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^But you see, no game is better than pes 6 and 5, not even fifa 09. If you want I can easily point out where and how was it better. But yeah gaming needs to move on. Unfortunately football games didn't move on so far.

I just cannot see how you would call that a pes 09 with better graphics because it clearly isn't. It reminded me of pes 6 much more than pes 09 (well some movements are similar to 09). But still the defending is much better, I think you have to get used to it because the AI (in some other...

Well to be fair to perfectstrike he gave his opinion. He said some things that seems exagerated but it's his opinion. But overall, he said that the gamescom demo vs the build he played is nothing alike. That's the core of his post. and I hope it's true.

^Yeah. I just hope it's true. It looks all way too good. But I'll wait.:)

^M8, I hope what you're saying about animations is true.:)

^I guess so aswell. :) At least not a hardware problem.

Tech,for the last time. I have never said anything to you about talking about fifa. I always commented on you bashing pes and praising fifa in a pes forum but not talking about fifa as such. But I want you to comment on the negatives of fifa 10 from the videos. Same as you're doing with pes...

Tech stupid skill. I never said anything about talking about fifa. I always commented on how you're being biased towards fifa. I wanted to talk about fifa's negatives. You were the one that avoided them and continued to bash pes.:faceplm: But I guess you cannot do it because you're way too...

tech That question looks stupid because you won't answer it and because you seem to love the negativity in pes and writing about it in here. Oh and also, everything Adam said on pes that was positive, you said he was talking BS, but when he says something a bit negative you state it here just...

^I hope the final build will have pes 6's responsivness. Excactly Nice to see you too. :)

For me all manual decreases player individuality.

sheperd It depends on how it broke or failed? What happened excactly. I'd liek to know because I am a ps3 owner aswell. Thanks and I am sorry to hear that.

^True. Mine broke and got a new one. Now I have both X360 and ps3 and the ps3 heats much less adn makes no noise compared to X360. But man, the X360 presentation is tons better than the ps3's and the ps3 is really great in terms of breaking. I mean it has a really low faliure rate. That's...

Yeah, I noticed the difference. Good one.:)

Fiore: Nice list mentioning the good things in both games.

Think about it. NONE actually. The interesting thing is the final product not build and codes. I do not care about codes. I care about the final product because after the final product, you cannot improve the game further if you know what I am saying.Patches and stuff downloadable are only...

tech, But you say that about konami (and you don't know how it will be this year) and you brought the comparison with GTA V. Everyone expects much more from Rockstar than from KONAMI and EA and that's why Rockstar won't do as you said. For that reason being that they are bigger and better and...

Tech, simple logic is what I posted. I guess if you say I didn't understand then it's your problem not mine. You are the one that can't understand so go and learn some basic english but until you do, GOODBYE. As for rockstar. Being bigger and better means better games come out. SIMPLE LOGIC.

It doesn't mean fifa is more realistic. It means that he could probably do more than he currently is, if he has that engine. However it doesn't mean that fifa is more realistic. STFU man. You are really annoying me now. Why the fuck didn't you say anything about fifa 10's negatives? Why? You...

^It couldn't be simpler than that. A football sim without individuality is not a sim at all no matter how good other things are. I am not saying that just because pes has individuality, it is a sim because individuality is a big part of football but there are other things that define football...