronaldo isn't a demigod. But then don't go make him invincible in his stats and throw it out the window once the game starts. The stats parameters need to be more intuitive.

It takes away a little bit of the satisfaction when your 99 speed striker is being caught up to by a 68 speed 192 cm CB and finally hacked down without drawing a card ( and of course injuring your player)

I have some hope for Konami on this one though because the teaser shows some new sliders and stuff being introduced. Let's wait and see.

Do you repeatedly tap the run button when you have the ball, or just hold it? Almost any player can get outsprinted if you just hold the button. Also, it would have a lot to do with the stamina and fatigue level of both players.

 

[wowie]

Do you repeatedly tap the run button when you have the ball, or just hold it? Almost any player can get outsprinted if you just hold the button. Also, it would have a lot to do with the stamina and fatigue level of both players.

No, I repeatedly press it, so the player kicks the ball further. yea, I read the command list. But the mystery speed of the defenders has been in PES since WE 2007 (the first game I played). But now I think it is time to go.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Half of these scripts are down to you being shit, sorry but you must be utter crap.
Defending crosses is easy and i only conceed to lapses in concentration or poor button timing.

Freekick defending you should make your players jump! it's on the hardest rating it's going to be harder and they wll put away more chances when they get them.

The only bad thing in the game that needs changing is the whole sliding area the engine is unrealistic and they get up straight away.

They seriously need to add like 2 stars harder since most fall at the early hurdles maybe edging it slowly hard would be a benefit to greats like me

Mate your a paralympic great.

Cant believe this thread is still going on, the amount of vids on you tube proving AI cheating happens+ feedback from people who have played the game for years. Then a few knobcheeses come out with

"Its cos your shit, It never happens to me, Im great"

Pure Knobbery, fuck off.

 

[pesman11]

The truth is that if it were easy to fix these problems the designers would have done so already. I'm sure they are as aware of the imperfections as all the players are but there must be some complications.

Just master the game, even if it's not a perfect representation of real soccer.

 

[shaun7]

I think it's not hard to stop AI cheating and scripted games. Pes 5 had much less of these. This has been the case since we 2007, pes 6. But now, luck is the biggest ever factor.
They can go back to pes 5 in terms of cheating and AI CONTROLED PLAYERS IN YOUR TEAM.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I think it's not hard to stop AI cheating and scripted games. Pes 5 had much less of these. This has been the case since we 2007, pes 6. But now, luck is the biggest ever factor.
They can go back to pes 5 in terms of cheating and AI CONTROLED PLAYERS IN YOUR TEAM.

Even pes 5 had its moments, pes 6 was bad but you could just about get by, pes 2008 was unbearable. And before any fucktwats start talking about how shit we are for noticing when the AI is going to score....On pes 2008 I won ML div 1 and 2 straight away with Juventus on the hardest setting (Very hard-top player i think), then gave the game back cos it was so shit and put pes 6 back in.