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^Leave fifa out. Fifa has it's own problems. Let's focus on pes. It' fast no doubt. We need a more teamwork game and more tactical + less ai controlled (much less). Those are the main issues.

^They'd better improe the shooting, especially from outside the box. The keeprs save too much because o the slow shots.

I agree with you. You can add a slower and more tactical overall game is needed aswell.

It all comes down to this. There's no football game right now that you can experience the full power of a ps3 or 360 over ps2 or xbox.. They both should have been much better. The football games were outclassed by other games. LOOK AT GTA IV. How big and how long is that game. Graphics...

^Yes, but in pes 09 it was less than 08. However I beleive that they can go back to the strong point in pes 2010.

Please can this flaming stop? I take gameplay over graphics, BUT if the graphics are bad, I won't like the game that much either. I bought a ps3 for 1 reason, realism in graphics and detail so I wouldn't want a ps2 graphic game.

^Well, how come pes 5 had much less of this issue? What went wrong in pes 2008 and in pes 09 ( a bit less than 08 but still).

True, pes 5 had it's moments, but the game was mostly based on skill not on luck. From pes 6 onwards, the luck fctor increased, and from pes 2008, luck is the difference maker since the AI randomly switches momentum. In pes 5 you had much more control. Even in pes 6, but still it was a bit less...

I think it's not hard to stop AI cheating and scripted games. Pes 5 had much less of these. This has been the case since we 2007, pes 6. But now, luck is the biggest ever factor. They can go back to pes 5 in terms of cheating and AI CONTROLED PLAYERS IN YOUR TEAM.

It would be awesome, if they combine the good things from both games, we would have an ultimate next gen football game. BTW as I said countless times. No one can judge until both games release a set of gameplay videos.:cool:

^Good. Personally this year I am looking forward to trying fifa. With 09, I underestimated it but then when I played it I liked it. I can't wait to play both games pes and fifa. I would like to see a next gen football game. I hope this will be the year.:cool:

I hope Konami realizes that Pes needs a next gen feel to it. But again, time will tell.

^Well, time will tell.:cool: I just hope that they will release a game that is good. BTW, as for 360 dribbling movement. It would be highly useful in bal or BAP, but other than that, it isn't that as useful as a 360 passing and shooting would. But I really respect fifa for having a 360...

But to be fair to fifa. The AI CHEATING is far less and the cpu control in your players is also far less, making it more manual controlled rather than luck based. But yeah, the goals in pes have more variation for sure.

^I didn't even consider that teaser. Remember the pes 6 opening cutscene? It was really bad. But the game was really good. So we can't judge so far.

Maybe it'll be different to fifa. Anyway, I think that Konami don't like to show anything on teasers. They prefer to release full gameplay movies + improvements.

^I am not sure. I forgot. But I am expecting a gamepolay video soon enough + all the new improvements.

Well, pes has always released gameplay vids and then info on improvements. And after that we expect some realy good gameplay videos. I will still wait for those videos and new improvements and then comment. :)

You mean specs? I believe no one knows the answer yet.:)

Please can we stop judging the game. The gameplay videos haven't even been released so I suggest we wait and see. AND THEN AFTER WATCHING 2 OR 3 GAMEPLAY VIDEOS, WE CAN COMMENT.:)