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Exactly. You are used to playing PES and are trying to play FIFA as though it were PES and it aint working, you are getting frustrated and you aint giving it a chance. In FIFA, you cant just get the ball to feet and charge at goal expecting to actually get somewhere. FIFA is a much more measured...

Sounds to me like none of you have actually played Next Gen FIFA 08 on 360 or PS3...Forget old gen FIFA on PS2 or PC....The FIFA that it is getting talked about here is 100% next gen and I can assure you that there is a hell of a lot that PES could learn from FIFA. I admit, despite sitting thru...

Evo-Web 4 tha patches, technical queries, and European types who seem to have a solid grasp on how the AI game engine works.

It seems to me that if you dont 'fit-in' and arse lick the status quo, when you start arguing with someone, the refs (and their brown nosing underlings) will gang up on you and you will either get down on your knees, admit your wrong-doing and kiss their feet, or you will be gunned down and...

Yeah..... I have never quite seen where people are coming from when they all say that FIFA looks better cos it dont. For me, PES 2008 'looks' better in every department from player likeness to the much smoother sprite animations. Assuming you have actually played FIFA 08 on a next gen...

Really... Well, if you went across their and started extolling the virtues of any other ProEv forum you would probably end up getting snidely abused by some wee maggot, giving him abuse back (without swearing), getting booked by a 'Ref', arguing with the Ref wanting to know exactly what you...

Yeah.....that has ALWAYS been the case b4....but its not the case with FIFA 08.....is it?

LOL. That is PESfan alright.....you have to pinch yourself to remind yourself its just a forum b4 u start thinking about ways to get 2 these power tripping cliquey arse licking rats in real life and give em a good slapping. But going by the volume of traffic alone....u cant deny that PESfan is...

what about dribbling passing and dribbling around in circles within the 18 yard box for an eternity until the certain goal scoring opportunity presents itself.....you dont see that in real life....cos in real life....attackers just aint allowed so much time. Well...what can I say...I am...

I can tell from all you detractors posts that you have not given FIFA 2008 a fair shot. Like I have said, EA have practically cut n paste ProEV1s game engine and added their own arms and legs onto it. Whilst the lack of responisiveness may be a bit frustrating at times and the game never really...

I recently registered with what seems to be the most popular Pes forum on the internet...... www.pesfan.com And what a horrible place it is. Admin or 'Refs' on total power trips speaking down to members who dare infringe their ridiculously petty site rules or suggest somehting out of tune...

If I told you that FIFA 2008 (Next Gen) felt very much like PES1 but with loads more moves, manouvres, and much better AI. Would you be tempted to give it a serious try? What happens if I told you that there was no visible cheap methods of scoring on Next Gen FIFA with playability almost on a...

Yeah..but it is ProEv...Seabass has a list of players he considers to be legends and that list dont really change much regardless of how players perform on the park.....Players like Del Piero, due to having earned much media plaudits in the past, are always gonna have high stats and a little bit...

Hmm...Italy seem to be missing a few legends... Totti (retired from international football) Nesta (retired earlier this year) Grosso (just not there) Del Piero (Just not there) Cassano (Just not there) Fair enough to leave out the guys who have retired but you cant go having...

Good Review..... You kind of mirror my own thoughts although you never commented on FIFA's vastly more complex array of outfield play possibilites. Reponsiveness is a huge impedement in FIFA also to the extent that you dont really feel like you are 'on the ball' when you are in possession...

Nope....I have saved quite a few penalties.... But then if the AI wants a goal it will award itself a goal....although this is normally done by the AI giving itself a freekick on the edge of the box and scoring from that....Like if your into 90mins stoppage time and leading France 1-0 with...

Look Jake.....I think ProEv2008, for all the dissapointment at the lack of obvious advancement is gonna be the best football game this planet has ever seen.....Despite all the ostensible gameplay complexities that FIFA has to offer....we all know that once everyone starts to figure that game...

Yup, that is what Konami are trying to acheive.... a mathemtaical model which replicates an exciting believable footie game in which the gamers feel they are the masters of and have the ultimate say in the outcome off.... Its just that many of us see through some of the cheaper elements of...

Yes, in ProEv5 at least, that was exactly the case and it was largely accepted amongst the community as well.. What you seem to forget, is that PES is NOT A SPORT. It is a mathematical model performing untthinkable numbers of calculations in order to display a series of graphics, and sounds...

Here is the best remaining links to that I can find: http://forums.pesfan.com/archive/index.php/t-86160.html Interview with Seabass We were three journalists from Gemany and Switzerland and we were given about 30 minutes to ask whatever we would like to know concerning Pro Evo Soccer 5. So...