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^If german teams are there. ;)

^I think he wants them to be in not that they will be in. Or maybe he just thinks that they will be there because of europa league?

^Yeah, but maybe there are fake teams.

He wants t destroy pes and turn everyone to fifa. I am now 100% convinced. As for fifa 09. Its' not that it's easy to score or AI assistance. That has nothing to do with it. Goal variation is the problem created by the shooting. There isn't many ways to score on fifa 09 compared to pes. You...

I own both. Ps3 and xbox 360 = same graphics. I tested it with pes 2009 and gta iv because I own them on both consoles.

Ofcourse. The speed looks slower and the play looks much smoother. Excactly. Another rissue. We all complained about AI CHEATING in pes 09. Guess what. It was there in fifa 09 aswell and that was the most annoying things. A defender can never match an attacker (like messi, torres eto) in speed.

Auto tackling and easy tackles are 2 different things. I am gonna give fifa 10 a try as I am gonna get both fifa 10 and pes 10. Then decide which is better. :) True, I hope they realized this and changed it in 10. But so far I cannot see a difference in tackling. I think I need to play it though.

Don't tell me ever yplayer can pass like Pirlo. There's a difference in player's passing technique and accuracy. Also why don't we forget about pes negatives and talk about fifa's negatives? I want to hear this from the ones bashing pes. From the looks of it, fifa is still with the same 09...

^Well things like shooting, passing, individuality especially are also basic stuff about football. And they aren't good in fifa. Well the passing comes from the fact that every player passes the same. As for the ball physics. I thought they looked good in pes 2010. But I agree about animations.

^Team's skill is the only thing present in fifa. There's a huge difference between team skill level and individuality. Hey, I can read between the lines and I can take it from your tone. Whenever I or someone says something in favour of pes 2010, you jump in and start bashing. :doh:

You're not sticking to the point 1) I mentioned fifa because it's the only competitor with pes and you seem to love fifa so much 2) You didn't even read my point on playing style and skill. So I suggest you do not repeat the same thing unless you read my point. Also Pes 09 still has more...

^The difference is there. You are not seeing it. I think you are over doing it to be honest. What? In fifa the same thing happens. At least in pes, great skilled players shoot more often with inside of boot and whoever has the outside of boot ability, will make it easier to score and pass...

True. Amateur level is easy so they'll go easy aswell. Tech, with the same argument pes fans that played fifa 10 said that it looks a good game, actually a great game but lacks too much individuality and the defence is not realistic. It all about opinions.

^What could a normal keeper do against that shot? NOTHING. I actually like it. Look at the 2 videos posted by Alolo at the top of this page. Great ones, especially that 2-1 by Barcelona vs liverpool. The keeper really did a great save from xavi's freekick and held it well. Also the messi goals...

I watched that video too. I also think that it was the best video so far because the 2 players playing it are good at the game. Personally I see the difference between this and pes 2009. It's not small. Exclude animations (although they are important, they do not make the play of the gameplay...

Alolo good list of balls. PERFECTSTRIKE I hope you are right. :)

^Oh. Ok then. I guess yes. But let's wait and play it on high difficulties right? :)

Pantilimon: What are you saying. I was wrong on these fifa flaws: Sloow response No individuality Dribbling past defenders is not possible unless you use full speed to beat them. No technique If you say I was wrong on these things about fifa then hey, you must have a different fifa game. Those 3...

I think I will play 1 or 2 matches then start ML.

^Jesus christ. Stop the hate will you. Leave everyone to say what he wants.