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Why does the defence always approch the halfway line??? How to prevent this FLAW

Moschino02

Registered User
In the game


Because 9/10 times when on the counterattack all my oppoent has to do is loft the ball over to a speedy striker ie ronaldo who will 9/10 time have a shot on target

Is it too easy:realmad: too easy:realmad:

I like to play possesion game and hardly play this way but find when i lose the ball this is 9/10 times the strategy of my oppoent. :shocking:

Please Can someone advise how to tackle this problem:no: a

Ps My first pst sorry i sound very angry with this issue also wth barca/ real boys (too repetitive) and onlne cheats but still i love this game:wub:

Thank you:ninja: love to hear from you
 

paddyahern44

Registered User
Don't attack. Don't build up attacks. Just hoof it up from defence, give the ball to your opponent, rinse, repeat.

No other way. Just gotta use that RS to manually select a defender as soon as you lose the ball, run backwards as fast as you can and bash that clear button. 9/10 your opponent will just pass it to you with a lame, predictable through ball, if he manages to get through, run back and close the angles, doubling up with the keeper to force the attacker out wide.
 

sheldon__

Registered User
I understand your point Moschino, it' so stupid it happens to me everytime. I like playing online but this flaw ruins it all. I like to play B teams like(Napoli, Liverpool, Tottenham, Ajax, Schalke) but even with Bayern or Manchester United the (triangle/y) ball is deadly/ I myself like playing possession football to, and not to be ego-centric but ime mostly better than my opponent. Alot of people online just keep on pressing (triangle/y) without any clue to who it should go but the balls just seem to get to Benzema or Ronaldo(and ofcourse every shot from him is a goal).

Even if i play all-out-defence, or quick counter the balls just get through my defence. And i play with my two defenders always close to eachother and almost against the goaly. It really sucks. And still i dont get why everyone takes Real Madrid. I guess getting points and having a good status is more important then a good and enjoyable football game without having to play Real-Barca 24/7. I hope Konami will fix this(in 2014) with more active defenders(not just running past the ball) but by sticking out their leg or sticking closer to the striker. And I hope Konami will come with some kind of fair play mode, giving users the ability to only choose A/B/C/D teams.
 

Sabatasso

Banned
Use deep defensive line (1-6), and drop the defenders almost inside the box on the tactical overview. You can also add low pressure (1-8 or so) and high compactness (15+ try with mid and low as well to notice the difference) and low support (1-6). All these settings will make your players more interested in keeping players behind the ball.
 

Halfrax2

Registered User
But it won't stop them standing on the halfway line when you're down the other end attacking, and it won't stop them letting those through balls through.
 

Moschino02

Registered User
[MENTION=2525]paddy[/MENTION] - haha thats currently how im defending now but man fooking annoying

[MENTION=50581]sheldon[/MENTION] - i hear you myfriend - i also play with lesser teams but its so frustrating this issue One of the many reasons why the game does not educate people on how to play Pes or have a football mind..its too easy, passing it to messi and ronaldo and running through everyone. You have to worder harder and smarter with smaller teams

[MENTION=12130]saba[/MENTION]. Thanks man i will try that - i have tried deep line on its own which it useless and has no effect to combat this attack

Thanks all for your comments - more sugestions are welcome:ninja:
 

UnderPressure

Registered User
I've kinda adjusted to this cheating way of the AI. I now always watch the potential player where the player with the ball will pass it to and it's usually a forward, of course. I now make sure that that forward is marked and let the AI teammate defend the player currently dribbling the ball.

FWIW, my problem is my GK's inability to hold on to the ball. I concede a lot of goals that I initially save.
 

oggmeista

Registered User
we have conversations like this and people say the game is far better than last year??

I totally disagree
 

paddyahern44

Registered User
we have conversations like this and people say the game is far better than last year??

I totally disagree

Not really, if you attack, be ready for a counter attack. There is no safe method of attack, either in the game or in real football situations, every forward pass carries with it a risk.

Use deep defensive line (1-6), and drop the defenders almost inside the box on the tactical overview. You can also add low pressure (1-8 or so) and high compactness (15+ try with mid and low as well to notice the difference) and low support (1-6). All these settings will make your players more interested in keeping players behind the ball.

There is another option, keep a high line 20, high compactness and high pressure. Lose the ball and immediately get everyone you can charging the man in possession, kick him, push him, do what it takes to break down the counter attack. After those initial 2-5 seconds of high pressure, use the RS to switch to your last defender and get ready for the long ball, running backwards or alternatively playing the offside and stepping, or even charging forwards.

For me the DMF in a barca style 4-3-3 usually intercepts the ball without any input from me (controlling the last CB). The only times my opponent can break effectively is when he plays it down the wing, which isn't too bad, better than a throughball through the centre.
 

JohnSound

Registered User
Sorry but I don't see how defenders approaching the half way line when their team is attacking is a flaw. This is what defenders do. When you play as a defender in real life, when the play moves forward, the team moves forward. If you don't, as an individual, you risk stretching the game & you'll soon hear about it from your coach. Plus if the attacking play breaks down you are closer to the action & can hopefully help your team regain control before your opponents get into your half.

I repeat, this is what happens in real life. If your opponent is likely to be a threat with long balls & quick counters then you adjust your tactics & positioning accordingly, which as already discussed, is what you need to do in PES. The game has flaws yes, all games do, but this isn't one of them
 

oggmeista

Registered User
Sorry but I don't see how defenders approaching the half way line when their team is attacking is a flaw. This is what defenders do. When you play as a defender in real life, when the play moves forward, the team moves forward. If you don't, as an individual, you risk stretching the game & you'll soon hear about it from your coach. Plus if the attacking play breaks down you are closer to the action & can hopefully help your team regain control before your opponents get into your half.

I repeat, this is what happens in real life. If your opponent is likely to be a threat with long balls & quick counters then you adjust your tactics & positioning accordingly, which as already discussed, is what you need to do in PES. The game has flaws yes, all games do, but this isn't one of them

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Your personnel strategy should heavily influence how far up the pitch the defensive line moves....take stoke as a good example...But i use 4 different strategies every game so when i select my pre-configured defensive strategy I expect the defensive line to not go as far of the pitch

Regardless of this defenders in reality are far more reactive to opposing attackers movements the ball over the top in this game seems to work in such a way that your defenders are mesmerized by it and just allow the attacker straight through...unrealistic and stupid fyi Don't come back, with pointless arguments I have only been playing PES or formely ISS since its conception as International superstar soccer way back in 97 I think I know what i'm talking abouit
 

Sminky

Registered User
It's not a flaw, it's completely normal. Teams push up in games when they attack otherwise there would be a yawning gap between defence and midfield.
 

oggmeista

Registered User
It's not a flaw, it's completely normal. Teams push up in games when they attack otherwise there would be a yawning gap between defence and midfield.


no sorry I ademently disagree

being admin senior memember etc is not going to influence my impression, did you actually bother to read my last post or just ignored it?
 

Sminky

Registered User
no sorry I ademently disagree

being admin senior memember etc is not going to influence my impression, did you actually bother to read my last post or just ignored it?

It doesn't matter whether you disagree. Watch a football match, you'll see it happen unless of course the team you are watching are camped in their half for the entire game. When midfield pushes forward to support the attack the defence moves forward, its standard practise and you'll see it every game.
 

Griciu

Registered User
Sorry but I don't see how defenders approaching the half way line when their team is attacking is a flaw. This is what defenders do. When you play as a defender in real life, when the play moves forward, the team moves forward. If you don't, as an individual, you risk stretching the game & you'll soon hear about it from your coach. Plus if the attacking play breaks down you are closer to the action & can hopefully help your team regain control before your opponents get into your half.

I repeat, this is what happens in real life. If your opponent is likely to be a threat with long balls & quick counters then you adjust your tactics & positioning accordingly, which as already discussed, is what you need to do in PES. The game has flaws yes, all games do, but this isn't one of them

Totally agreed the defenders must go forward and they will go forward no matter what tactic you select... I, too, go for the "Long Ball" tactic because it keeps my defensive line pretty deep still not deep enough.

But that;'s what happens in real life just like John said. As a real defender, you must go forward along with the other defenders to properly set up an offside trap and many others.

And long balls over your defense happens in real life as well... I believe even Ronaldo scored a similar goal against Borussia Dortmund a few weeks back.

Win some, lose some!
 

JohnSound

Registered User
Oggmeista... I completely agree with this bit...

Regardless of this defenders in reality are far more reactive to opposing attackers movements the ball over the top in this game seems to work in such a way that your defenders are mesmerized by it and just allow the attacker straight through...unrealistic and stupid

...but I disagree with the original post, meaning I agree with the Bishop and Griciu (thanks guys) What you describe is a major flaw, but what the original poster describes is not.

Now, the next bit, there's no need for.

Don't come back, with pointless arguments I have only been playing PES or formely ISS since its conception as International superstar soccer way back in 97 I think I know what i'm talking abouit

Yes you do know what you're talking about and it's great you've played PES for so long but there's no need for that statement. I haven't played as much PES as you but I could have said I've been playing real football since around 1985, mostly in defence, I think I know what I'm talking about, but it doesn't really help the conversation much does it.

By the way, did you see Dido has released a fix for his Smoke 5.02 patch, did you get it? All seems good now :)
 

Moschino02

Registered User
Fair enough i agree defenders are suppose to push up the field In real life situation

But its most definately a flaw in the game because people know this is an easy tactic to use and are taking advantage of it , its sometimes undefendable

You leave yourself vulernable and theres is not much you can do which i unrealistic

Ask yourself this, would a premiership football team get away with trying this everytime they are on the counter or do you see teams regularly do this at every counter attack? No they dont, because in real life it is not that easy.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Fair enough i agree defenders are suppose to push up the field In real life situation

But its most definately a flaw in the game because people know this is an easy tactic to use and are taking advantage of it , its sometimes undefendable

You leave yourself vulernable and theres is not much you can do which i unrealistic

Ask yourself this, would a premiership football team get away with trying this everytime they are on the counter or do you see teams regularly do this at every counter attack? No they dont, because in real life it is not that easy.

I see what you're saying, but I think some people are getting the issue confused (or making it more complicated than it really is). Let me put it this way, it's actually quite similar to the way in which the crossing was too effective in PES 2012. Far, far, far too many goals were carbon copies where the ball was crossed into the middle and the striker headed the ball right into the middle of the net with little or no effort. It was too repeatable, too effective, and too easy to pull off and yet there was little or nothing the opposing team could do about it. So, what did Konami do? Well, first they patched the game (PES 2012) and the headers became slightly less effective. Then, in PES 2013 they made headers almost impossible to score with, but then updated it so that headers are at least possible, but not nearly as effective as in PES 2012. So, with headed goals they now have a pretty good balance...

Likewise, the through ball in PES 2013 is simply way too effective and easy to pull off. The OP (and others, like me) aren't saying that the through ball isn't part of the game (of course it is!), we're just saying it is out of balance in PES 2013.

As for the "high line" perhaps part of the confusion is the fact that it's not really the high line itself that's the problem. It's also the fact that defenders seem to have trouble being in the right position (often regardless of how well you control them), and, simply put, the strikers seem to win these battles far too often and too easily. The facts speak for themselves, because so many players online continually hoof the ball up the middle of the pitch and have not a lick of anything else to their gameplan (zero build up, zero possession, and seemingly zero skill) and yet they can be very effective with this sort of unrealistic and ugly tactic.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the contention that "this is football" because all you have to do is watch a handful of online matches and you will see that the PES 2013 is being played nothing like what you see on TV or play yourself in real life. Yes, some teams, like Arsenal for example, play a very high defensive line, but does this mean they concede bucketfuls of goals from through balls that are always the same over and over and over again? No, it's actually an effective tactic, partially because the defenders are able to catch those "cherry-picking" strikers offside more often than not, but also because when a team has a lot of possession in real life and they push up the pitch, it is actually more effective than in PES 2013, and the passing is also not so deadly accurate all the time.

In fact, the way I think it should be is that if you were to play that way (long through balls all the time), then only occasionally would your 50 yard hail-Mary pass cause any sort of trouble for the defence. Keep in mind that these passes are often coming from defenders, not the likes of Pirlo, and that simply put the longer and more desperate a pass you make, the less effective it should be! Yes, it should be in the game, and yes, defenders should hug the half-way line when their team has possession, but the team under pressure kicking the ball up the field should result in a clear chance on goal only a very small fraction of the time compared to the way it works in PES 2013. As an opposing team if you hoof the ball all the way up the field to a single striker I should be happy, and thinking "oh, good, I'm going to get the ball back right away" not "crap, here comes another goal." That one player should not constantly win out over the entire defence, he should be isolated and well covered, and the defenders should sort their bloody legs out!

So, perhaps the OP simply needs to re-state the question (not to say that it is simply a matter of how high the backline is that is the problem) so that we can address the question more directly. How do you stop teams from being so effective with continual repeated through balls with little or no possession (a well timed through ball with a proper build up is another story and arguably should be very difficult to defend against, especially if the player with possession is patient and makes intelligent movements, waiting for space to open up in the defence).
 

ahmadassaf

Registered User
this is the most annoying thing in the game, players just aimlessly press on the through pass, however i have managed to find solutions for that problem, of course bugs happen but i have managed to reduce the cause a lot with this, the steps are:

- I play with a team with good CB defenders in the back for example Juventus, Chelsea, Barcelona, usually i play with 3 CBs in the back in one line inside the box in front of the goalkeeper.
- Depending on the opposing team i either play with two DMFs or one DMF and a low MR; the perfect would be to choose player who are good in both positions like pirlo, de rossi ... etc.
- now i play with hight pressure; actually full pressure as i am a control freak; and with very high defensive line; 18 or 19 and medium compactness
- the most important factor now is to keep always an eye on the radar and switch whenever you lose the ball to one of the players in the back and then assign AI defense for the player approaching the ball, a good balance between AI defence and manual one is also important as you do not want all your players to go towards one player and leave empty spaces especially if that player has transparent qualities like christiano or messi !!
- Another thing is that when you are controlling your player manually in the radar make sure he is behind the marking player; towards the goalkeeper i mean; as when the through ball is passed he will move forward; if he was stuck to the player HE MIGHT LOSE IT
- applying offside trap is a solution but a tricky one
- another thing is that when a through pass is made; or the super aimless pass do not try to control it with the defender and dribble, what i do most is directly trying to pass back to the goalkeeper or one of the nearby teammates so that there will be no pressure from the attacker
- Use R2 --> R2 is good in close up battles or when you wish to manually position the player to intercept

Hope this was helpful :)
 

||KR7||88||

Registered User
The problem is not with the defense, the main problem is that the through pass is unrealistically way to effective in the game eventhough you are controlling a xavi.

What konami should do is not wait for 2014 but fix this problem by making the triangle through pass less effective the greater the distance from the striker through the next patch.

OR we can all play decide to play at pass assistance 1, so that there would be no one to play with on pass assistance 2,3,4 etc. As you all know finding opponent on pass assistance on 1 is hard. Let those Messi Ronaldo pass abusers play by themselves. Problem solved.

Plus pass assistance 1 or 0 makes a more realistic game of football and actually requires some thinking! Let's all play on 0 or 1!
 
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