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[kbon]

@Louisao82
amen! =) Just what I was thinking.
I haven't had a single situation where I thought I couldn't have prevented AI from doing whatever they just did. In fact, I probably had about the same amount of situations where I scored and thought "how the hell did I do that". I wouldn't call anything cheating.
Is AI super precise on free-kicks, corner-kicks, passes, timing etc? Yes, it's called "superstar" for a reason. Still, if you sharpen up your mind you can prevent most situations. And those that you can't...take it as the little portion of "reality" that they out in the game

Don't get me wrong, I'm not satisfied with that game. Those are definetly flaws (only have PS3 version) that you can compensate, but still, they are flaws! The user shouldn't need to find out how to balance of the AI flaws, there should simply be no such errors.
Compared to PES2011 there are a lot of improvements, but what really bothers me is that the amount of "wth"-moments is just so much higher. Really frustrating :/

I thought this years PES was supposed to be about freedom?

Where've you read that? ^^ All I know is that this years PES was about "crushing FIFA on gameplay". Not a tiny portion more "freedom" than you had in PES2011 -_-

 

[Ali]

This one sentence kinda makes me wonder whether the rest of your comments deserve some credit or not.

The game is not perfect, but it's far from what you and some other guys are trying to make it out to be.

There's enough freedom in this PES to make it a pleasant game. About the thru balls issue:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=87992

The AI of this game is not sublime but it is very decent and with some flaws, but relatively well scripted. Definitely one of the most captivating, challenging and adaptive, and in some crucial aspects, more human-like than any soccer sim I've played in all my life.

But you talk like if it is a total crap.
Give me a break. Or you're just another PS3 user.

Don't insult me, I know what I'm talking about. I've been a PES player for over 10 yrs, and in MY, opinion PES 2012 is the worst yet.
You say the AI is well scripted.... well it shouldn't be, it should be intelligent enough to not be scripted. You see sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many things in PES matches that you would never (NEVER) see in a proper professional football match. It's laughably bad at times, and for me I just can't see how anybody can call it a good game. Sure, it can be fun at times when playing multiplayer, but technically speaking it's a fucking shambles.

 

[Luisao82]

Dude, in which sentence did I insult you? :/


As for a game being scripted, do you actually know a game that ISN'T scripted to a certain extent?! Even on situations were you have more than one possible outcome, all that happens was written to be that way.

The difference is that some games have more varied and complex scripts and others a more simplistic and arcadey.
Relatively to other soccer sims I've played, PES 2012 (at least the PC version), is well-scripted, well designed and satisfying.

Also, read kbon's post. Even though he plays a f**** up version of PES 2012 (PS3), he can still notice some positives in this game.
Makes me wonder, why the hell can't you only see negative things about it.

 

[Ali]

Dude, in which sentence did I insult you? :/


As for a game being scripted, do you actually know a game that ISN'T scripted to a certain extent?! Even on situations were you have more than one possible outcome, all that happens was written to be that way.

The difference is that some games have more varied and complex scripts and others a more simplistic and arcadey.
Relatively to other soccer sims I've played, PES 2012 (at least the PC version), is well-scripted, well designed and satisfying.

Also, read kbon's post. Even though he plays a f**** up version of PES 2012 (PS3), he can still notice some positives in this game.
Makes me wonder, why the hell can't you only see negative things about it.

Well you questioned my PES knowledge. This is a great insult in my culture :realmad:

What version of the game are you playing? If it is the XBox version, than it can't really be any different than ps3, if it's the PC version then fair enough.

I think this years version of PES is the most scripted yet, this being my opinion. To me, it is quite blatant to the extent that I can spot about 90% of the AI goals coming before they get near my box. I can spot a lot of the goals coming in multiplayer too.... even for myself.

There are some positives, but they're through and far between for me, and the negatives outweigh them.

I've never been a PES hater before, and I would say that I'm still not one now, because I'm trying to like the game.... just finding it very hard to.

 

[Luisao82]

Well you questioned my PES knowledge. This is a great insult in my culture :realmad:

Sorry. I didn't mean to insult you.

What version of the game are you playing? If it is the XBox version, than it can't really be any different than ps3, if it's the PC version then fair enough.

I always play the PC versions.

To me, it is quite blatant to the extent that I can spot about 90% of the AI goals coming before they get near my box.

Then the PS3 version is really scripted in a more primitive way.
In the PC version, the AI will score from one attacking situation... but I'm well capable of stopping him for the next 10 similar situations.
No 'scripted events' there for me.

I think this years version of PES is the most scripted yet, this being my opinion.

There are some positives, but they're through and far between for me, and the negatives outweigh them.

Though I completely disagree, I'll respect your opinion.

 

[Ali]

Sorry. I didn't mean to insult you.

I always play the PC versions.

Then the PS3 version is really scripted in a more primitive way.
In the PC version, the AI will score from one attacking situation... but I'm well capable of stopping him for the next 10 similar situations.
No 'scripted events' there for me.

Though I completely disagree, I'll respect your opinion.

The thing with the scripting, is that those who aren't "clued in" will always argue that there is no scripting, whilst those that are clued in, will always argue that it is blatant. Maybe it's different on PC because you can get decent fan-made patches and the like.

PES ha been scripted for a long time, it first became obvious during the ps2 days. When you've been playing it that long, you tend to notice the signs. What was the first PES/ISS game you played?

 

[Luisao82]

Read this:

As for a game being scripted, do you actually know a game that ISN'T scripted to a certain extent?! Even on situations were you have more than one possible outcome, all that happens was written to be that way.

Relatively to other soccer sims I've played, PES 2012 (at least the PC version), is well-scripted, well designed

How can you say that I argued that PES 2012 is script-free, when I clearly hinted that EVERY game has some scripting on it?
PES 2 was my first PES ever (it was class, BTW), but that's hardly relevant.
Even if I started from PES 2012, I would still have the same ability to identify a badly scripted game and a well scripted and more dynamic game.

 

[Ali]

Read this:



How can you say that I argued that PES 2012 is script-free, when I clearly hinted that EVERY game has some scripting on it?
PES 2 was my first PES ever, but that's hardly relevant.
Even if I started from PES 2012, I would still have the same ability to identify a badly scripted game from a well scripted and more dynamic game.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, because this is just gonna go round in circles. I think PES 2012 is a shit but occasionally enjoyable game, you think it is a good and mostly (always?) enjoyable game.

 

[fick]

Well you questioned my PES knowledge. This is a great insult in my culture :realmad:

Ali, my dear pal, you're from Bolton. There is no culture there

 

[Ali]

Ali, my dear pal, you're from Bolton. There is no culture there

Two words - Vernon... Kaye.

*Snaps fingers, flicks head back, turns around and walks away in a rather camp fashion.*

 

[Valmighty]

The only thing the CPU cheat is unlimited money and no fatigue from international matches. Other than that, no.

 

[abu97]

The only thing the CPU cheat is unlimited money and no fatigue from international matches. Other than that, no.

What console and difficulty do you play on?
Also, do you play master league or are you judging this based on exhibition matches?

 

[Swanee]

Hey guys about the scripting/cheating ive been fairly critical about it on this forum and rightfully so in my eyes coz i know what i saw when playing my ml! However i started a new ml a days ago and played on pro level to give it 1 last shot until hopefully a patch comes out to fix it!! Anyway my 1st half of the season i could honestly feel frustrated and hard done by by scripting but i continued on playin anyway! Now since then im 3 games away from the end of season and in that 2nd half of it ive barely noticed any bar maybe 2 games! Its been a joy to say the least! Now i dont know why its not as rife anymore if its coz of playing on pro level or what but theres rarely been late man utd like comebacks no last min goals and even the cpu misses free kicks!! Im confused yet happy i just hope it stays this way!

 

[Rasmus]

^ They announced an upcoming patch, so hopefully it will not only contain 3 pair of new boots and some stadiums

 

[Valmighty]

What console and difficulty do you play on?
Also, do you play master league or are you judging this based on exhibition matches?

8 years of ML in top player difficulty. PS3.

Also the FORM skill has no/minimum effects, unlike the predecessor.

 

[abu97]

8 years of ml in top player difficulty. Ps3.

Also the form skill has no/minimum effects, unlike the predecessor.

whaat?
Top player has the most scripts

 

[HWRyan]

The AI teams do in a way cheat, but not as you mentioned above. They don't cheat on field, they cheat off field, in an indirect way against you. Let me explain:

When playing ML and BAL you can qualify to the CL or the EL with your team. Has anyone noticed that clubs from the "Other European Teams" section (Bayern München, Zenith, Shakhtar Donetsk) simply cannot win or draw against teams from the full leagues(EPL, Serie A, PES League etc.)? I haven' seen this bug mentioned anywhere above.
So if one of the Champions League Groups has Rio Ave, Shakhtar, Bayern and Zenith, the group will always be won by Rio Ave with 18 points, because none of the 3 teams (or any other from their section for that matter) can't get a single f****** point against a team from one of the big leagues. Never ever. It just kills realism. Is there any way to change it...?

 

[abu97]

The AI teams do in a way cheat, but not as you mentioned above. They don't cheat on field, they cheat off field, in an indirect way against you. Let me explain:

When playing ML and BAL you can qualify to the CL or the EL with your team. Has anyone noticed that clubs from the "Other European Teams" section (Bayern München, Zenith, Shakhtar Donetsk) simply cannot win or draw against teams from the full leagues(EPL, Serie A, PES League etc.)? I haven' seen this bug mentioned anywhere above.
So if one of the Champions League Groups has Rio Ave, Shakhtar, Bayern and Zenith, the group will always be won by Rio Ave with 18 points, because none of the 3 teams (or any other from their section for that matter) can't get a single f****** point against a team from one of the big leagues. Never ever. It just kills realism. Is there any way to change it...?

No wonder I always drew matches with Genk in the D2 league - if what you say is true, which I wouldn't be surprised about anyway, KONAMI need to fix up.
I got forced to start another master league with the default team because all my matches were 1-1 draws

 

[Formaggio]

HWRyan,yes, that's the way it works. It's pretty twisted.

Hard to believe this is what they created. So poorly done. Someday this game will get taken in the right direction by people that know what they are doing.

You'd think that the people who make football games would want to make the most realistic game possible. I used to play the sport for years. This has to be the most unrealistic football game you could ever create. It's as if they know nothing about the sport. Though i'm sure they are true fans of the game, they cannot for the life of them translate their love for the sport to the computer screen.

Since there are only 2 football simulation games out there to purchase, that makes this the worst football simulation on the market.

 

[luketu]

I just rage quit and then rage sold pes 2012 on ebay. i9 was furious with the scripting.

I battered swansea as man utd then they scored a free kick 1st shot on target, all my players in the wall jumped except the one who the ball went over, and my player on the line DUCKED so the ball went in.

maybe next year they wont fuck it up