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Hey, it's really funny, I mentioned what's wrong in fifa and guess what? No one answered saying that I was right. However when I or any other member mentions something against pes, you and some others always jump in and say, yes, very true that's why fifa is better. It's not fair is it? As for...

^But the problem with fifa's response is because of the game reading moves slow. The game and commands you press take time unlike in pes. This ofcourse doesn't involve animations because if it did involve animations, then it wouldn't do it all the time. Even on the menus, fifa is slow.

The negativity is really annoying. I think I must have seen different videos. The speed was not that bad. But full judgement can be when they release a captured video not with cameras because they vary in framerate, thus why all the speed issues. but from the looks of it, it doesn't seem too...

^Wel fifa also promised alot of stuff and from the videos, it seems like there is nothing. 360 movement is looking good though. But I won't bash it before I play it. Same goes for pes. I'll play them both and then comment on which is best. As for the ML. Be sick and tired all you want because...

proevofan, Yes I saw that video and it is impressive. It is on regular difficulty and yet the AI is harder, smarter and better positioned. The difference between that and pes 09 is clearly visible. I know about the mistake that the AI made when gerrard was clearly in offside and yet it passed...

proevofan: Excactly what I said in my other post. But I also added the dribbling part where in fifa it's close to impossible to dribble past a player and actually fool the defender. In reality it happens. Even with a simple well timed feint from a mediocore dribbler. Where in fifa 09 the...

^ I think you're referring to the AI right? If so, then improving their defence was much needed rather than improve only their attack.

^Wait, and play it and then comment how bad it is because: The difference is pretty notable between pes 10 videos and pes 09 first videos. It's just so more difficult to score in pes 10 according to the videos even in a 2 player match, you need skill to score. Or at least fool the opponent and...

^You only mention the bad reviews of pes. Why is that? There were good ones aswell.

^True. And please to all of you, the difference between pes 09 first videos and these is pretty notable. But final judgement will be when the demo is released or when we play the full game.

I am a fan of both games so I can talk. If fifa 10 is like fifa 09 then hey, it's far from realistic. Too many problems not noticed by some blinded fifa fans. I already mentioned some that are already enough to prove my point. But on the bright side, fifa 10's animations are really awesome...

From the videos shown so far, I say yes. The AI is much better. But final judgement will be when I play it.

I think it looked better than that.:) As for the messi cross and henry goal. The animation was a bit off, but it can happen in real life. In serie A it happens alot. So it is realistic. BTW the video that chinaman posted of pes is looking really good. Defending is much improved and the game...

I agree that the animations in those videos aren't awesome, but there is a notable difference in the way they move. See it properly. It's much better than in 09. Not up to fifa's animations though. But look deeper. The defence. Biggest problem in pes 09. See how better they close up, see how...

I get what you're saying fiore ;) But I still think we have to play it to see the proper 360 in action or at least more angles in action. :)

Just seen the fifa video. The animations are really awesome. But again. Dribbling not effective or at least who's playing it doesn't know how. BTW I just cannot see 360 movement in both games. Maybe you need to play it to actually feel it.

^Bad really. :(

Finally someone who sees difference. This forum is so negative. :shocking: Shocking really. Fifa is better in animations very true, but until fifa can have player individuality and fix the response time, and actually make dribbling effective, maybe then it can beat pes and then we can call...

I also think it looks good. Check my post. :) But still I cannot say for sure. Campare these to pes 09 first videos and it's a clear improvement for sure even if you refuse to see it.

Why? Because those are 2 players playing it and appearantly they are bad at it. Look at the france vs germany where the AI is controlling one of them and see the difference in defence skill level. Oh and btw, the defence in reality makes mistakes too. ;)