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Hey mate, I tried it and done everything instructed (ie copy the patch over) and it seemed to copy, but then came up that it was still the trial version. Also when I run it or something like it, the PES game becomes unstable may be my computer isn't powerful enough to run it alongside a game or...

Abu I think you're getting confused here along with lots of other people about the speed issue. That game was quick tonight, I will post numerous posts within the next two hours after things have uploaded to prove it. Where PES/FIFA all other footy games in the past can't replicate is the...

Oh Jesus, how much more evidence do you need Abu?!? Do you want more evidence of my claims that games are faster than you think (apart from the slow play in the back), counter attacks happen all the time, and that defensive lines and units are exactly like PES and don't leave their defenders...

It depends what you're looking for out of the game though Smink. For me the chase has always been to replicate what I see on the tv, I derive 'fun' out of the fact that my inputs in position x would mirror the inputs of someone IRL doing it. For example, there's a clip tonight (which I have...

Leverkusen v Chelsea = PES (normal gamespeed) lol

I agree with your points but it bugs me when FIFA players call their game a sim. It clearly isn't. FIFA12 may be a nice game, but to call it a sim is way wide of the mark. Are you watching the Chelsea game tonight? Look at the defensive lines, look how the team pressures in some zones in...

Okay Abu. So basically you want me to engineer loads of passes in the midfield? I don't get what you mean about this 'midfield battle' thing. In FIFA it's less of a midfield battle because I can pass from front to back in four passes?!?! I've shown that in the videos, so where's the midfield...

(Sigh) Abu, do you want proof of 22 minute games that I have that ended 0-0!?! lol, Jesus.

It's the best I can do Mak, if I use screen capture software it makes the game go jerky. But sorry dude, I'll nip down to Curry's and get a £900 JVC kit. Sorry to everyone.

Honestly you can't win with the FIFA boys - I show clips of PES v FIFA and everyone says PES was too fast too unrealistic. Then when someone mentions last nights game resembles PES, FIFA boys say 'yeah it was fast, but that's how City play, you can't count that' lol, oh man. The trouble is...

Which AI did you say was good, FIFA11? FIFA's AI has never been good, that's the issue. FIFA11's AI was terrible, the top teams would just go three passes from their box to yours every time. But I must admit to liking it as a game (AS A GAME NOT AS A FOOTBALL SIM, BIG DIFFERENCE). I had...

Jenkey's patch doesn't alter the way the shot dynamic executes, for example a shot from a 69 shot accuracy person will still go like a 69 shot accuracy person, ie crap. But by adding ball weight for example you lose the balloon feel when the ball goes in the air, and by adding shot power shots...

OCKRASS I'll counter you - I do agree on reflection that the PES games were too fast, I have been tweaking this recently, and have settled on a slower figure. The games i played this morning were very good. I spent some time watching some CPU games to gauge how quickly some players would...

Agree totally Dieci, in fact the more in play PES and see the amount of different goals I witness it kind of beggars belief. Last night for example, I had a game v Sunderland which was 0-0, with the last free kick of the game the kicker whipped a ball in, one of those that the defender and...

Thanks Shaun. But we're up against it here mate, this is what I'm up against on another forum - "PES superior in almost every way than Fifa? Are you comparing PES 12 to Fifa 06? You cant be comparing it to Fifa 12 as Fifa 12 does tons of things better like... Graphics Sound Animations...

I'm interested to know what you mean by liked them better? Do you mean you liked FIFA videos better because they looked better aesthetically? I'd be surprised if you preferred the way the games played out better in FIFA; there was little or no variation in the FIFA games. I'll give you...

You're a funny guy Stormrider, that's why I'm going to kill you last!?! On a serious note Stormrider I don't play FIFA, I don't play it because it isn't very good. I don't play it for the things I highlight in my post. I think you should be wondering how I managed to beat Bolton 4-3 when I...

That would be awesome, send me the link fella. At the moment it is very laborious, I'm trying to get all the lighting and positioning etc etc and then upload huge files to Youtube etc etc. PES is on the PC, but FIFA is on the PS3.

(Sigh). Have you not read in it's entirety? You cannot find anything in there that I criticise PES for is that right? I'm off to find two things...one's a face.....:facepalm:

You're right baangus, I'll take your points on board (reaches for the delete key). Now let all the other children in the class have their say.