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^Yeah, the we demo is better than the pes demo in every aspect because it's a newer build.

^So how come it isn't mentioned?

^Hey, that's why I said the 2nd part of my post. But anyway, it SURLY can't be worse than pes 2009.

^True. Both have their good side and bad side and they seem equal.

^I even saw pictures of old trafford. ????????????????:erm:

@retrofooze Ok, ok. You obviously don't know what you're talking about or maybe you haven't spent enough time playing it.

Gameplay is important but I got a ps3 to get both gameplay and GRAPHICS. Especially player faces. They are really, really important.

^To be fair, the animations aren't finished yet in the demo. Yes fifa has better animations, but pes has some other things better. Animations are not everything.

^Not nani but ronaldo and messi. Anyway, they do it in real life but in pes 2009/8 it was too easy to do it.

Actually animations are not a really big deal. Yes they are to the visual side but not to the enjoyment side of the gameplay. SO by your argument, FIFA SHOULD STOP FOCUSING ON ANIMATIONS AND START FOCUSING ON GRAPHICS AND PLAYER FACES because it'a a disgrace to be called a ps3 game with those...

^No it's your opinion. It's just not gonna be that this year. Both games are good in a way.

That's why I said there's no comparison. Pes 10 looks blows fifa away.

I guess there's no comparison in likeness.

Ok then end this fifa vs pes. We know that BOTH fifa and pes has bad goalkeeping issues. Pes has bad animations but fifa has bad ball physics. All in all this year, both are good in their own ways and you play what you like best. BUT HEY, 1 THING PES ISN'T. AND THAT'S PREDICTABLE. PES is not...

^For the last time. Not huge advances, but small touches that make the overall game better. There's a difference. The pes demo especially feels incomplete but so is the WE demo. So by the time pes is released, it'll be more based on the WE demo (because it's more finished than the pes demo) but...

You do not know what you're talking about for sure. The pes demo is an old build for sure. The we demo is much better and that's step 1. As I said many times small fixes make the difference. And also you cannot talk because you haven't even tested the 90% build at least. The ones who did...

^Yes but look at it from another side. The WE demo managed to get some people waiting for pes 10 back again because it's better than the pes demo. But look deeper. What does it have better actually? Players responding for the ball for example. Look at the difference it made to the gameplay...

The argument was the pes demo being 80% not the WE demo. As I said the we demo is more complete and btw,, he didn't specify how was it in the build he played. So that quote can't be used. Oh and also, everyone who played the review code (90%) said that it is even better than the we demo. Also...

I think it looks good and the game overall looks great.

^Yeah HDMI does make a difference.