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Have you played pes 11? That's where Pes started it again. I converted to fifa in 09, because pes was so arcade. BUT, fifa 11 and pes 11 changed it again. Fifa 11 is a pressure trash game where strong players dominate and the game revolves around strength and physical attributes only. Pathetic...

^Have you watched Italy recently? Why hate them. They aren't overrated. Yes they had bad years after the world cup, but the football they're playing this year with younger players is very good. The problem wasn't that Italy weren't good. it was CERTAIN PLAYERS that got old and lost form. Now...

^In the animations yes, but graphics alone? I don't think so. Graphically it has always been great and was never less than fifa in the graphics. Actually fifa only beats pes in the stadiums (graphically), but players, faces, kits and overall graphics are better in pes.

Gameplay over everything. Because a game can look great, can have great details, but if it doesn't play right then you still won't play it no matter what because it still gets boring after you play it.

@ SDP, I see your point. But about the response, it was too slow for pes 11, especially when dribbling. Fast players were a bit useless because of the slow response thing. So b upping the response, the attack is not the only thing that will get better, BUT ALSO THE DEFENCE. There were times in...

^I won't disagree that we have to play the demo to judge, but even I can clearly see that the AI is much better and that new useful off the ball controls have finally been added. So it isn't like pes 11 because the AI can change the game quite a bit. ;)

1 small change that could bring more user input to the shooting is to bring back pes 5's power bar. It rises up slower, so you have more time and control over the shot. This results in more user input. Anyway, more animations are needed, but the transition and flow between the animations (pes...

The word demo is short for demonstration which is part of the actual game. So yeah, I usually make my judgement there, although the full game MIGHT make last chance fixes and some finalisation of things, the purpose of the demo is still to try and get you to purchase the full game. I still...

I will go for the PC because of the editing. NOTHING ELSE. Because the game plays the same on every platform.:)

DO NOT MENTION ARGENTINA. 1 MAN CANNOT SHINE WHEN ALL THE OTHER PLAY BAD. You can clearly see that Messi's personality is more European than south american. Seems like he doesn't fit there. :) And he probably won't play as well in another team simply because a team is made up of 11 players...

The hexagon was good. I liked it. BTW, why is there a big fuss in the overall ratings? IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT BAD EVEN THOUGH I DO NOT USE IT. I prefer to send a scout and give me his attributes and then I will decide myself if I want him based on those attributes. However I think that the...

Maybe some other game other than football? BTW, I am not agreeing with konami about the release dates. They should release them at the same time.

^Ha, some questions I have because I get games from game.UK :( But 2 weeks aren't that long. I prefer to wait and finally get a great game even though other countries get it earlier. ;) I will be busy chasing cars and escaping cops in Driver san francisco so I won't mind that much.

Th animations, although are not great, they're not bad as they're much smoother than in pes 11. Thing is, ANIMATIONS DON'T MAKE THE GAME. Look at Fifa. The animations are awesome. But it has problems much bigger than pes because fifa doesn't even have a balanced game.

You mean the other way round? ;) The way you put it gave me the impression that it's either online or nothing.

Why put multiplayer first over gameplay? I don't see the point of people overreacting about online. Online, online, online is just about everything you hear nowdays. BTW, I know pes must improve online, but DON'T PUT ONLINE OVER GAMEPLAY, because goood gameplay and bad online is still...

Teamates matter in a team, but Messi is still better than Ronaldo, because he actually takes on defenders and beats them unlike Ronaldo who is all flare. Not saying he's bad, he's just the 2nd best. You can see that in the Barca against Man utd match, where Barca always tried to pass it to...

That was a bit too much favoured to pes ;) But you mentioned some good points. Not the difficulty, but the same goals same football thing. Fifa suffers tremendously from this. And player individuality is just not there. But pes has other unacceptable things like animations, flow, catch up bug...

If we continue to reply, we are just feeding the troll. If he answers back in a polite manner and actually tries to reason, then I'll take that back, but so far, he's just stupid.

^Maybe a bit slower, but stamina? I don't think so. He covers most ground in most games to say the least. But remember that he is wiser, and his tackles have gotten even better.