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[Luisao82]

I can only summarize it like this: you really need to learn how to defend in this game. because you're obviously one of those guys who still don't got the grips.

The AI has a hard time scoring from FK's, crosses, CK's, Long Shots, Thru Balls, Mazing Runs,.... (you name it!)..... against me.

I can manipulate my players enough to defend (and attack) succesfully most of times.

The only time I let the AI control my player is when a thru pass is made and my last defender is fighting for the ball against an opponent. Other than that, I feel I'm totally in control of my players, and they do what I want them to do.


Also, defending in PES 2012 is being discussed in some other threads. You should investigate for some recommendations and tips. You obviously don't know how to defend in PES 2012. So, first you must learn, then you can criticize.

 

[Makavelian]

I can only summarize it like this: you really need to learn how to defend in this game. because you're obviously one of those guys who still don't got the grips.

The AI has a hard time scoring from FK's, crosses, CK's, Long Shots, Thru Balls, Mazing Runs,.... (you name it!)..... against me.

I can manipulate my players enough to defend (and attack) succesfully most of times.

The only time I let the AI control my player is when a thru pass is made and my last defender is fighting for the ball against an opponent. Other than that, I feel I'm totally in control of my players, and they do what I want them to do.


Also, defending in PES 2012 is being discussed in some other threads. You should investigate for some recommendations and tips. You obviously don't know how to defend in PES 2012. So, first you must learn, then you can criticize.

If your on the pc,come online and i'll show you how bad i am at the game.
People like you annoy me thinking that it's always the users fault because your so good at the game and in no way is the game flawed.

So don't come in here all high and mighty because i was doing very well in ml on superstar with manual pass, what is no easy task with the defaults .I betyou started with Real Madrid didn't you. If your so good at defending in the box to cut out the crosses and tell me the off the ball control is acceptable go and play online. But of course you will have no problem online defending crosses neither because your the best aren't you.

 

[abu97]

You know what, I AM SO ANGRY ABOUT THE STUPID RIDUCLOUS SCRIPTS.
I was AIK versing Bolton, a better team than me. First half I was winning 2-0 with 60% possession then in the last 20 mins I try playing keepball. HOwever, the scripts were so big, my defenders couldn't even recieve passes leading to a goal. Take note that this is a one-legged cup match so if you win, you've progressed to the next round. Then I take kick-off and long ball it to my goalie to play keepball from the centre circle and he just lets it bounce off his leg for a corner. Next thing you know they've scored, 2-2. It was heading for extra time but those idiots had to keep on cheating and ricardo Gardner magically waltzed through all my defenders, shot feinted my keeper and my keeper bought him down and it was a fricking penalty for christ sake.
They score and I take kick-off and it finishes straight away.
This is cheating and it happens when you are beating a team better than you in one-leg and I was so angry I kicked the wall leading to a broken toe.
Thanks KONAMI, you fail miserable when it comes to programming

 

[Sy14]

I really am sorry to hear all of the problems people are facing with this years game. I too am experiencing this playing in my master league and I really have started to generally not give a shit and not even play the game versus AI. I only tend to play mates online or get some of the boys round and organise a mini tournament. Playing the AI after these games seems even worse when the momentum is with your team and you are winning then in the last 10 minutes of a game they turn it on and become football gods. Konami you do know how to make a great game and also mess one up!

 

[Swanee]

Ha im actually feeling worse gettin cheated on my ml than when i found out an old girlfriend cheated on me!! Just played fc twente with liverpool conceded inside 5 mins to a dodgy scripted goal as i wasnt let control my defender buy no harm had plenty of time left......carroll nods in 2 before halftime and neymar dinks 1 on 70 mins so im plain sailing it seems! 87 mins gone twente cross the ball in my defender under no pressure and with me directing the header outfield puts it out for a corner........in comes the corner twente score to make it 3 2......i kick off pass it about and knock a lofted ball back to my cb who sends the tamest of backpass headers back to reina but reina decides its a bullet of a header and palms it over the bar corner comes balls in the net game over!! No scripting in this years ml me arse it riddled with it!!

 

[Luisao82]

If your on the pc,come online and i'll show you how bad i am at the game.
People like you annoy me thinking that it's always the users fault because your so good at the game and in no way is the game flawed.

So don't come in here all high and mighty because i was doing very well in ml on superstar with manual pass, what is no easy task with the defaults .I betyou started with Real Madrid didn't you. If your so good at defending in the box to cut out the crosses and tell me the off the ball control is acceptable go and play online. But of course you will have no problem online defending crosses neither because your the best aren't you.

1. We can arrange an online game, I'm good with that.

2. Actually, I also get quite annoyed by people like you.
And no, the 'always the user's fault' idea is not my thing. And I say that because months ago, I was always complaining online about the numerous flaws of PES 2011... but rightly so, as I focused my complaints on serious blunders like the catch up bug or some idiotic things about the 2011 BAL (like donkey tactics, Barry being played as a SS in Man City or the dumbness of my AI controlled teammates).

3. The AI has it's flaws? No doubt.
But does this means that the human player can't do anything about them, at all? Only if he's a lazy sucker.

4. I never played with Real Madrid. I usually play with Newcastle and Benfica.

5. I don't know about defending crosses online against you. But against my mates, I'm quite succesful at it. I rarely suffer a goal from crosses or CK's.

6. If I'm the best? Not by a mile.
I just can't stand guys who bitch about a specific feature being flawed (like suffering goals from almost every CK), when I know that it's not a flaw of the game... it's their own.

 

[abu97]

It's not our fault if they score corners with my keeper letting it past him in the last minutes eventhough in the first-half when I let in goals from corners I don't mind because it wasn't my keepers fault. And the fact every corner they take and you defend it it goes straight back to them and when I take corners and it gets defended, it goes to the opposition every time. This is clear scripting and whats worse your players don't even try challenging for the ball.

 

[Luisao82]

It's not our fault if they score corners with my keeper letting it past him in the last minutes

I've already said that GK's in PES are one of the main flaws. They simply suck, it's a shame.

And the fact every corner they take and you defend it it goes straight back to them (...) This is clear scripting and whats worse your players don't even try challenging for the ball.

I definitely don't relate to many complaints in here.

When I clear a CK from the AI, it sometimes goes to an adversary, sometimes it goes to one of my players. I even start many counter attacks that way.
It really depends on the situation.

As for players not even trying to challenge for the ball, probably that only happens in the unpatched PC version, or in the PS3 version (anyway, people already know that the PS3 version is a bit fucked up, so arguing anymore about the flaws in that case is kinda pointless.... the PS3 version IS A FLAW).

 

[Rasmus]

I just have to ask you guys: How is it possible in programming to implement a cheat feature, that the cpu team can just turn on as they like?

Sure some crazy shit happens in this version of pes and i've seen insane come backs as well - and made some myself. We never complaint when cpu is 2-0 up and we score the 3-2 winning goal in the 89th minute

 

[abu97]

It's possible as KONAMI could program it like this
'Whenever a CPU os losing to a team worse than them, do your best to score from every ricochet'
It's not a cheat, it's just random scripting.

And btw Luisao, it only happens when you are winning a team better than you in the dying moments. You should notice this mostly in Master League Patch 1.02 on any difficulty

 

[Swanee]

Ive heard its not as bad playing it straight out of the box without the konami updates can anyone confirm or deny this? On ps3 btw! It seems the pc version is the way to go this year!

 

[abu97]

straight out the box has less scripts and superstar doesn't have any so the AI is better in every way. Players are positioned better and it feels more realistic and free. However the keepers are worse than patch 1.02 and you can't play online.

 

[Swanee]

^^^^......i heard that alright about not being able to play online so dont think I'll remove the updates as im intending on breaking my online virginity 2nite now ive a good connection!

 

[Rasmus]

^ Abu is definetely right about the keepers. Even in the latest patch they're absolutely horrible - at both ends of the pitch to be honest. It's a big fat joke. I still see my keeper run kinda sideways when rushing out (triangle button) which was a huge bug in pes 2009 i remember.

 

[abu97]

^ Abu is definetely right about the keepers. Even in the latest patch they're absolutely horrible - at both ends of the pitch to be honest. It's a big fat joke. I still see my keeper run kinda sideways when rushing out (triangle button) which was a huge bug in pes 2009 i remember.

That is a major problem I have- when your keeper rushes out and runs side to the player leaving the player just to run past him. Hate that so much and that is because of the poor keeper positioning

 

[Luisao82]

It's possible as KONAMI could program it like this
'Whenever a CPU os losing to a team worse than them, do your best to score from every ricochet'
It's not a cheat, it's just random scripting.

And btw Luisao, it only happens when you are winning a team better than you in the dying moments. You should notice this mostly in Master League Patch 1.02 on any difficulty

We all have already agreed that the game has it's fair share of scripting.
What I personally don't agree with some other guys is: in which way this cheating unfold.
Some say: it becomes impossible to intercept AI thru balls, AI players become unstoppable or every corner is a goal.
I say: that's BULLSH*T... and I say that because I do intercept AI thru balls, I do stop AI players (even the fastest and more skilled), I manage to clear 80% of the AI CK's and in many games I managed to win with clean sheets.

Like I said before, you guys are probably playing some f***ed up version of PES 2012. And I've already made some recommendations for that matter: try the PC version, apply the latest official patch and use Jenkey's Gameplay Tool.

Ive heard its not as bad playing it straight out of the box without the konami updates can anyone confirm or deny this? On ps3 btw! It seems the pc version is the way to go this year!

The PS3 version is a fail. I've been strongly recommending the PC version to everyone.
The latest official patch doesn't improve the keepers much, but apparently some gameplay issues and it clearly improves AI.
For instance, I found it disappointingly easy to disarm and foresee AI moves/intentions in the straight out of the box. But now (and combined with Jenkey's Gameplay Tool), AI is 'smarter', imprevisible, there's so much more improvement and variety in AI's moves, AI possession play, etc...

As for the scripts/cheats some people whine about, I can only say this to you: I play SUPERSTAR level, and the only considerable cheating I notice is that AI players become a bit more skilled and accurate when the AI needs goals. But as I said before, it doesn't become unstoppable by any means.
Also, read my comments above (on Abu97's quote) for more information on this matter.

 

[Ali]

^ Abu is definetely right about the keepers. Even in the latest patch they're absolutely horrible - at both ends of the pitch to be honest. It's a big fat joke. I still see my keeper run kinda sideways when rushing out (triangle button) which was a huge bug in pes 2009 i remember.

It's kind of the same as the player movement onto through passes - it's poor to say the very least, and completely automated.

 

[Rasmus]

^ Yes it can be strange at times. However i've taken luisaos advice: when cpu is making through balls just do nothing, and your defender will know how to position himself. It's bad that we can't do it ourselves, but it actually works if i don't press anything and let the defender intercept the ball. try it ALI

 

[Ali]

^ Yes it can be strange at times. However i've taken luisaos advice: when cpu is making through balls just do nothing, and your defender will know how to position himself. It's bad that we can't do it ourselves, but it actually works if i don't press anything and let the defender intercept the ball. try it ALI

I thought this years PES was supposed to be about freedom? It's not freedom if your players do it themselves. Is just as bad when you try to play a pass to one of your players. Why Konami have done it this way, I'll never know. Like most things with the gameplay, it's probably just another way to limit the amount of goals you score - instead of making decent AI, they put a load of shit crapness in like this.

 

[Luisao82]

instead of making decent AI, they put a load of shit crapness in like this.

This one sentence kinda makes me wonder whether the rest of your comments deserve some credit or not.

The game is not perfect, but it's far from what you and some other guys are trying to make it out to be.

There's enough freedom in this PES to make it a pleasant game. About the thru balls issue:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=87992

The AI of this game is not sublime but it is very decent and with some flaws, but relatively well scripted. Definitely one of the most captivating, challenging and adaptive, and in some crucial aspects, more human-like than any soccer sim I've played in all my life.

But you talk like if it is a total crap.
Give me a break. Or you're just another PS3 user.