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Right, I'll give my fair views of both Fifa and Pes SO FAR. Note that I said "so far", so it may change like it did last year when I said that Fifa 11 was good, and then I realized how I didn't like it at all. But anyway here it goes. So far I am enjoying pes much more. Reasons. Tactics are...

^True, THE AI JUST RARELY MAKES A MISTAKE. ;) As for the control. Yeah, this is unfortunately a pes problem that annoys alot of fans. Still, I think that if you play with a manual 2nd player control, the game opens up much more. Try it if you haven't.

Yes, pes does have a very different defending system this year, like fifa. So I need more time with both. However, on fifa, I think it's best if you close the spaces with your controlled player and make pressure wisely with the 2nd player. However it seems different. I surely need more time with...

^ I do agree with you, HOWEVER, this 2nd demo has a few notable differences. For example the close control. I know it is a bit too good, but IN THE 2ND DEMO, not the first, there is a difference between attackers and defenders. You feel like they are heavier to dribbler while players like...

I have played both the fifa demo and the pes demo 2. I have to point out that I need more time with both games because for the first time, fifa has changed their stupid defending system. Maybe for the better? I am not sure yet. So I need more time. However, I like to point out the...

^True. It is about preference. LAST NIGHT I downloaded fifa 12. Gonna see how both demos compare. :)

I have only played 2 matches so far. BUT I am going to point out the obvious things I noticed. -Defenders have quicker response times when tackling. MUCH NEEDED. - Close control is toned down and you can win the ball back easier - First touch variations are back. Defenders have a worse...

I am downloading the fifa 12 demo from the US ps3 store. I cannot find the pes 12 demo from the US store and we know that the UK store will put both demos up by 5 pm UK time. Did anyone find the ps3 demo of pes 12?

^Shooting is spot on. Seriously, learn to shoot first because if everything else is awful, shooting is NOT. I would like to add that if this game makes STANDING TACKLES more responsive (the attacking side is way more responsive than the defensive side) and tone down the close control a bit...

I sure hope they reduce the obvious cheating and THE DEFENCE especially. It's great overall, but there's 1 thing that destroys this great defending system. It's the standing tackles that take too much time to work while the close control of the opposing strikers is too high, therefore it creates...

^You can tap it when you're near the keeper, it will generally be more accurate, but when from outside the box, hold the shot button a little longer, and then tap RT/R2 and left or right for the curl.

I have scored many placed shots in the demo so far. :) So, first and foremost, make sure you have space and time it right. You don't want to just instantly press the placing and expect it to work. You have to know before you do the action. Anyway, so as I said, find space, press the shot...

Yes, the defending takes major skill and when you take the ball from an attacker with a well timed move, you feel satisfaction like you actually achieved something unlike in past pes games. However, it needs finishing. The defenders are a bit too unresponsive compared to the super quick AI...

^We're on the same boat man. ;) I played it yesterday and today in the morning and I was truly frustrated because the game was cheating beyond belief, but about 2 hours ago, I played it on the PC, again and it was beautiful and I loved it. BTW, the PS3 version is inferior to the pc. I am a...

Goal celebrations and camera angles don't contribute to the graphics department. :) In my view, the graphics are better than in pes 2011. I have both on PC and the lighting is better in pes 12. As for the game's challenge. Pes 11 was easier because of the catch up bug and the super through...

^I can understand that you might not like the game, BUT TO SAY THAT THE GRAPHICS ARE CRAP is just stupid. Sorry but it is.

^I do not like Milan, BUT, to rate Liverpool and Porto better than Milan is STUPID. I hate it when the EPL is judged as the best league. There's no such thing as a best league. Every league has something to offer.

^I think you'll be happy to know that the catch up bug in pes 12 has been gone and new moves like ball stop and turn + fake shot are better than ever in pes 12. ;) I believe Fifa has always sold better than Pes mainly due to licensing issues. I'll still give Fifa a try this year simply...

I do not know about saving in the demo because it resets itself after playing 1 match. So I don't think oyu can or at least, I haven't found a way yet.

I also agee. If this game tones down the close control, fix some obvious keeper errors, make more individuality in terms of dribbling and close control and make defenders respond to tackles better, this would be the best football game I HAVE PLAYED IN YEARS. The attacking options aren't...