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^True, the players playing it aren't that good. From the videos, the defending and the AI are clearly much better. Defenders close down better and the game is not attack minded. Also the AI seems much harder to pass by and they are more intelligent. It reminded me of pes 6 to be honest. The...

I don't care but I do know that italian stasuims are not god enough (not san siro though). My point was that Juventus are licensed and are bigger than arsenal and still their stadium is not there so do not complain about emirates.

The ML is looking really great.

Nice boot list. I hope the boot editor is good.

^True. I mean both games are great. I suggest downloading demos, seeing gameplay of the final build and then decide. Personally if pes gameplay is back I would pick up that game because fifa always looks good in the begining but will get boring easily because of the no individuality between...

^Yeah. But when will that happen?

Emitrates? Why is it that always english stadiums are mentioned? How about stadio olimpico do turin. Juventus are one of the biggest clubs and they are licensed on pes 2010 so they deserve a stadium.

:shocking: It's the same stadium Nice list though. :)

I for one always said this: 360 dribbling is a good thing, really good, but nothing too major. I will still say this. 360 has to work fully in order to experience it's real power. You also need 360 AI movements, 360 passing and crossing and shooting aswell. Well, shooting has to be semi...

^so videos will be released tommorrow? Great. :)

^Man, it's just not gameplay. It's the best parts of the gameplay edited together. That's not good enough to decide which game. Fifa 09 was better than pes 09 for me, but it's far from realistic ( responsivness, individuality, overrating speed because it's the only way to get rid of defenders...

Looking good. But it's a trailer not really gameplay. Anyway, I think both fifa and pes will be great this year.

^I think no one understood what I said. I meant that online is important (ofcourse it is) but in online the game's gameplay wil be used, so if it is lag free but has bad gameplay, what value does online have? It all depends on how good the core game is.

^True. I think that pes 2010 can be something like that though. I just hope for the best.

^Not necessarily. I mean I do not think something about german clubs has been officially released.

I didn't hear that anywhere.

^Yeah, true. :)

Well I prefer simulations but yeah pes 6 was enjoyable. Although I still prefer pes 5. I know football is much faster these days. I just hope it isn't as fast as pes 09. I don't think it is.

^Come one man. Online only??? It's important yes, but the online is not the core game. That matters the most because even online uses the core game's gameplay and graphics. As for the game. It's really looking awesome. It seems that my waiting and seeing things before commenting really worked. I...

^The problem with pes 09 was the super fast build up. That appears to be fixed. But it was still too fast.