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I would go as far as saying, it's immense. Complete freedom. The passing system is amazing, and once you master the shooting, the coffin lid is nailed on PES, until they sort themselves out.

I'm not so sure I like it, either that or the goals always seem cheap to me. The way it hits the net or something doesn't quite do it for me like it used to...

I would advise desktop unless you have a ridiculous ammount of cash to burn...

Now there's an idea.

I'm getting twitchy, can't wait for this game to come out, not been like this about a football game for 4 YEARS!

hmm, have a read of this http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=66305 - it should help with some of your editing questions The PS2 memory card reader shouldn't be necessary as the PS3 has a memory card emulator (if you're using one that is a backwards compatible model ie: 60gb) - as far as...

this should help you dude: http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=63543 because Valencia aren't officially licenced, they are called VAL NARANGJA edit: anyone else read the title as Ace Ventura on PES?

haha yeah, I really like the commentary. They even have a little laugh among themselves. Also, they actually made a mistake once and appologised after! Can't specifically remember what was said but I remember being very impressed. FIFA now has all the subtlety that PES once had.

Whoever asked me what I meant, this sums it up nicely. I haven't found a lot of fun in PES, whereas FIFA for me has that magic and that "one more game" requirement that the PES of old had. I honestly can't notice player individuality, certainly can't notice 360 movement and messing with the...

Anyone else notice that they occasionally announce Mikel (or possibly another black player, yes racist I know) as Lampard? Pretty amusing.

I am now officially one of those members who have made the change. I really hope Konami can sort it out, or even some other publisher, but there's just no contest now. Konami should take a few years out. Never thought I'd live to see the day that PES has better graphics and FIFA has better gameplay.

wow I really don't understand some people's points of view on here. I don't get this big deal about "no" loading times... There blatantly are - it's just happening in the background of the intro videos, when the camera is flying around the pitch with the team names in front, you can't skip it...

eh? I think they are referring to the PS2 version being better than next gen versions... Which to an extent I have to agree with...

4 years of PES 6 just isn't gonna cut it for me though.

volleying is so sweet in this game, it REALLY is.

great idea a great idea indeed.

close this thread. There is no question, FIFA > PES.

This is it. FIFA 2010. PES has wasted those good graphics on a poor game.

Indeed. I can understand his kind of comment 4 years ago, but times have changed.

Grrr then why do they release a demo with so many flaws? Why bother? No good can POSSIBLY come from this demo for them.