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I still can't understand how 360 movement can work because if it won't be assisted, it would be extremely difficult to go to that area with analogue stick seeing as it would be highly sensitive. But I am looking forward to try it. BTW if animations are correct in pes (if it is 8 way movements...

:shocking::shocking: Corruption at it's best:laugh: ;);) Tech skill, your opinion is good aswell however, I still think that pes 2010 will be better than what you're expecting it to be. My dream is that we have a great pes and fifa. Both of these will fill up my year of football games...

^Pes 2010 really has great graphics. :) Ofcourse they will. The cards and sliders (well sliders are necessary for barca to play like real barca) enhance that though.

I have 1 reason to believe that in the long run PES will be the better game, even eurogamer will have to admit this. Pes 2010 focuses on player individuality and we all know how bad fifa is at that. At first fifa seems too awesome (like eurogamer said, BOTH GREAT, BUT FIFA IS SLIGHTLY BETTER)...

^I agree with you. I guess we'll find out on gamescom.

From that 50% video, the animations were lacking but if you notice, the game plays much better than 09 already. You just have to notice it.

I think it will be a better game. This year, it looks like Konami are actually paying attention to what the fans want. But I am hoping.

^Well, if you remove the cards, BARCA will still feel like Barca. I am 100% positive about this one because PES always had the individuality.

^I would be happy if there will be a pes 5 with better graphics + new features because pes 5's gameplay was the best.

TRUE. BTW, this erik guy gave his opinion without deeply explaining why. I just cannot trust that.

^Yeah true. BTW, this constant negativity has to stop. Everything is negative to some of these forum members. The cards will bring player individuality, something that defines the teams, be proud and happy that player individuality is in pes and will continue to evolve with the cards.

^They actually closed better than in pes 09 even at that early build.

^Will there be a review from pesfan though? Also, I suggest we wait for gamescom. I said this before. That's when the full build with animations will be tested.

^I agree about mocaps. That's why I won't take notice of that article. It wasn't actually telling the truth tech skill. The article wasn't deep enough to judge something on it.

^But still, that article wasn't really good because it wasn't deep and didn't explain why he said those things. It looked clear that he was acting like some pes hater (since he didn't give reasons why).Maybe that's the reason why the article was removed. Still we should wait until gamescom...

^It was his opinion yes, but that wasn't a review at all. He didn't comment well enough about the gameplay. All in all no one can judge on that review.

That, I was referring to ronaldo not you ;)

The review or whatever it was, left me with alot of questions again. :( Nothing new.

^What?

^30 min to what? I fully agree with you. Let's hope and wait for the best.:) (I am not comparing games now. Just to make it clear ;))