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it's very similar to dutch. Anyway, I just said "lostgalactico, your knowledge surprizes me."

Lostgalactico jy veras my met jou kennis. @gunna14 ,howzit guy. Nice to have a fellow countrymen on Pesgaming. Don't worry about what your friends say.

That would be like me finding pussy for you to eat. This is frowned upon in most cultures. But seriously if I had to choose between a fully licensed game without an edit mode and a half licensed game with a comprehensive edit mode. I would opt for the latter.

Exactly...mmm...pusssy. I thought you'ld never get it.

Anyone who enjoys PES but doesn't enjoy the editing should be shot. It really adds so much to the game. I remember spending months just doing badges, kits and stats. Its what Pro evo is all about. Pity about the boot editing. They should at least given the option to have colours of all boot...

This will be for the missus. Hopefully it will kill off the nagging for a damn wii.

@ amateur. Honestly where the f... did you manage to play PES09? Or did you see the pace in a screenshot?

We dont know and we cant know until we've played it. I'm just trying to stoke the fire.

Feed on this fanboys. http:www.n4g.com/news-185132.aspx at least we know its better than PES2008

My name is zeemeister and think fifa is shit inspite of saying that it is improving really well. I cant stand Final fantasy games and have never completed any. Also GTA4 is inferior to GTA3.

I confess!! I feel the same way too. Damn you memoman. Damn yooouuu. But seriously, I have been playing PES2008 regularly all year. I had a match against a few friends about two weeks ago. I fucking owned them....the one dude was using man utd and I was the new fcbarca (08/09 transfers)...

....and the year before that.....and the year before that....and the year before that. A thread like this pops up every year. Let's just wait and see how the games PLAYS this year.

I'm looking forward to this. Seabass cannot make the same mistakes this year with a half-arsed release.

^^^no problems if you ask me they and I seem to love them. I think I'll hang on for tekken 6. I'm sure they will have oversized boobs in that too.

Like CC said there are copyright laws in place that we do not understand. Take for example the names of towns or places. In pes 2 you could make a team with the commentary name Manchester. Konami had to remove it though as a result of the F.A./EA agreement.

Are the points mentioned in the ign interview not what has been on pes? Player characteristics and ball trapping. This might be the one that well and truly knocks PES off it's perch.

@vitumbiko. Fifa releasing a good game is not necessarily a bad thing. Konami need the kick in the ass.

Man this game is intense. I feel sorry for old snake though he is so broken. I'm only on act 2 now and killing everything ninja style.

I understand and agree somewhat that PES is not a management game but it is just as much fun doing transfers and other business end stuff. If we are talking next gen we cant talk just tweaking graphics and gameplay. Games nowadays need depth and longevity especially sports titles. In PES2008 for...

Sorry I thought as much. Who goes through all that trouble though.