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Download both demos and then decide which one to get. I will get both.

Edit mode in pes 6 was amazing? It doesn't compare to what pes 09's edit mode is capable of. But still the ability to add logos to shorts were missing in pes 09 (untucked shirts too) BUT in pes 09 the kits looked alot more realistic because the size of the logo could be perfectly adjusted + it...

Jesus christ. Again with camera titling? It was a good feature but nothing too awesome. Graphics and gameplay matter more even in the final rating of the game. I am not saying it was bad, but it's isn't as important as other stuff. I actually would like a return.

If they are there, I would be happy.

^pes 2009 wasn't a bad game, but everyone expected more because it's next gen time not ps2 anymore.

Hey man, fifa copied so many things from pes in the ps2 era. For that time, the ps2 was next gen compared to ps1 so basically it's the same thing here. No difference. And also, fifa 09 has too many bad things too (even if I am preferring it at the moment). I do not need to mention them. BOTH...

It all comes down to this. Too much luck based when in 2 players since the AI decides the win sort of.

All games (when in competition with another game especially of the same subject) steal some things from each other. FIFA HAS DONE IT AND PES HAS DONE IT ALSO. No need to complan about it. It's just the way things are.

Why? Anyway, I meant that if the game turns out like they said it will, then it will be awesome. But we still have to wait and see. Also, even for fifa. We still have to wait and see how it turns out. Both games are looking great. I hope they deliver some unique football experience in the end.

This all looks very awesome. If this turns out the way it looks so far, then no complaints please as konami will have the job done. Although there's always room for improvements, but still it would look as if you are asking too much. Anyway, this does look awesome.:happy::D

^Well yeah, but WE ALL WANT A REALISTIC GAME. I think that's the aim here.

^Yeah. For me pes 5 had the best balance.

I like the idea. It's more realistic.

So 5.0 for doing nothing? The rating system needs serious fixing.

^True. I agree with that. Speed is overrated.

^Excactly my points. Liverpool weren't underrated in pes 2009. It's because of the game.

^1080P is usually referred to console owners and hdtv's. For PC's they say 1920*1080 usually. ;)

^True. Very true. But let's wait and see.

looking good so far.

MAYBE A METER to power up passes? But not manual passes.