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Winning Eleven 8 Liveware Evolution - **IMPRESSIONS THREAD**

spiceaddict

Registered User
Thank you soliloquay, for that link.

Speaking of flaws, don't you guys find the through balls are way too accurate in this game? The computer doesn't use them very well, but online I find that most of the good players score the vast majority of their goals via through balls and looped through balls.

It doesn't take much skill either. Just look at your radar when you have the ball in midfield, and if your strikers are roughly in line with their back line, hit a through ball. About half the time you'll get a clear or semi-challenged one on one with the keeper. If your striker is someone strong and fast like Ronaldo or Vieri, it works more like 60 or 70 percent of the time.

The worst part is, there is no way to defend against it (if someone knows a reliable way, do tell). Even if you manage to switch control to the right back line defender in time (difficult given the primitive L1-cycle-through-players-system), a smart player will simply continue to dribble up the pitch, forcing you to switch to a man to challenge him before slotting through a through ball.

I used to pride myself on my defence. I rarely get scored upon by the computer or mates and never more than one goal. But after some 6 goal thrashings online I realised something was wrong. It's the through ball. Now my whole offence focuses on the through ball and a lot of games degenerate into high scoring "through ball competitions".

As a final example, one guy online amassed an impressive record with Uruguay by packing his defence with a 6-2-2 formation. His reasoning was that he only really needed 2 midfielders and 2 strikers to score: pass, pass, through ball, repeat. He beat me 2-0 scoring both his goals on breakaway through balls, and is currently in the top Division.

Try it yourself. Throw through balls to the strikers every chance you get and see if your scoring goes up. What do you guys think? Through balls too dangerous in WE118LE?
 

Zygalski

Administrator
Have you tried using a sweeper?
Or just edit the positions of your defenders to pull them back a bit.
 

soliloquay

Banned
Zygalski said:
Have you tried using a sweeper?
Or just edit the positions of your defenders to pull them back a bit.

other than that you can also add some arrows or man mark players. the tactical side to pes is really difficult i must say. furthermore through passes are meant to be difficult, they cut open the defense. like for example liverpool vs juventus, with two one-twos, juventus broke through the liverpool defense easily only to then miss the chance :rolleyes:
 

GO-GO-GOAL!

Registered User
Best to have a sweeper and on covering. Also learn to use the offside trap strategy. Use that effectively and you will phase out at least 60% of through balls! I use all the time and used it to great effect at a tournament I played last Saturday where I made it to the final. :)
 

Scully

Registered User
Has anyone had this problem before!
I bought a ps2 a good few mths ago and im playing we8le ole patchwhich is brilliant, but my mate bought a ps2 around the same time and is using same as method as
me (fliptop and swapmagic dvd2.0) but the same game won't laod.....he said he was some other game and when the hung, he pressed down on the fliptop lid and the
started again.....would it be the case of just tighten the screws on the fliptop lid???

Thnaks
 

spiceaddict

Registered User
GO-GO-GOAL! said:
Best to have a sweeper and on covering. Also learn to use the offside trap strategy. Use that effectively and you will phase out at least 60% of through balls! I use all the time and used it to great effect at a tournament I played last Saturday where I made it to the final. :)

Thanks for all the defensive advice, all. Man marking doesn't really help. For one thing, they tend to overplay the man on man marking, making them even more succeptible to through balls. Sweeper defence works well, but only if you have a 5 man defensive unit. I sometimes take out a striker for a sweeper if I'm winning an important competition game. But one sweeper and one center back leaves too much space in the middle.

I haven't had much luck with the offside trap. Go go goal, what exactly do you mean by "using the offside trap"? Do you mean setting the offside trap frequency to "A", or do you assign offisde trap to one of your strategy buttons? Neither works too well for me.

Actually after playing a lot more on the weekend I've noticed that one of the most effective strategies is to let the CPU control your defence. Just switch to a midfielder and hustle back, often your CBs will intercept passes and even tackle on their own.
 

methical

as normal as norman bates
does it look like pro 4 (pro 3 and 4 look different
2 and 3 look different and 1 and 2 look different.

is it faster

are their more teams in this 1)

is the master league different

is it still that really annoying commentator peter brackley.

what new stadiums are there, are there striped kits and can you edit kits properly i.e create them

are there more badge and logo slots

can you make the kits better e.g. in pro 4 man u have the vodafone logo as their badge and a small man u crest in the logos area.

are the sponcer edits letters any better e.g. arsenals 02 sponser looks crap.

(i cant get it anyway coz i dont have a chipped ps2 or any of that other stuff that i need either but it will help me decide more on weather or not to spend alot of my money on pro 5.)
 

Gun_Runner

100Gunz-100Clipz
the gameplay is slightly slower than PES4, far far better tho...

same amount of teams

probz the same, although havent yet tried it because of Japanese writing
Think it is him, you have to change the commentary to English tho

one more stadium-duno what its called altho it has a roof

you can get striped kits etc. in this, and the Nike Ole kit templates

same number of slots
Nike kits look brill in this if you edit them properly

Arsenal wil stil have the small 'O2'

you should just wait to PES5, or import the game;)
 

GO-GO-GOAL!

Registered User
spiceaddict said:
Thanks for all the defensive advice, all. Man marking doesn't really help. For one thing, they tend to overplay the man on man marking, making them even more succeptible to through balls. Sweeper defence works well, but only if you have a 5 man defensive unit. I sometimes take out a striker for a sweeper if I'm winning an important competition game. But one sweeper and one center back leaves too much space in the middle.

I haven't had much luck with the offside trap. Go go goal, what exactly do you mean by "using the offside trap"? Do you mean setting the offside trap frequency to "A", or do you assign offisde trap to one of your strategy buttons? Neither works too well for me.

Actually after playing a lot more on the weekend I've noticed that one of the most effective strategies is to let the CPU control your defence. Just switch to a midfielder and hustle back, often your CBs will intercept passes and even tackle on their own.

Spice, what I noticed about playing against people and the computer was that they used the chipped through pass too much. all I thought: "How can I cancel this out enough to be effective?". The answer was simple; have your defenders play further up the field, have a line defence and have the offside trap set to A. Worked like a dream.

Using this strategy stopped attackers, cpu and human, playing the through ball, this meant they had to play the ball in midfield or keep it. This resulted in my midfield and fullbacks doing most of the defender which was great as the central defenders were doing most of the mopping up or were free to intercept balls. the best time to use the offside trap strategy is when the team with the ball is about halfway in their own half. don't overdo it though as the defense will push into the opposition half and the player will be free to run on goal. works really well with a 3 man defense, the central of these 3 playing as sweeper on Covering. if you do it this way have the sweeper play a little way back from the other 2 (he is meant to be a sweeper after all :) ).

all this takes practice, but once you get used to it, it will be more than worth it :)
 

lazandreas

Registered User
guys

im just about to order this game off play-asia, just few questions, the patch that is available how big is it in size? also a silly question, but when u hit the post in this game does it make the crack sound like in pro evo 2 or just normal sound like in pro evo 4? thanks for your time
 

methical

as normal as norman bates
how can i get my ps2 chipped and will it mess it up

how can i get a patched copy of we8le (i dont have my own pc and i cant afford any of dem programs dat u need)

and can i make changes e.g. make henry's dribble speed and top speed better
 

salad

Banned
lazandreas said:
guys

im just about to order this game off play-asia, just few questions, the patch that is available how big is it in size? also a silly question, but when u hit the post in this game does it make the crack sound like in pro evo 2 or just normal sound like in pro evo 4? thanks for your time
don't waste ur money on this game mate, it's not that much of improvement from the last we8I, the only thing that is noticeable is shooting, shooting is just like in we7 now, u can crack one from longdistance if u're open (not the weak one like in the previous we8), passing is a little bit better but then crossing never seem to work , it was good in we8 not in we8 LE, players' movement seem so damn slow even with high rating one, u would see owen, roodney, ronaldo etc doing that slow motion fending so that defender can catch up and snatch the ball easily from them. i wish that they could just keep everything the same in this game and improve the shooting and goal keepers' reaction but they didn't . not worth buying over all, i still rather play we8i.
 

Gun_Runner

100Gunz-100Clipz
I think this game has been greatly improved.....the first touches of pl;ayers is a little slower-but that just means you have to keep it close to you....and the shooting and passing have been improved...I think this game is excellent! You should order it mate;)
 

lazandreas

Registered User
salad

thanks for giving me that info, i actually just finished ordering it, all the reviews and reports i have read suggest its a great game, and im always looking for a better football game and winning eleven being the best game i simply cannot ignore this game, i guess i will have to wait and see what its like, thanks again mate
 

Zygalski

Administrator
salad is wrong.
lazandreas, you should see if you can play the game somewhere before deciding to buy it.
 

salad

Banned
i hope i was wrong so u guys wouldn't have to waste ur money, i'm uploading it on bitlord, anyone want to try it before spending money on it can just dl it, i'm hosting it right now for u guys to dl
 

methical

as normal as norman bates
dont want to repeat myself but i need to know

methical said:
how can i get my ps2 chipped and will it mess it up

how can i get a patched copy of we8le (i dont have my own pc and i cant afford any of dem programs dat u need)

and can i make changes e.g. make henry's dribble speed and top speed better
 
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