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There is a difference, but they need to make it more obvious. But I can see a clear difference between Robinho and Cassano to players like Gattuso. And no the demo is not bad at all. It has it's problems, but overall it's good. If they tone down the close control a bit, and make standing...

If you play real soccer than you should know that Essien shouldn't pass the ball like xavi . In fifa 11 he can especially on manual. I agree on the sense of accomplishment though BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE MISTAKEN with player individuality. Fifa is already pretty bad in player individuality, BUT...

Sorry but this argument is dumb. It's not about making a game more difficult, I was talking about individuality of the player you're controlling, not your skill. The game can be as challenging as in full manual, with non manual controls. The difficulty fifa 11 offers in manual is because...

It is still not fifa, and far being like any fifa I've played. They are 2 different games. THIS IS MORE LIKE PES 6. But people forget that pes 6 wasn't 100% sim.

^Thing is that in fifa 11, Essien can pass the ball like Xavi. THAT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE. As for the demo. Yes it has issues like the GK's spilling the ball too much, close control being too good (tone it down a little, but not much), less passing assistance (though not to a point...

Not to disagree but you can make a standing tackle. However the keepers although appear better, somehow spill more than in 11. I am sure that they will be better in the 2nd demo. The close control also needs to be toned down a bit. But not by much. Why? Because in reality, defenders can be...

This is how it works. When you're controlling a player, press the R3 and a desired direction to choose a 2nd player (R3 activates the 2nd player control instead of dribbling moves), then if you selected the manual off the ball feature, you will be able to control 2 players at the same time. The...

@Amateur: You can move any player, where you want and when you want, with the manual off the ball control. I did it with Berbatov to move him near Rafael, to fake a cross and pass it to him.

Off the ball is in the demo. It's much harder than you think. I didn't really like the assisted runs though. I prefer manual runs as I can make the player come closer to me, not go into spaces all the time. And it worked. I just scored a great goal with BERBATOV. I ran into the open space...

Agreed. Unfortunately that's the way pes' difficulty always was. I remember pes 5. From 3 to 4. It was a huge jump in difficulty, but from 4 to 5, it's wasn't that big. Anyway I won on professional 2-0 with Man UTD against Napoli. 2 super goals by Berbatov.

Pes 6 is overrated. Pes 5 was better and pes 11 in my eyes was a pretty close match when you consider everything.

I agree with most of the issues mystreyman wrote. Now that's good balance. Most of the isseus come from the fact that the player's close control is a bit too good. It needs to be toned down. I also agree about the pace. It does feel a bit weired. Yes, fast players need to be faster and slo...

Amateur. I was talking about Human vs COMPUTER not when the AI interfeers in your match because that's unacceptable. Yes, I never argued against this. I agree 100%. MY POINT is that humans made this AI, so it's obvious we will be better than they are. Jeez feels like Terminator here. But I...

Yeah so what? After some time we still get used to his tricks and we can outplay the AI before he even tries to trick us. Thing is, that I ALREADY ADMITTED THAT IT CAN CHEAT LESS. But no football game will exist that will feature an AI that can outsmart humans in every way. Why? Because it was...

A chess is a 100% mind game with a set of rules to follow. So it's easy to make the AI floow them and always make the best move ahead. A football game works nothing like that. A football game is more diverse sicne you have more teams, more players, more individuality, formations...

The animations are not good. That's true, But at least this year, pes gets better animation linking and the transitions between 2 animations is finally smooth. The close control is abit too good. Yes I admit that. But some people just can't defend in pes 12. That's for sure. You...

Some people can't handle the fact that some people like this demo and vice versa. Seriously everyone is entitled to his opinion. But, you don't have to fill the forum with negatives only. They need feedback not just slating. I still like the demo and some people just can't defend from the...

^Agreed. the defending is good. IT NEED TIME TO PRACTICE LIKE IN PES 11, IT HAS A LEARNING CURVE. But I feel that it's steeper because there will be no catch up bug ;)

To shoot with power, you need space, and TIMING. The AI scored a powerful shot with Pato against me, because I left him the space and he had time to shoot too. So you can shoot from afar with some power yeah. Pes 11 had difficult shots to master so i am sure this will be the same, and I like...

I managed to get the PC demo. This feels unfinished and a bit dodgy. It does feel unfinished. BUT THE AI IS FANTASTIC. Seriously, the opposing team players have individuality now, the AI defines dribblers, ball shielders, sprinters and passers much more. Something that wasn't there in CPU...