Just to clarify, I totally agree that PES on PS3 has it's own particular set of problems.
However, I also think that the fundamental problems within PES are across the board and not exclusive to PS3 users.
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Just to clarify, I totally agree that PES on PS3 has it's own particular set of problems.
However, I also think that the fundamental problems within PES are across the board and not exclusive to PS3 users.
Rat Monkey
Registered User
I've seen people complain about the through ball this year because they can't get control of their players as a result of poor responsiveness. They seem to be PS3 players, and I've read most threads this year. You seem to keep bringing up previous versions of the game, are you making your points based on them too? I'm not, I'm just talking about 2014. Sure, 2013 had serious throughball exploits. 2012 was a bad game. I'm not getting exploited this year, or exploiting anyone else and no matter what you say it doesn't change the fact. Also, it is mostly PS3 players complaining if you reads the threads yourself.
I don't find anything fundamentally wrong on the Xbox. I could point to lots of things on previous years, but that's irrelevant. The game is unfinished, has bugs but nothing that makes it fundamentally broken - not on the Xbox anyway. Graphical issues and especially input lag aside, which I personally feel dramatically affects how everything in a game works and breaks everything, I'm not sure what you find fundamentally broken THIS year. You mention passing, shooting, throughball, etc. You never said what you mean by it, despite the throughball which I'm not being exploited on this year no matter if you think I "don't notice it or not". What are these fundamental problems across the board this year?
Rat Monkey
Registered User
Yes, I agree the PS3 is a disgrace. I never said PS3 users are wrong about that. If the truth be known, it was a disgrace the data pack was broken for the Xbox and you couldn't get on line without it. But they just about get away with it IMO because a user found a solution, until they found one a month later, which is a joke.
paul2478
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I try to stay away from these kinds of threads.... but the PS3 version plays every bit a smoothly as the Xbox version with the right settings. As may have been posted on here before unless your TV automatically switches resolution when you start the game to 720p then you need to change the setting on your PS3 to display in 720p.
This stops the button lag that some people are experiencing, my TV automatically switches & the moment I press the pass/shoot button the power bar appears on screen. I'm not trying to defend Konami or say the game is perfect, but this will help people who are having button lag issues.
As for the patch, I know Konami have announced all the cosmetic things & not gone into detail on the changes to gameplay, but there will be changes. It is the same every year when they announce updates they post pictures of faces, boots & kits but give very little detail on gameplay changes
This stops the button lag that some people are experiencing, my TV automatically switches & the moment I press the pass/shoot button the power bar appears on screen. I'm not trying to defend Konami or say the game is perfect, but this will help people who are having button lag issues.
As for the patch, I know Konami have announced all the cosmetic things & not gone into detail on the changes to gameplay, but there will be changes. It is the same every year when they announce updates they post pictures of faces, boots & kits but give very little detail on gameplay changes
Rat Monkey
Registered User
I try to stay away from these kinds of threads.... but the PS3 version plays every bit a smoothly as the Xbox version with the right settings. As may have been posted on here before unless your TV automatically switches resolution when you start the game to 720p then you need to change the setting on your PS3 to display in 720p.
This stops the button lag that some people are experiencing, my TV automatically switches & the moment I press the pass/shoot button the power bar appears on screen. I'm not trying to defend Konami or say the game is perfect, but this will help people who are having button lag issues.
As for the patch, I know Konami have announced all the cosmetic things & not gone into detail on the changes to gameplay, but there will be changes. It is the same every year when they announce updates they post pictures of faces, boots & kits but give very little detail on gameplay changes
Interesting. So you've no input lag and no slowdown?
DIECI
Registered User
I try to stay away from these kinds of threads.... but the PS3 version plays every bit a smoothly as the Xbox version with the right settings. As may have been posted on here before unless your TV automatically switches resolution when you start the game to 720p then you need to change the setting on your PS3 to display in 720p.
This stops the button lag that some people are experiencing, my TV automatically switches & the moment I press the pass/shoot button the power bar appears on screen. I'm not trying to defend Konami or say the game is perfect, but this will help people who are having button lag issues.
As for the patch, I know Konami have announced all the cosmetic things & not gone into detail on the changes to gameplay, but there will be changes. It is the same every year when they announce updates they post pictures of faces, boots & kits but give very little detail on gameplay changes
how is online on the PS3 with your settings? Does it play smoothly like PES2013? I only play online so its vital that that works well...
paul2478
Moderator
I've had no input lag, the game has only slowed down once late in a game when the AI had a corner while losing & almost every player was in or around the box, but that happened in PES 2013 as well.
I haven't played online sorry, I'm not a big online player.
jonnibravo
Registered User
I'm running a 660 ti graphics card i5 processor win 8 64 with 8gb of ram and I get in input lag and online issues the game requires fixing at every level
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I cant make you see what is there right in front of your eyes so all I will say is that the PES Rage thread has, at the time of writing, 5 pages with 65 posts. If you think they are all or mostly PS3 players who are only talking about just a few minor problems with input lag or other non fundamental issues with PES then you are reading a different forum from me mate. That's without even mentioning the other various smaller threads where people say things like "PES is dead" or "Did Konami even test this game?" etc.
I only mention the previous years games to highlight the decline in PES and to show that, despite thousands of complaints, Konami dont appear to be able or willing to fix the long term problems this series has.
I shouldn't have to go over all the problems with shooting, passing etc. all over again. The evidence is right there in the forums you claim you have already read!
You seem eager to believe that PES' problems lie almost exclusively with anyone who does not play the game on the X-box and that these problems are not fundamental issues which affect the game on a very basic level. That is not what I see when I read these and other forums and it's definitely not what I see when I play the game.
I understand that YOU dont think there are fundamental problems with the game and that's fine but the conclusions you have drawn from what you claim to have read in these pages appear to be very different from not only my views on PES but a lot of other people's too.
That's not to say that your opinion is any less valid, it's not, I just find your (in my opinion) blinkered view on what has happened and what is continuing to happen to the PES series and it's fans is baffling considering the hard evidence right before your very eyes on these pages.
PS Where are all the other X-box users supporting your claims? Just a thought.
Rat Monkey
Registered User
You seem to think input lag and slowdown is a minor issue. Its not. Input lag breaks everything you try to do. Its so massive that it doesn't allow you play the game properly on any level. I've had input lag online, so I know what I'm talking about there.
My point is the PS3 is broken because of input lag. I'm saying the Xbox doesn't have this(regardless of some rare games online), it has minor problems and its not broken. You say input lag doesn't matter, that passing, shooting, etc, and other things are broken anyway. I don't see how you can judge those properly, if you can't even do any of that properly by default because of input lag. Input lag has a direct impact on these features. But, you said input lag is not a problem in terms of this and that they are fundamental problems independently. That makes no sense to me how they are independent, but I took you up on those points about passing, etc, and decided to ignore input lag to argue your point. I have no input lag, so I can judge these without my judgement being dramatically ruined by input lag. I argued those points about passing, etc, based on the Xbox.
I'll argue with anyone who does not have input lag that the game is not broken. It may have problems, but not broken. Obviously, some of that is subjective but I don't see how someone with input lag can have a clear mind about them to begin with, when in fact that breaks everything. So yes, I'll argue that passing, shooting, throughball or anything else are not fundamental problems, if at all, on a basic level because of the Xbox. Input lag is on such a more basic level, that it ruins all those things, so I don't even see how you can even judge them properly this year on the PS3. Thats why I say the fundamental problems are on PS3. Input lag makes the game broken, I don't have so I CAN INDEPENDENTLY judge passing, etc, properly and IMO don't find them broken.
You use the lack of Xbox users supporting my claims as proof I'm wrong. Where are the Xbox users contradicting me either about the game not being broken? Broken is the key word there, not minor problems that can be fixed with a patch. I'm more than happy to engage in debate with any of them. You'll say there are fundamental problems independent of "minor" input lag and slowdown. I disagree, I don't see how input lag is independent if it has a direct impact on everything. The opinion of whether the game has fundamental problems when no input lag exists then becomes independent and yes, I'll argue it's not broken and I'm interested to see who thinks it is.
As for the threads you mentioned:
1. I was talking about who is mostly talking about the game being broken, not people complaining of problems of which I've posted in the rage thread a few times myself.
2. It's impossible to say from most of those complaining that their problems are not stemming from input lag.
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My point is the PS3 is broken because of input lag. I'm saying the Xbox doesn't have this(regardless of some rare games online), it has minor problems and its not broken. You say input lag doesn't matter, that passing, shooting, etc, and other things are broken anyway. I don't see how you can judge those properly, if you can't even do any of that properly by default because of input lag. Input lag has a direct impact on these features. But, you said input lag is not a problem in terms of this and that they are fundamental problems independently. That makes no sense to me how they are independent, but I took you up on those points about passing, etc, and decided to ignore input lag to argue your point. I have no input lag, so I can judge these without my judgement being dramatically ruined by input lag. I argued those points about passing, etc, based on the Xbox.
I'll argue with anyone who does not have input lag that the game is not broken. It may have problems, but not broken. Obviously, some of that is subjective but I don't see how someone with input lag can have a clear mind about them to begin with, when in fact that breaks everything. So yes, I'll argue that passing, shooting, throughball or anything else are not fundamental problems, if at all, on a basic level because of the Xbox. Input lag is on such a more basic level, that it ruins all those things, so I don't even see how you can even judge them properly this year on the PS3. Thats why I say the fundamental problems are on PS3. Input lag makes the game broken, I don't have so I CAN INDEPENDENTLY judge passing, etc, properly and IMO don't find them broken.
You use the lack of Xbox users supporting my claims as proof I'm wrong. Where are the Xbox users contradicting me either about the game not being broken? Broken is the key word there, not minor problems that can be fixed with a patch. I'm more than happy to engage in debate with any of them. You'll say there are fundamental problems independent of "minor" input lag and slowdown. I disagree, I don't see how input lag is independent if it has a direct impact on everything. The opinion of whether the game has fundamental problems when no input lag exists then becomes independent and yes, I'll argue it's not broken and I'm interested to see who thinks it is.
As for the threads you mentioned:
1. I was talking about who is mostly talking about the game being broken, not people complaining of problems of which I've posted in the rage thread a few times myself.
2. It's impossible to say from most of those complaining that their problems are not stemming from input lag.
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SOLID MATTIC
Registered User
I would also argue that input lag is the biggest problem present in this game. It is by no means the only one but surely input lag and slowdown have to be the highest priority problems to be potentially solved or at least ameliorated in a future patch.
That being said I am also throwing in the shooting (and I suppose by extension goalkeeping) mechanics as a real problem. Particularly shots outside the box being pretty much impossible. I am not saying that people should be able to bang goals in from over 30 yards out in their sleep, but its ridiculous at this point.
The knowledge that scoring outside of the box is almost impossible affects tactics across the field, particularly in terms of deciding whether to close players down or drop back.
Other problems include, poor player selection (L1 plus right stick is incredibly inefficient and auto is a crapshoot), fouling often not making sense, slowdown during pre game menu screens and of course the usual transfer stuff.
That being said I am also throwing in the shooting (and I suppose by extension goalkeeping) mechanics as a real problem. Particularly shots outside the box being pretty much impossible. I am not saying that people should be able to bang goals in from over 30 yards out in their sleep, but its ridiculous at this point.
The knowledge that scoring outside of the box is almost impossible affects tactics across the field, particularly in terms of deciding whether to close players down or drop back.
Other problems include, poor player selection (L1 plus right stick is incredibly inefficient and auto is a crapshoot), fouling often not making sense, slowdown during pre game menu screens and of course the usual transfer stuff.
well , well, what a surprise conami published dp2 information today, but guess what their pr madam bat says that it was a mistake that they were only testing how to release a patch and dp2 so no update today, it could make you laugh if you did not give your money for their game, wright? What can you expect when you deal with bunch of amateurs from a company that after who knows how many years of patching and updating still does not know how to release a patch?!
I am very tolerant and patient person , but this is really tooooo much.
So , keep calm and play dead for two months and wait for conami to do the patching , then to learn how to release it and then wait for another patch(pes15),because this one is going to be all about faces, boots, and make up. If you are crazy enough to buy next pes be sure to buy it for new years holidays on a sale price of 0,99$ cause there will be no game on the disk , only access code for the patch that conami will release when they learn how to do it on ps4.
I suggest to them to release a pes 6 , 11 , 13 on the same disk , more people would buy it then pes 15.
FIFA IS SHIT.
I am very tolerant and patient person , but this is really tooooo much.
So , keep calm and play dead for two months and wait for conami to do the patching , then to learn how to release it and then wait for another patch(pes15),because this one is going to be all about faces, boots, and make up. If you are crazy enough to buy next pes be sure to buy it for new years holidays on a sale price of 0,99$ cause there will be no game on the disk , only access code for the patch that conami will release when they learn how to do it on ps4.
I suggest to them to release a pes 6 , 11 , 13 on the same disk , more people would buy it then pes 15.
FIFA IS SHIT.
[MENTION=203227]Rat Monkey[/MENTION]
Suffice to say that I think the game is fundamentally broken and you do not. Also, when I look at the pages on this forum I see die hard PES fans who are completely fed up and very angry with what Konami has given them over this entire generation of tech, including PES14, whereas you see something different.
If passing and shooting issues, which you admit exist, are not a fundamental part of playing a decent game of football then I dont know what is. It doesn't really get much more fundamental than that in my opinion.
I was not trying to downplay the importance of input lag, it's an absolute killer for any game, I was trying to show you that it is BY FAR not the only major problem PES has.
Anyway, it seems that we dont really understand each other mate so I'll call it quits with this discussion now.
Cheers.
Suffice to say that I think the game is fundamentally broken and you do not. Also, when I look at the pages on this forum I see die hard PES fans who are completely fed up and very angry with what Konami has given them over this entire generation of tech, including PES14, whereas you see something different.
If passing and shooting issues, which you admit exist, are not a fundamental part of playing a decent game of football then I dont know what is. It doesn't really get much more fundamental than that in my opinion.
I was not trying to downplay the importance of input lag, it's an absolute killer for any game, I was trying to show you that it is BY FAR not the only major problem PES has.
Anyway, it seems that we dont really understand each other mate so I'll call it quits with this discussion now.
Cheers.
Rat Monkey
Registered User
I said if you have input lag, then everything in the game is a fundamental problem as you can't do anything properly to begin with - passing, shooting, etc. Of course passing and shooting are fundamental, but I don't have input lag to affect me pulling them off to begin with. As a result, I have zero problems with passing. The only problem with shooting is how hard it is to score from outside the box - this is not a fundamental problem for me, although it needs fixing but I don't think it should be as easy to score from outside the box as last year.
Our whole debate has been based on whether the whole game needs to be rebuilt, or it can be fixed in a patch. I've only based my opinion on the Xbox because that is all I know. The problems on the Xbox for me can be fixed in a patch. I'm convinced the game doesn't need to be rebuilt because I don't think it has fundamental problems, certainly not on the Xbox. You completely disagree with that and are convinced otherwise.
I agree on calling it quits, we'll never agree and we're both bored of the argument at this stage. I was actually going to call quits myself after I let you respond to my last post, lol.
News about patch
Gameplay:
Manual Control fixes: R2 Shot, first time actions (shot, header etc), yellow bar
Goalkeepers: Better reactions to initial save
L1 Lob Shot Fix
Gameplay slowdown in final 3rd: Change made to make as smooth as possible
Shooting: Refinements of slowdown to help/have positive impact
Catch-up refined, feeling of sudden catch-up removed
BAL player stats decline – fixed
x2 speed implemented when substituted in BAL
Gameplan cursor speed – made faster
User online block list increased <200%
3 player on same team controller bug – fixed
Kit fixes:
Barcelona away, Inter Home, Motherwell GK, Almeria – Elche – Villarreal sponsors
Gameplay:
Manual Control fixes: R2 Shot, first time actions (shot, header etc), yellow bar
Goalkeepers: Better reactions to initial save
L1 Lob Shot Fix
Gameplay slowdown in final 3rd: Change made to make as smooth as possible
Shooting: Refinements of slowdown to help/have positive impact
Catch-up refined, feeling of sudden catch-up removed
BAL player stats decline – fixed
x2 speed implemented when substituted in BAL
Gameplan cursor speed – made faster
User online block list increased <200%
3 player on same team controller bug – fixed
Kit fixes:
Barcelona away, Inter Home, Motherwell GK, Almeria – Elche – Villarreal sponsors
Just played the game with the new patch...
My review with this setting..
Pass assist - 1 bar
BLES version with WENB Option File...
Game speed 1
Last played 5 hours ago
No more slow motion in penalty box... smooth game all around the pitch, no noticeable lag
Player responsive much2 better.. player react to every button input
Game plan menu smoother than before..
Now I'm a happy man..
My review with this setting..
Pass assist - 1 bar
BLES version with WENB Option File...
Game speed 1
Last played 5 hours ago
No more slow motion in penalty box... smooth game all around the pitch, no noticeable lag
Player responsive much2 better.. player react to every button input
Game plan menu smoother than before..
Now I'm a happy man..
DIECI
Registered User
Just played the game with the new patch...
My review with this setting..
Pass assist - 1 bar
BLES version with WENB Option File...
Game speed 1
Last played 5 hours ago
No more slow motion in penalty box... smooth game all around the pitch, no noticeable lag
Player responsive much2 better.. player react to every button input
Game plan menu smoother than before..
Now I'm a happy man..
Is this on ps3?? If so this is great. Can u check how online is running ???
Yes PS3..
Konami server still down.. maybe preparing for the dlc..
Other thing that might improve.. but maybe placebo
1) They might improve player physical.. because it seems less ridiculous player fall on the pitch when they collide
2) And I may heard new ingame sound when ball hit the player hard.. butmaybe that just me
Cons so far
Game might feel easier because we have better control now..
Das:Fohlen
Registered User
Just played the game with the new patch...
My review with this setting..
Pass assist - 1 bar
BLES version with WENB Option File...
Game speed 1
Last played 5 hours ago
No more slow motion in penalty box... smooth game all around the pitch, no noticeable lag
Player responsive much2 better.. player react to every button input
Game plan menu smoother than before..
Now I'm a happy man..
sounds great! does the patch affect the option file (premier league, bundesligas self made kits)? how long does it take to download the whole dlc?
The patch only 15mb.. and all edited kits still there
Anyway... I'm downloading datapack 2 now.. didntindicate the size.. but maybe more or less same size as datapck 1 base on doownload speed..
Important features
Transfer update
800 faces
1000 new player
For online game improvement, I cant give any comment because never play PES 2014 online before. Planning to sell PES14 with unredeemed code if this patch didn't meet my expectation.. Luckily my patient pay off
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