I'd be happy with an 8.5. In hindsight i'd say pes 2008 was a 5.5 and 09 was a 6.5 so 8.5 is pretty good. Like many have said, its like pes 6, which is really good. All i ever wanted was pes 6 gameplay with 360 graphics and new modes etc. 3 years later and were are finally there.