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I don't think you can have cross console matches unforunately pal.

Hi all, Can you only use the XBL Vision Cam to scan images on the 360? Cos I've just got a Microsoft webcam off Natwest, and I know that you can use other MS peripherals with the 360.

You sure? We do the same thing, and we've done it before on the PS3.

Can't you just make all the teams human-controlled at the start?

But you're breaking the rules sonny.

You're joking right? The PS2 version is so much better than the PS2 version!

To be fair though, they're trying to sell a product. They're not gonna tell everyone it lags, becasue the online whores would hop straight over to FIFA.

Don't get me wrong Goldbergio, I'm dissapointed with PES2008. But not to the extent that I'm gonna organise mass boycotts or contact the national media. I don't think anyone should ever feel that way about a game, because lets face it, it's just a game. If you booted the thing up and there was a...

The one with all the fans in the pub, which made some people think you would have proper interaction with them, when really it was only a pretty ML picture. At least that's the first to spring to my mind.

Could you? How did you go about doing that? I do remember a freind of mine scoring a free kick from about 30-40 yards inside his own half on the left flank, it was amazing a total fluke.

PES1, 2 and 3 were superb. The matches were a tad dull at times in PES4 I thought, but it was still awesome. 5, 6 and 2008 have all been let downs in certain respects, but they're all still excellent titles. For me, it has to be 2 or 3. Might have to go on a second hand mission.

Exactly. Konami have delivered what they promised, aside from the odd misleading screenshot perhaps, and there's no way anyone outside of these forums will give a toss about how ripped off anyone feels.

At least some people have got some mate.

I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the game seriously (well, maybe there is, but I do sometimes). What annoys me about that daft cunt is that he's like some sort of a Christian missionary, desperatley trying to convert everyone he can.

Honestly mate, you can send all the letters you like to Watchdog, nothing will happen. They wouldn't be concerned with something as trivial as this. We've only really been ripped off from our point of view; Konami promised a game, not an excellent, bug free game. And lets face it, every PES has...

Bugger.

Na you can't simulate. To be fair, PES is a football simulation...

Na, there's bits they can keep from this one I reckon. The AI is ok, aside from positional sense and obviously goalkeepers.

I think you're bang on with most of your suggestions mate, but we've been after this stuff since at least PES4, have we not? I wouldn't hold your breath.

Watchdog, what a load of fucking shite. 'Oh err... excuse me, I bought this game and err... I don't particularly care for it. Can you get me some money please? Oh, and I'd like to keep the game too, despite my dislike of it, just to undertmine my whole argument, if that's OK?' Honestly, the...