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shaun7

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^It couldn't be simpler than that.
A football sim without individuality is not a sim at all no matter how good other things are. I am not saying that just because pes has individuality, it is a sim because individuality is a big part of football but there are other things that define football aswell. But individuality is a pretty big part. Everyone is different. That's why every coach will adapt into every team and change tactics every game.
 

PES 4eva

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Fifa is not realistic and has never been and never will be a game which feels REAL..... You know that thrilling feeling you get when scoring a goal in PES 4,5,6,, fifa does not have it

.... for one to say fifa is more realistic than pes.. well its absolotely crazy talk. no player differences.... no goal variation.... top corner crackers are easily scored... disgusting graphics.... extremely small pitches..... no atmosphere whatsoever.... horrendous commentating.... baloon-like ball physics..... i can go on and on

PES Provides buzz and excitement into evry game and its soo unpredictable. sure it has its flaws with robotic dribbling but other than that Its fantastic. if anything the reason why pes dominates fifa is bcoz of the realism and sheer excitement when playing pes matches. fifa has not and never will provide such excitement into their games. FIFA is a joke and people like Tech skill ( grade A douchebag lowlife dick head) can jump of a cliff and never come back on these forums :realmad:
 

Desijut

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Using 2 players to score or set up a freekick.

I wish there was somebody on this forum with a ps3 who wants to play and i will show what i'm talking about..

I have ps3, add me, you seem okay, psn is my username

I only found out how to use the second player properly, lay up then shoot, second player shoots, it's brilliant.

I knew about R2 and square have you tried holding R2 and dribble?

i use the arrows for attacking in edit position a lot, it helps
 

Dragonfly

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Fifa is not realistic and has never been and never will be a game which feels REAL..... You know that thrilling feeling you get when scoring a goal in PES 4,5,6,, fifa does not have it

.... for one to say fifa is more realistic than pes.. well its absolotely crazy talk. no player differences.... no goal variation.... top corner crackers are easily scored... disgusting graphics.... extremely small pitches..... no atmosphere whatsoever.... horrendous commentating.... baloon-like ball physics..... i can go on and on

PES Provides buzz and excitement into evry game and its soo unpredictable. sure it has its flaws with robotic dribbling but other than that Its fantastic. if anything the reason why pes dominates fifa is bcoz of the realism and sheer excitement when playing pes matches. fifa has not and never will provide such excitement into their games. FIFA is a joke and people like Tech skill ( grade A douchebag lowlife dick head) can jump of a cliff and never come back on these forums :realmad:

To be honest, they both have wide variations of goal scoring. It's just that it seems that most people find one style of play and stick to it. I try to play differently each game, according to the team I pick. In the 2009 versions of FIFA and PES, FIFA has the more fluid football engine, meaning you can play a more realistic match. However, you will find people picking Ronaldo...I mean Man Utd or Portugal, pass it to him and run. That applies to both games.

FIFA09's match engine is much more realistic to PES2009 and I remember Seabass coveting FIFA's engine. In the past, yes, PES has always been number one to true football gaming fans, but you've got to admit that PES2009 is nowhere near close to being good enough. I've tried playing it after playing FIFA for the past six months, and could not stick to it. The gameplay is way too rigid and unresponsive. I thought PES2008 was good, but not the best, and to see Konami take a step backwards was a disappointing surprise.

Playing PES2009, I've scored some good teamwork goals, as well as long-distance crackers. That's also the case in FIFA09. I've played plenty of exciting matches on both games, off-line and online (not PES2009 online, though, for obvious reason).

I wonder if you've actually played either PES2009 or FIFA09, when you criticise FIFA for no player differences, no goal differences, small pitches, no atmosphere and poor commentating. The player differences may not be as clear as PES, appearance wise, but in terms of movement, style and skill, there isn't much difference between any players. You just have the odd number of players that can do tricks others can't. Maybe it's just me, but the pitches don't seem small at all. If they're small in FIFA09, then they're small on PES2009. The atmosphere in both games is underwhelming, but more distinctive in FIFA; and the commentating in both is pretty poor. However, I do like Lawro's nonsensical comments. Nothing is going to beat Barry Davies on Actua Soccer, though. The variety in his script was immense.

I do, however, agree that the long balls are too floaty on FIFA. The best game for variations of long balls was ISS3 on the GameCube. You could hit long, driven balls, akin to Gerrard and Beckham. There were even certain players that could put loads of backspin on long balls, so that they don't run out of reach of the player they're intended for. It's a shame that wasn't utilised in other football games.

Playing PES2009, I've scored some good teamwork goals, as well as long-distance crackers. That's also the case in FIFA09. I've played plenty of exciting matches on both games, off-line and online (not PES2009 online, though, for obvious reason).

The bottom line is, the gamers make the game. If you want to play a more realistic brand of football, you can, but it was much more difficult in PES2009. I don't know how many times I've said this, but if FIFA09 had PES2009's Master League and BAL, it would have been my favourite football game of all time.
 

john4

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Fifa is not realistic and has never been and never will be a game which feels REAL..... You know that thrilling feeling you get when scoring a goal in PES 4,5,6,, fifa does not have it

.... for one to say fifa is more realistic than pes.. well its absolotely crazy talk. no player differences.... no goal variation.... top corner crackers are easily scored... disgusting graphics.... extremely small pitches..... no atmosphere whatsoever.... horrendous commentating.... baloon-like ball physics..... i can go on and on

PES Provides buzz and excitement into evry game and its soo unpredictable. sure it has its flaws with robotic dribbling but other than that Its fantastic. if anything the reason why pes dominates fifa is bcoz of the realism and sheer excitement when playing pes matches. fifa has not and never will provide such excitement into their games. FIFA is a joke and people like Tech skill ( grade A douchebag lowlife dick head) can jump of a cliff and never come back on these forums :realmad:

hmm, most of your points i agree with but ive gotta call you on some. i have hardly ever scored a top corner cracker on fifa, like everybody says the goal variation lacks in the game, leaving you empty after a great passing move when the finish is just well the same as every other goal. i would say the graphics from a distance are better than pes but close up pes owns, the fifa players look like retarded versions of themselves.i wouldnt say PES creates much atmosphere either. i wouldnt say PES has better commentating than FIFA at all, but after a weeks of play i just listen to music instead. i think if they could put fifas short passing into PES we would have a great game. both need work on their long balls though
 

neb51

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a question aren't these videos that we have seen at gamescom old and don't include 360 movement or some of the new features?
 

shankly is god

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hmm, most of your points i agree with but ive gotta call you on some. i have hardly ever scored a top corner cracker on fifa, like everybody says the goal variation lacks in the game, leaving you empty after a great passing move when the finish is just well the same as every other goal. i would say the graphics from a distance are better than pes but close up pes owns, the fifa players look like retarded versions of themselves.i wouldnt say PES creates much atmosphere either. i wouldnt say PES has better commentating than FIFA at all, but after a weeks of play i just listen to music instead. i think if they could put fifas short passing into PES we would have a great game. both need work on their long balls though

I have its quite easy..easy you run and double tap your shoot button..or on a free kick you hold LB (xbox for e.g.) hold shoot till you get enough power then at last second hold up on the analogue stick...

but anyway yer I get you when you score a goal in fifa even if its a cracker your just like hm ok move on.. no sense of achievement at all...

for passion i remember pes 5 very well be it on my own against or with a mate when you string passes together or make a long ball you feel like wow i just did that, like you feel very rewarded and if you scored an awesome goal well...the place is in ruptures!

i just want the passion back in a pes title a real sense of achievement when playing...
 

Tech_Skill

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FIFA09's match engine is much more realistic to PES2009 and I remember Seabass coveting FIFA's engine. In the past, yes, PES has always been number one to true football gaming fans, but you've got to admit that PES2009 is nowhere near close to being good enough. I've tried playing it after playing FIFA for the past six months, and could not stick to it.
ot PES2009 online, though, for obvious reason).

I wonder if you've actually played either PES2009 or FIFA09, when you criticise FIFA for no player differences, no goal differences, small pitches, no atmosphere and poor commentating.

Honestly its a joke, you got a bunch of guys who dont actually know what they are talking about putting their foot in it time and time again with farcial statements which are clearly not true, even about pes. I mean if im from EA like people believe, I really shouldnt have to be educating people about why teamvision doesnt work or telling people that PES is scripted and CPU assisted.

Also

Fucking seabass loves that fifa engine and said he would consider using it!, so that logcially ends any shitalk about the 'realism' of pes.

But lets leave it there.

All you got is a bunch of guys Jizzing over below par vidoes, the feedback forums gonna be hilarious when they are cramming it with stuff that needs changing.

I mean the fact some these guys believe konami are showing 50% codes at gamescom says it all.

Some of them even think Konami spent 3 years on the game we are currently seeing.

I mean, I wont even bother telling them that seabass statement about the code being a 'month old' apparently comes from a website known for hoaxes and even guys on WENB last were refusing to validate that rubbish. (Who knows, maybe since then we have concrete proof this is true)

Just pathetic all the way around, Konami are releasing polished turds every year and the same old chumps just sit there and take it year after year, then get upset when someone stands up and says enough is enough.

Rant over.
 

02mike

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From the videos I've seen so far, the players still do those ridiculously sharp turns. This would improve the game in so many ways in terms of realism. Konami sort it out!!!!! :realmad::realmad::realmad::realmad:
 

Tech_Skill

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aha your such a nob

Coming from a guy who posted that 360 movement might not even be in the videos we are seeing......

So you would backup a company that makes a big announcement at games convention about all this new features.......

But then shows a code a month old with the features removed from the game.

And you think you can insult other people.

If it this was Rockstar and they made a big announcement about a new game engine for GTA V at a big games conference, then showed GTA on PS2, most sane individuals would say, that is fucking stupid.....not pes though, thats different, logic doesnt count for fans of that series.

LMAO.
 

iosonocanadese

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lol... is this your daily pattern?

Wake up, eat, troll for 12 hours, sleep, repeat?

When did Seabass say he wanted to buttfuck FIFA? He said he thought it was a good game in an interview, that's all I saw. Never did he say he wished he'd made it.

What you have to see is that this game is incomplete. What I like about the vids, as I've said about 80 billion times, is that the AI looks good and player movement looks more realistic in my opinion than any FIFA or PES I've seen before.

In FIFA there are set ways to score, and you can do them over and over again; and the reason it gets boring so quickly is because the game forces you into patterns of play, and eventually every match starts feeling the same. Trying to play an Italian-style slow buildup in an online mach is an exercise in futility because it can be defeated by some n00b who just holds a and sprint constantly when off the ball and then runs down the wing when he gets it. PES has a bit of that too, but it's only the 'take the path of least resistance and try to play as un-realistically as possible because I've never actually kicked a ball myself' who use them. PES allows for more variation in gameplay and in every ISS/PES game I've played it's been that way.
 

shaun7

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Honestly its a joke, you got a bunch of guys who dont actually know what they are talking about putting their foot in it time and time again with farcial statements which are clearly not true, even about pes. I mean if im from EA like people believe, I really shouldnt have to be educating people about why teamvision doesnt work or telling people that PES is scripted and CPU assisted.

Also

Fucking seabass loves that fifa engine and said he would consider using it!, so that logcially ends any shitalk about the 'realism' of pes.

It doesn't mean fifa is more realistic. It means that he could probably do more than he currently is, if he has that engine. However it doesn't mean that fifa is more realistic.

Just pathetic all the way around, Konami are releasing polished turds every year and the same old chumps just sit there and take it year after year, then get upset when someone stands up and says enough is enough.
STFU man. You are really annoying me now. Why the fuck didn't you say anything about fifa 10's negatives? Why? You always comment on pes' negatives not fifa's. I know fifa has good animations, actually great but come one, they haven't improved one of those negatives I mentioned making it just a polished 09 version. And If someone can say the truth, you all know that fifa 09 wasn't realistic because of the negative points about it (the ones I mentioned aren't small issues).

If it this was Rockstar and they made a big announcement about a new game engine for GTA V at a big games conference, then showed GTA on PS2, most sane individuals would say, that is fucking stupid.....not pes though, thats different, logic doesnt count for fans of that series.
Rockstar are much bigger and better than konami and EA combined.
 

neb51

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the thing is that we only thought we were getting 16 way movement until like 2 weeks ago. So maybe they didn't have time to implement these new features into a demo for gamescom. If they had it might of looked rushed and more disappointing.
 

shankly is god

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Coming from a guy who posted that 360 movement might not even be in the videos we are seeing......

So you would backup a company that makes a big announcement at games convention about all this new features.......

But then shows a code a month old with the features removed from the game.

And you think you can insult other people.

If it this was Rockstar and they made a big announcement about a new game engine for GTA V at a big games conference, then showed GTA on PS2, most sane individuals would say, that is fucking stupid.....not pes though, thats different, logic doesnt count for fans of that series.

LMAO.

Tech just listern to your self your acting as if its the end of the world man...

Its only a game that yes we want it to be realistic but its a video game..i suggest you read over all the narrow minded posts you have ever made and realize you speaking about a video game which is essentially entertainment...

you have proven what type of person you are time and time again and i cant believe i ever stood up for you....seriously i think its time you now use your log off button...

good day to you
 

Tech_Skill

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and player movement looks more realistic in my opinion than any FIFA or PES I've seen before.

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Your really outdoing yourself for stupidest comment on a gaming forum right now.

Shaun7..........once again, doesnt understand basic logic, but he'll be back in a min with another stupidly long paragraph about something completely unrelated to the question.

What does rockstar being bigger than konami, have to do with a company announcing new major news features at a games conferance to the press and then displaying videos of codes that have none of the features in it????

Duhhhhhhhh, can-you-see-that-is-stu-pid?

Que: A zillion responses missing the point, blabbing on about "Tech what about the flaws in fifa 94?? pes iz da besss"
 

shaun7

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Tech, simple logic is what I posted. I guess if you say I didn't understand then it's your problem not mine. You are the one that can't understand so go and learn some basic english but until you do, GOODBYE.
As for rockstar. Being bigger and better means better games come out. SIMPLE LOGIC.
 

Tech_Skill

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Typical Q and A with people who cant get basic concepts.

I ask a simple question about pes......(no mention of the other game)


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What does rockstar being bigger than konami, have to do with a company announcing new major news features at a games conferance to the press and then displaying videos of codes that have none of the features in it????

Duhhhhhhhh, can-you-see-that-is-stu-pid?

This is what comes back, totally missing the point....as usual.

Tech, simple logic is what I posted. I guess if you say I didn't understand then it's your problem not mine. You are the one that can't understand so go and learn some basic english but until you do, GOODBYE.
As for rockstar. Being bigger and better means better games come out. SIMPLE LOGIC.

Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Company instead shows old builds with hardly any of the gameplay changes promised.

You cant see the issue with that?


......................
 

Perfectstrik

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Wow! Been gone for nearly a day and this thread has totally exploded. Unfortunately into the classic PES vs FIFA...

Now, I highlighted the statement above because something about it struck me. This is the way I understood what you're saying here Perfectstrike - and please correct me if I'm wrong:
People are choosing PES now instead of FIFA because it's more true as an arcade game, whereas FIFA is too serious (realistic?)?
You see; that's why a lot of us old guys chose PES instead of FIFA back when ISS Pro Evo came out on the PSX. FIFA was too arcade'ish whereas PES seemed more lifelike.
It's funny that most of the guys who logged on to this forum back in 2003, have actually converted - in a more or less way - over to FIFA after the '09 installment. Mainly because they now feel that PES has become the arcade sprint-fest and FIFA has become more simulation'ish.

I admit that I've choosen FIFA for the first time ever this year (09-version) mainly because of the much better animation all around (soo many great small details happening all over the pitch animation wise during a game). I totally loved the way the players jostled for the ball when running side by side. But most importantly: Playing a game with everything set on manual (or even semi) was something so profoundly new to me personally, that I felt it was kind of a small revolution to football games.
Honestly now! How many of you in here, who are saying that FIFA is the same game and it's sooo easy to score - has actually tried playing with settings set for full manual?
Guys I'm not trying to defend FIFA vs PES here. Please keep it sober if you choose to answer this post.

Admittedly the biggest downside to FIFA is the cpu AI and most notably the individual player likelyness. It's true that there is no difference when passing with Iniesta or Xavi compared to a regular danish defender from the danish league, when the setting is on manual.
PES has always been far better than FIFA in that department and by the looks of things, they are surely cruising they way steadily toward widening that gab even further with the '10 installment.

Another post that really struck me (which I can't find right now - sorry) is someone posting, that PES is now going backward to building upon an older build (PES6 I believe?) to make this years game better that the last 2 years installments...
Well, in my ears, that doesn't very much like evolution? How come that FIFA is able to build something new to become a better game and PES has to go backwards in their progamming just to make a decent game? Again - not meant as a statement that one game is better than the other - just meant as a question?

As I see it both games are eaqually good. It's really just a matter of taste and what you prefer. None of the two current games are rubbish (anybody saying either game i rubbish is bordering fanboy'ishm) and neither game is stunningly perfect.
I chose FIFA this year also because I basically got angry at how lazy Konami had got. I mean, look how slowly they've been evolving and perfecting their game these last 3-4 years compared to FIFA, who litteraly has been a steamtrain run wild in building their game into something better than what it was. One can argue that their game still isn't as good as Konami's. But one can't deny the fact how much better FIFA has become compared to their own franchise!

Two years ago it was unthinkable haveing a discussion about which game was better. Back then it was a no contest - and the FIFA players knew it. PES was king. So just the fact that we have had a discussion about which game is better now over I can't remember how many hundred posts is evidence that the gab between the two games now, is so small, that it's really a matter of what you prefer and no longer a matter if the other game is utter rubbish.

For us who are just footballfans are in for a treat. There'll be two great footiegames out this year.[/QUOTE







Fifa09 is in know way a realistic interpretation of football it feels like your playing football on the moon and gives the user a sense of detachment from the protagnists he is controlling on the pitch and feels very artificial and cold.

The pace is slow and the gameplay is un-rewarding and just because you have more button commands it doesnt mean that the game is more simulated.Like it or not theres something just not quite right with fifa it just doesnt have the essence of real football its almost like your playing it through a vaselined camera or frosted glass.


As for pes08-09 there not quite the failures you or many others believe nor are they arcade games,they just remain true to being a game in the same way gran turismo does against more po faced simulations like GTR4 on the pc.

Football is a very simple game the works on three basic principles-passing-response-movement and pes at its core hits these three very basic requirements in a football game.

For me fifa is heading in the wrong direction and a very western one focusing on the wrong elements of football that might on the surface to you and many others be more realistic and give you the illusion of simulation but infact are not requirements to make a pleasurable and enjoyable football game.

Back in 1996 konami pioneered on the n64 one of the deepest and most simulated football series they have ever made ISS or perfect striker as it was called in japan.These games focused on total user control and a deep yet natural and logical control set that to this day has still not been bettered and is still light years ahead of both fifa and pes in the way these games offered a acessible game for a newbie but almost unparalled depth for the hardcore user.Not only this but this series had 360 movement and passing and super smooth and responsive player control.

Over the course of the last two years konami has been trying to marry pes with ISS but due to the restrictions and limitations of the ps2 pes gameplay ie restrictive 8-axis movement,passing,shooting and com assistance what we have experienced thus far has felt glitchy and very automated.

This year will be very different as despite what people think 360 movement and passing on a 360 degree plain is the missing element that will re-energize the gameplay and give us the user passing and movement angles we have never experienced in a pes game.It has not been bolted on at the last minute nor is it something that has not been thoroughly tested,konami have been working on this element for two years and it was not on show fully in the gamescom code.

Not only this but there is alot of stuff like tricks and a newer animation set that konami are quite rightly holding back from public viewing at the moment because it is in the process of being finetuned.

Over the course of the next month all will be revealed and i guarantee you,you will not be playing fifa10 this year........the king is back but better then you ever imagined it.
 
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