Top Missing Players [PES2011]

[pard]

Thats a bit harsh on Raul, look at his career: he broke into the Real Madrid team at 17 years of age, scored more than 323 goals in his time there (more than any other player including Di Stefano) and is the all time leading goalscorer in the Champions League.

Those kind of stats at the top level of football are no joke my friend. I mean if that was me, I'd be dining out on that every night for the next 30 years!

I'm just calling how I see it. Even sport commentatos make fun of him in South America. Alfredo Di Stéfano gets much more respect than him outside of Europe (even in Brazil, being argentine).

 

[foss]

I'm just calling how I see it. Even sport commentatos make fun of him in South America. Alfredo Di Stéfano gets much more respect than him outside of Europe (even in Brazil, being argentine).

exactly. this shows what a narrow view of football you have.

sure people in england are going to rate beckham higher than a south american native. same with raul and spain. DUH. the point is at the end of the day it's about their career and ability and the fact that you say that they did not have notable and quality careers and ability shows how clueless you really are about football.

raul and beckham will both be remembered for a long long time in the history of football. i doubt if you disappeared tomorrow it would make anything but the local paper.

 

[proevolutaion]

Messi is the best player in the world. Raul is a joke outside of Europe, a laughing stock. Zico is considered a legend across all continents. He was called the white Pelé for a reason.

But if you think anyone gives a flying fuck about Raul outside Europe, or even Spain, or Madrid, for that matter, because blaugrana fans don't give a shit about him either, you are seriously wrong.

Beckham is only still on the spotlight because he knows how to sell himself. Eto'o will be forgotten as soon as he retires.

Ur pathetic messi is overated and boring he only scores because he is in a shit league.

Also raul is a legend he might not be now but a joke?haha hes better than u and id like to see messi still a "legend" at that age

 

[Ali]

Raul may not be pacey, and you won't see him taking on defenders, but you can't argue with the stats. He's a great goal scorer.

To suggest that folk outside of Europe don't give a toss about Real Madrid... that's funny because they all seem to pick either them or Barca online... especially the South Americans.

 

[pard]

Raul may not be pacey, and you won't see him taking on defenders, but you can't argue with the stats. He's a great goal scorer.

To suggest that folk outside of Europe don't give a toss about Real Madrid... that's funny because they all seem to pick either them or Barca online... especially the South Americans.

Where did I say people don't give a shit about Real Madrid? I said they don't give a shit about Raul.

 

[gonufc]

It's ridiculous to say Raul and Beckham aren't top players just because some people you know don't like/ care about them. At what point does the opinion of people thousands of miles away decide how well people play? It's unbelievably arrogant to say they aren't good players because people from your country/ region don't care about them, who cares what people in a certain place think and also, those in the americas are less likely to have seen them alot and consistently for a season or more.

 

[pard]

It's ridiculous to say Raul and Beckham aren't top players just because some people you know don't like/ care about them. At what point does the opinion of people thousands of miles away decide how well people play? It's unbelievably arrogant to say they aren't good players because people from your country/ region don't care about them, who cares what people in a certain place think and also, those in the americas are less likely to have seen them alot and consistently for a season or more.

Not some people, most people. Your second point is funny, because world player of the year winners are picked by people all around the world, including those thousands of miles away.

Again people here fail to read. I didn't say they aren't good players, I said they aren't top players. There's a difference. Pelé, Zico, Maradona, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Zidane, Platini, Ronaldo. Those are the top players. You just know it when you see them playing. They own the pitch. That's the definition of top player, they are the pick of the peck. And as for your last phrase, please. There's people on South America that could very well write books on football from all five continents.

Of course I don't expect elitists that are like "wow we invented it our opinion is the only one that matters we live on our little football bubble" to understand. Not that you are like this, but scroll up a bit and you can find a couple. And FYI I watch colombian 3rd division when it's on. That's how much football I watch. Maybe that's exactly where you got it wrong. Maybe you are too used to following just a couple of european "top" leagues. Perhaps you should broaden your football horizons.

 

[[Shabadoo]]

Beckham - Baythom in PES shop
Raul, also in pes shop, if you base copied before DLC you will have him
Roberto carlos in Corinthians
Van Nistelrooy - V. Mistelroom, PES shop

 

[Sminky]

I'm just calling how I see it. Even sport commentatos make fun of him in South America. Alfredo Di Stéfano gets much more respect than him outside of Europe (even in Brazil, being argentine).

Well that does surprise me quite a bit, he's never been the quickest player in the world or a classic number 10 granted but he is a very good finisher in front of goal.

 

[Ali]

Where did I say people don't give a shit about Real Madrid? I said they don't give a shit about Raul.

Sorry, misread what you said. But I live outside Madrid, and I give a **** about Raul. I'll ask you this, whould you have Raul and Beckham (in their prime) in your team? Anybody would say yes. Beckham has set up countless goals and scored many too, I'm not even a big fan of his, but you can't question his talent. You don't have to be a Pele or Maradona to be considered a legend. Ask any Madrid fan or Utd fan their opinion on those players, in fact, Barca and Man City fans would reluctantly give you the same response.

 

[gonufc]

Not some people, most people. Your second point is funny, because world player of the year winners are picked by people all around the world, including those thousands of miles away.

Again people here fail to read. I didn't say they aren't good players, I said they aren't top players. There's a difference. Pelé, Zico, Maradona, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Zidane, Platini, Ronaldo. Those are the top players. You just know it when you see them playing. They own the pitch. That's the definition of top player, they are the pick of the peck. And as for your last phrase, please. There's people on South America that could very well write books on football from all five continents.

Of course I don't expect elitists that are like "wow we invented it our opinion is the only one that matters we live on our little football bubble" to understand. Not that you are like this, but scroll up a bit and you can find a couple. And FYI I watch colombian 3rd division when it's on. That's how much football I watch. Maybe that's exactly where you got it wrong. Maybe you are too used to following just a couple of european "top" leagues. Perhaps you should broaden your football horizons.

I think this is the difference, i only thought of it as relative to their peers, not throughout history- that would be a totally different decision. Of course there are individuals in south america that know an awful lot about other leagues but generally people thousands of miles away are less likely to consistently watch these foreign leagues.

Also, i have no idea where you got these ideas about what football i watch from and you can judge me from conjecture and be pompous about it if you enjoy that but surely watching lower league football is more likely to make you consider the likes of beckham and raul as 'top players'.

 

[karan7]

this is tru..and
Beckham is an icon for freekick dude
They wont make a movie call 'bend it like beckham' if he wasnt even good
they would have made it bend it like pele if ur refereing to ur 'top players'
Beckham is the best...his freekicks his passes....everything his 'THE BEST' i dont even like him but you saying his not 'top player' doesnt make any sense...and 90% here agrees with me.

and raul his a goal scorer even now at shakcale however you spell it lol...his still scoring at age 37 or w.e thats crazy.

 

[LANEYJ]

this topic seems to be heating up..I just want to put my two cents in...

Beckham is not the best free kick taker, not even in his generation....ever heard of Juninho? They called him Mr. 50% for a reason...

Who ever said Messi is overrated has got to be kidding them self..Messi is clearly either the 1st or 2nd best player in the world (you can make a decent argument stating why Cristiano Ronaldo could be the best)

Beckham and Raul are legends no doubt, but I kinda' agree with pard on this...Beckham is over hyped because of his image (lifestyle, good looks, wife, etc)...I mean in his prime, he was a great player, but to call him a top player is ridiculous. Raul was also a great player in his time, but still I'm not sure if he can be considered one of the top players of all time.. I feel other strikers were better than him, especially someone like Van Nistelrooy (who i feel doesn't get enough credit)...but I do have a gripe with pard saying that Eto'o will be forgotten..Eto'o is a world class striker, now he is a top player...but I guess to each his own..

 

[Ali]

Pelé, Zico, Maradona, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Zidane, Platini, Ronaldo. Those are the top players. You just know it when you see them playing.

I don't think you can put Ronaldo up there with the very best. Sure he was great in his day, but has gone rapidly downhill since.

I actually think Messi is a little overrated too. Sure he can score great goals against the likes of Getafe and Espanyol every week, but he didn't produce in the World Cup, and whenever I've seen him against the big boys in the Champions League, he tends to get snuffed out pretty easily. He's still only 23 though, he will get better. Maradona hadn't reached his full potential at that age.

 

[Carbonero1891]

I dont know what this guy is talking about, Im from south america too and at least in Uruguay and Argentina we have a lot of respect for Raul he certainly deserves to be one of the top strikers of the early 2000's based on his career and sheer consistency, many a time did he carried a failing Madrid side on his shoulders displaying leadership and lifting the team (both for Madrid and Spain)

 

[u1tradt]

You really can't argue with the stats. First of all no one can argue that Real Madrid is one of the biggest clubs in the world with a rich history of many great players in the past and today. Now for a club to be able to boast having had players like Zidane, Luis Figo, Hugo Sanchez and Di Stefano (to name so few) serve them, to have Raul as both its record appearance maker and goalscorer (and second overall goalscorer for Spain national team) speaks volumes about the player. People can argue all they want about what they personally think about the player's playing style and their reputation here and there but there's no denying them statistics that this player in question holds the record for appearances and goals scored for one of the greatest clubs in the world playing in one of the greatest leagues in the world. Now if that don't convince people of Raul's calibre then they can go fuck themselves because you're just being arrogant.

 

[karan7]

thanks guys for agreeing with me that RAUL is no doubt the best player..and is missing in the game.
And for that guy that said Raul is not the best player in the world?
You must be from the 21st Century lol .

 

[morado]

Does anybody know if Ronald gomez or Paulo Wanchope are on the game?

according to this list http://pes.neoseeker.com/wiki/Unlockable_Players_in_PES_2011, they are not, but i hope its wrong

Those are costa rican players if you dont know them..

 

[forken]

Why this thread even exist? there are not in the game by default...but pesgaming forum is the forum to get option files to get all the leagues and player that are not in the game...so I dont understand that you make thread in this forum without knowing theres option files to correct the situation...

 

[Kiwin1908]

For those who doesn't consider Raúl a world class player:

La Liga (6): 1994–95, 1996–97, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
Supercopa de España (4): 1997, 2001, 2003, 2008
UEFA Champions League (3): 1997–98, 1999–00, 2001–02
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2002
Intercontinental Cup (2): 1998, 2002

Don Balón Award for Breakthrough Player in La Liga: 1995
Euro 2000 Team of the Tournament
ESM Team of the Year: 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–00
Pichichi Trophy (2): 1999, 2001
UEFA Champions League Top Scorer: 1999–2000, 2000–01
UEFA Champions League Best Forward(3): 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2001–02
FIFA World Player of the Year Bronze Award: 2001
European Footballer of the Year Silver Award: 2001
UEFA Club Forward of the Year (3): 1999–00, 2000–01, 2001–02
Premio Don Balón for Best Spanish player in La Liga (5): 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–00, 2000–01, 2001–02
Gollden Foot 2nd place: 2009
Real Madrid Record Goalscorer: 323 Goals
Real Madrid Record Appearance Maker: 741 Games
Spain all time top scorer: 44 goals (2nd)