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LOL, me thinks someone has learned how to have 2 user acc's...!!!

LOL, tone..??? its your head that puts a tone to it...!!!

I hope you dont mean Fifa Vs PES.... This is PES Vs PES, PES old Vs PES new... If your looking for somthing like PES6 your not going to get it, even Konami know they need to move on, and you can see they have a little with PES09 and a little more with PES2010.. We all loved PES6, we all...

i dont care about fifa, but you cant live in the past.... PES6 was the most realistic game "of its time" and platform... PES09 plays more realisticly (apart from 90 degree dribble shit), PES6 is not realistic to me at all anymore... I'm talking about realism not fun gamplay wise.....

LOL, PES6 was even more unrealistic than PES09.... Top Top game, i wasted hours of my life playing it but that would be like going back to fifa98 after playing PES2001... its old, things have moved on, theres a new way to play football computer games, unfortunately most people dont know how...!!!

1.30 mins you can see the new Defending system Seabass was raving about, unfortunately they must defend differently in japan, havin 3-4 defenders chasing down the ball like that just dont happen in european football.. i can see what konami were tryin to do but to say its more realistic is...

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This video does look good and i'm sure pes2010 will be alot better than 09.. unfortunately it still dont look or play very realistic.. its still pes of old style.... http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video/pro-evolution-soccer-2010.html#view:295824

i heard somwhere that a guy had played the 95% build and its using the euphoria engine which konami couldnt get licenced before gamescoM... its going to blow our minds...!!!

Well i must say i'm not too happy with what was at GamescoM (now over ofcourse) Its seems that some people think that Konami are holding back, whats your thoughts..???

you miss the point, Rutter and Gary didnt play it cus they worked at EA and it was a competitor...They didnt join EA till 07 and before that they were actual PES fans and played it cus they thought it was the best game...

Another niggle i have about it is, if it didnt have any of the new animation stuff or 360 dribling and it was basic/pes2009 build etc etc at gamescom.. Then why was it so unresponsive???

Why would you care... i was saying so you will have some understanding of how it works/could work in pes...

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/fifa-10-championship-managers?page=0%2C0

Once again PES players over hype somthing, Konami are using a new animation tool that EA have been using since 08...

Well i hope they do, I thought no way could Euphoria be used but Endorphin, sure. EA has been using it for a while...

Well i hope they do, I thought no way could Euphoria be used but Endorphin, sure. EA has been using it for a while...

Endorphin is just a way of making animations faster, lol.... EA use it too... its completely different from euphoria..

No one ever argued that pes wasnt enjoyable, the battle was won on IMPROVED REALISM... PES is an old way of playing football computer games, fifa is new and different ofcourse people arnt going to get it right away...

Hmm, ok so on the theory that its in pes2010.. Konami signed the rights for 2010 builds but no future builds(unsure if it would work), they are still in negotiation to secure exclusivity rights for future PES games thus couldnt show it at gamescom or EA might offer more money for it or...