The Master League Experiences Thread
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A bit like Newcastle beating Liverpool 2-0 yesterday with only one shot on target then. And Liverpool having a perfectly good goal ruled offside.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34956599
I'm sure some people on here would have a field day if that happened to them about scripting and lack of realism. :tongue:
These things happen more than you think.
Even though football games are meant to be simulators, I don't really think it should simulate all of the inadequacies of the actual real life game of football such as refereeing human errors.
At the end of the day, game makers are making a game for enjoyment. Adding some arbitrary random error into the game and calling it real life simulation adds nothing to the game play. It's like having a computer game and saying the character must micromanage and eat 3 meals a day or die. It'll be a pretty realistic game, but a shit game.
Ali
It is happening again
Hang on... which is the highest difficulty again?
SportGameFan
Registered User
It's weird, I score easily on 'Top Player', that much is true... but I also concede like crazy. On 'Superstar', my goalkeeper performs better, and I find it easier to defend in general.
I should have explained that- it certainly isn't easier to find scoring opportunities on 'Superstar.' I have the same goalkeeper, but he was absolutely crap on 'Top Player'- and this is after the latest patch installed.
I should have explained that- it certainly isn't easier to find scoring opportunities on 'Superstar.' I have the same goalkeeper, but he was absolutely crap on 'Top Player'- and this is after the latest patch installed.
matthewjohn85
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Ali
It is happening again
I can't find any differences with the gameplay.
No you're right they don't. And I've never had a 5-5 in PES 2016.
I was finding it way too easy on Top Player. I had to drop the match time from 10 mins to 7 to give myself any chance of failure. Then I realised that to have a challenge I had to go up to SuperStar. On Top Player, I could always go up the other end and force a goal if I needed one as Liverpool against any team, which certainly isn't the case in SuperStar.
Ah, I wasn't suggesting that Linesman errors should be included in the game. I was more pointing out that it isn't totally unrealistic for a football match to have more goals than shots on target. Yesterday, was a classic example. I was certainly fearing the worst the other day when facing my nemesis team Chelsea, with Oblak on purple arrow down form and my backup out injured. Oddly he saved about 6 shots and he deserved more than the 1-0 defeat we got. Derby matches are annoying. Yes the goal was a one on one low into the bottom corner.
SuperStar
I found I was still sorting the defence out during those early days, but also was quite lazy in defending, as I knew I could waltz back up the other end and get a winner in Top Player. I've not played that level since the recent update. The notes state that Team Spirit has now been applied for keepers since the update, which sort of implies it wasn't before.
A question for those conceding loads of goals : Is your keeper a defensive one or an aggressive/sweeper one? Oblak is defensive with can be annoying as hell when he doesn't run out half the time that you hold down triangle, but he does seem to make lots of saves for me. I'm wondering if the trade-off for a good sweeper-keeper is poor shot stopping?
SportGameFan
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You could well be right about defending early on- I've only been playing again for about a week, I was pretty disillusioned with the game up until the last few days or so.
I'm starting to enjoy most aspects of the game (full manual/'superstar')- and my team doesn't concede many goals per game. I lost my last game 2-1- and it was pretty farcical how the CPU team won really: AGAIN- both goals were casual, slotted shots into the bottom corner of the goal- one at 86 minutes, one in the 92nd (of a total of 92 minutes). I'm playing 13 minute matches.
I don't know how other people are seeing a variety of CPU goals, I keep seeing the same old goals from the CPU! I even played one regular League Mode game for comparison, same goal from another CPU team!
I'm starting to enjoy most aspects of the game (full manual/'superstar')- and my team doesn't concede many goals per game. I lost my last game 2-1- and it was pretty farcical how the CPU team won really: AGAIN- both goals were casual, slotted shots into the bottom corner of the goal- one at 86 minutes, one in the 92nd (of a total of 92 minutes). I'm playing 13 minute matches.
I don't know how other people are seeing a variety of CPU goals, I keep seeing the same old goals from the CPU! I even played one regular League Mode game for comparison, same goal from another CPU team!
matthewjohn85
Registered User
Fifa 16 didn't live up to the hype then
SportGameFan
Registered User
Touché! It was great until they unleashed the 1.03 version patch...
rebelinho
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The White Knights, Part 2
In the previous episode: Liga BBVA welcomes a rejuvenated Real Madrid
In the previous episode: Liga BBVA welcomes a rejuvenated Real Madrid
And it's on! Liga BBVA 2015/2016 begins, and the players sure are full of confidence on a successful campaign. Not for long though.
After 10 matches Real Madrid were the worst defence of the league with over 15 goals conceeded, but also a very cool 37 goals scored (these numbers were made up, but are likely close to the real ones). Nevertheless Real was first in the title race, with Barcelona just behind with 2 points less.
Halfway through the season there were clear signs of whether the renovation the cub hand undergone was working. Perhaps the clearest of them all were the second place in the league (2 points behind favourites FC Barcelona), first place in the UEFA Champions League group stage (16 points, above Chelsea with 12), and some smashing wins in Copa del Rey (18-4 vs Mallorca and 7-1 vs Rayo Vallecano).
Regarding the players, one was recurring in newspapers headlines. With the waves of injuries forever hitting Madrid beaches, only Sergi Darder escaped dry. Playing either as a holding midfielder, a box-to-box or a deep-lying playmaker, he thrived while others watched from the sideline.
Key piece on a well-oiled machine.
January saw the likes of Deulofeu (brought to keep the squad competitive upfront, with Jesé's injury the numbers were short), Manquillo, Varane and Laporte (fulcral player in the much better defensive displays on the second half of the season) join in, with Pepe and Gerts Bells leaving los blancos. Hopes were high, and so was squad cohesion.
Neves' mentality helped him hit a purple patch.
The second half of the season was just as good. Defensively Real was much better, conceeding around half the goals of the first half, and the attack kept flowing. The latter was probably due to Morata's injury, which gave more time to Paco Alcácer to step on the pitch and work his magic. Muniain and Jesé (when fit) on the sides, helped by Tello, Mina and Deulofeu, proved a real threat to the opposition.
After clashes with SL Benfica and Atl. Madrid for the UEFA Champions League, Real Madrid saw themselves going up to league leaders (tied with the catalonians) after Barcelona's draw. This was a few days before the derby for Copa del Rey semifinals. Two balanced games eventually tipped to los blancos side, with a 5-3 aggregated win.
Closing in on the final sprint of the season, Real was on Copa del Rey final, same in the european competitions, and approaching the last league game tied in first with Barcelona with 102 points.
Copa del Rey final vs Atl. Madrid
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Liga BBVA final fixture vs FC Barcelona
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UEFA Champions League final vs FC Bayern Munich
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Liga BBVA final fixture vs FC Barcelona
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UEFA Champions League final vs FC Bayern Munich
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As this is already getting long enough, I'll end with...
Next update will have season statistics, squad evaluation and market approach for the next season.
Oh, and sorry for the shitty quality of the videos. I spent more than a week trying to undo the shit I've done. Long story short, I got it figured out now.
With conceding goals, I get something like the following :-
25% : Through balls leading to one on ones with low shots placed into the corners.
5% : Pinpoint passing down the middle, leading to low shots placed into the corners.
15% : Worked down the wing, with a pass to the striker, leading to low shots placed into the corners.
10% : Rebounds off the keeper that are tapped in.
10% : Header from wing or corner.
33% : Messy momentum body tangling battles on edge of box or inside it, leading to a purely random variant of shot.
2% : Being lobbed if I've let the red mist descend and sent the keeper out too far. The AI is good at catching you on those. These are vary rare, but only because I've learned some restraint. LOL
Attacking, I score all sorts of goals. Headers, goal mouth scrambles, long range drives, tap-ins from keeper parries, dribbles into the box to shoot.
25% : Through balls leading to one on ones with low shots placed into the corners.
5% : Pinpoint passing down the middle, leading to low shots placed into the corners.
15% : Worked down the wing, with a pass to the striker, leading to low shots placed into the corners.
10% : Rebounds off the keeper that are tapped in.
10% : Header from wing or corner.
33% : Messy momentum body tangling battles on edge of box or inside it, leading to a purely random variant of shot.
2% : Being lobbed if I've let the red mist descend and sent the keeper out too far. The AI is good at catching you on those. These are vary rare, but only because I've learned some restraint. LOL
Attacking, I score all sorts of goals. Headers, goal mouth scrambles, long range drives, tap-ins from keeper parries, dribbles into the box to shoot.
OK, latest update ...
Played about 6 matches today. Lost the first to derby rivals Crystal Palace 1-0. That knocked us off the very recently gained top spot in the league. Man City re-took pole position. Scraped wins going forward and finally retook top spot about 4 matches later. Then faced Man City without my best defender and expected Aguero to do the damage. Oblak ended the game as man of the match, as we won 1-0. The late pressure was intense to say the least, especially one goal mouth scramble.
Liverpool leapfrogged both Manchester clubs to pop into second behind us, so all's good for this LFC fan heading into February.
Attempts to add a bit of quality/competition at CB failed, but I think that's because I got fixated on two players. LOL
Picked up a 28 year old Kroos instead. Quality on the ball ... but slow. Especially against Man City for his début.
Played about 6 matches today. Lost the first to derby rivals Crystal Palace 1-0. That knocked us off the very recently gained top spot in the league. Man City re-took pole position. Scraped wins going forward and finally retook top spot about 4 matches later. Then faced Man City without my best defender and expected Aguero to do the damage. Oblak ended the game as man of the match, as we won 1-0. The late pressure was intense to say the least, especially one goal mouth scramble.
Liverpool leapfrogged both Manchester clubs to pop into second behind us, so all's good for this LFC fan heading into February.
Attempts to add a bit of quality/competition at CB failed, but I think that's because I got fixated on two players. LOL
Picked up a 28 year old Kroos instead. Quality on the ball ... but slow. Especially against Man City for his début.
Paul Scott
Registered User
Goals from kick-off
Does anybody else score from the kick-off frequently? I quite often tip off and run directly towards the goal with a speedy player and get either a few yards outside or inside the box and wham it in the net! Usually it only requires one or two slight turns on the direction stick (or sometimes none at all!) to get me there and is possible when an opposition player IS NOT standing right in front of you directly from the kick-off. (-So when there is one either side of the semi circle, possibly from a 2 up front formation I guess).
I noticed this was possible in PES2015 last year on the PS4 when I bought L.Insigne in my ML and it became a regular goal for him. I have him this year again in my ML and he gets these goals here too. Himself or G.Bale do it for me regularly now, so I think you need a nippy player to pull it off.
Anyone else get these goals or is it just me?!
Edit: Superstar level.
Does anybody else score from the kick-off frequently? I quite often tip off and run directly towards the goal with a speedy player and get either a few yards outside or inside the box and wham it in the net! Usually it only requires one or two slight turns on the direction stick (or sometimes none at all!) to get me there and is possible when an opposition player IS NOT standing right in front of you directly from the kick-off. (-So when there is one either side of the semi circle, possibly from a 2 up front formation I guess).
I noticed this was possible in PES2015 last year on the PS4 when I bought L.Insigne in my ML and it became a regular goal for him. I have him this year again in my ML and he gets these goals here too. Himself or G.Bale do it for me regularly now, so I think you need a nippy player to pull it off.
Anyone else get these goals or is it just me?!
Edit: Superstar level.
who
Registered User
Yeah, unfortunately that was one of the main reason why I quit this years PES. When you find this way of scoring, there is almost no other way back. You always know that at any time, with any given player you can easily score against any opponent, just by running straight, moving to left, right when needed and any defender will struggle and most of them will retreat so you have an empty corridor towards the net. In this same fashion you can score 9-10 goals or more per game on Superstar level, which is the hardest level in the game. When you play on Top Player level, its much harder to score these goals, because defenders tend to stick and try not to let you run past them, but the overal game becomes easyer, so you can have ball possesion/more chances created against all the teams.
Its still a mystery how this glitch/bug dont know how to call it, wasnt mentioned as much as goalkeeping or referees. It just literally kills the game, because there is no joy, when each time you know that you have an advantage, because all the defenders are programmed to retreat and run away from the ball. Some of them are just stuck in theyr positions. Like if you have the ball, run into the box and the AI defender clearly can steal the ball from you, he will retreat and run to his position few meters to the left, because it is the place where he has to stand, despite the situation. Weird.
Its still a mystery how this glitch/bug dont know how to call it, wasnt mentioned as much as goalkeeping or referees. It just literally kills the game, because there is no joy, when each time you know that you have an advantage, because all the defenders are programmed to retreat and run away from the ball. Some of them are just stuck in theyr positions. Like if you have the ball, run into the box and the AI defender clearly can steal the ball from you, he will retreat and run to his position few meters to the left, because it is the place where he has to stand, despite the situation. Weird.
Paul Scott
Registered User
In fairness it's not every single kick-off, it is only when there is a "Red Sea" split in a formation. Plus it's definitely not 9 or 10 times in a match because I've never kicked off 9 or 10 times in a match! haha..
I don't think it's as frequent as PES2015 actually. It was definitely easier to do it in that. Plus there was a really easy goal to score in PES2015 from a short corner that was guaranteed a goal every single time. Short corner with anybody who has a decent curve / shot - pass it back to him - run along the edge of box vertically - R2 plus Shoot (with shot bar anything around halfway on the power gauge) and voila! GUARANTEED goal every single time. Even with default ML players like Castolo (or whatever they called him last year). Since scoring in the air from a corner last year was completely redundant, I'd get these short corner goals every single game.
It is not as easy in PES2016 in fairness to get these short corner goals, but the sprint from kick off to a goal is definitely still there!
I don't think it's as frequent as PES2015 actually. It was definitely easier to do it in that. Plus there was a really easy goal to score in PES2015 from a short corner that was guaranteed a goal every single time. Short corner with anybody who has a decent curve / shot - pass it back to him - run along the edge of box vertically - R2 plus Shoot (with shot bar anything around halfway on the power gauge) and voila! GUARANTEED goal every single time. Even with default ML players like Castolo (or whatever they called him last year). Since scoring in the air from a corner last year was completely redundant, I'd get these short corner goals every single game.
It is not as easy in PES2016 in fairness to get these short corner goals, but the sprint from kick off to a goal is definitely still there!
who
Registered User
You need to practice more at exploiting this void in AI defence, my friend. haha. No, but seriously, then you will be able to score 10 goals or more in every single game. I can suggest to not sprint, but after each kick off, whatever player that is, just walk with him towards the goal, if any defenders comes to you, use arrows right/left to maneuver and keep going, soon you`ll be in the box and it will get even easyer out there, the only thing you`ll have to do is score. Usually defenders should follow you from behind, but they wont steal or intercept the ball, because they cant, I guess part of programming.
Some time ago I made a video about this, have showed it many times, but I think not everyone are able to see it, for some reason. Anyway, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbbfxuzMfD8
haha. No, but seriously, then you will be able to score 10 goals or more in every single game. I can suggest to not sprint, but after each kick off, whatever player that is, just walk with him towards the goal, if any defenders comes to you, use arrows right/left to maneuver and keep going, soon you`ll be in the box and it will get even easyer out there, the only thing you`ll have to do is score. Usually defenders should follow you from behind, but they wont steal or intercept the ball, because they cant, I guess part of programming. Some time ago I made a video about this, have showed it many times, but I think not everyone are able to see it, for some reason. Anyway, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbbfxuzMfD8
Paul Scott
Registered User
:laugh: That looked too easy in fairness. I haven't come across players backing off like that and giving a free route to goal.. Just more laboured advances towards my player in opposition..