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Agreed, though that is somwhat to do with the user player it too... too many opportunities for the same goal...thats fixed for 2010 though

Dont worry PES2010 has the euphoria engine, its just they havent put it in for the gamescom demo....hhehe should only take um 3 weeks..!!!

:no: Thats exactly what we should be talking about...!!!

Why would you want to talk about fifas bad things and bringing them into pes...!! does anyone know what happened to the eupohria engine????

Gary Patterson is the new Scotish Seabass..!!! i'll send you a link thats a good read... dont wont to post it here as people will start to cry...

Seabass needs to think more along these lines... "The general principle is a drive towards complexity and realism, removing automated elements of gameplay in favour of minutely modelled and finely tuned mechanisms that offer a far greater variety of potential outcomes."

Hey tech, just a thought i had.... You cant teach a monkey to ride a bike if they dont even know what pedals are...

People literally dont understand mate, its not their fault...

LOL, just sit and watch any video of pes, there is no jockeying...!! also yes i understand you can run along side or near to the player with the ball but you cant jockey them, sorry pes just dosnt work like that its to fast/easy to dribble round people... its somthing that needs to take...

criminal.......!!!

The Jockey button...!! considering the amount of jockeying that happens in real football its CRIMINAL that PES doesnt have this...!!!!

I'll be playing the demo and im sure i will think its a good game, if that was the only game available i would probably not be heart broken, however fifa has opened my eyes to new way of playing football games and if they've continued to go along this route im sure it will come out top in my...

Fifa has lots of flaws/dislikes we all know that, just not as many as pes imo... shit if we all wanted to we could list 1000's of flaws compared to a real game of football for both pes and fifa seeing as they're just computer games.... Its just pes doesnt seem to be bothered about...

i didnt need to know that...

Its funny really cus its been going on for years, its part of "real fans" mind set, some voice it some dont bother.. The conflict comes when people arnt REAL and just say bollox to try and prove their opinions are right... I will confess i was (in my younger days i might add) a complete PES...

yup that makes sence, which is a good thing really as this should move away from robotic movement... I still think its way off looking at the vids, its neither here or there..!! fifa struggled for years tryin to get the balance right, and Konami have to consider all these hardcore-NEW...

Oh dear, i wonder if its havin the same probs as Fifa 08/09 had with its responsiveness, it took them 2 years to get it right (if you believe storys that fifa10 has it fixed) God, how long would it take Konami to fix..!!!

yeah thats abit strange, does winning eleven have it ???

Konami really need to get some european developers on board or th could face even more people not picking up pes for the first time... your very right about it being a Japanese thing, their all Japanese hehe

TBH i think both will have 16 points, 22.5 degrees around the 360.. not too sure about fifa though it seems to have somthing inbetween that blends it or somthing