The GAMESCOM Thread

[RAMAXWY]

No.

Playing against the lower league teams is definitely different. They tend to rely on the long ball a lot more and seem content enough with what they have when the game starts, as far as the score goes. The bigger teams attack you more, which is why sometimes it leads to easier games against the big sides than the smaller ones, because spaces appear more frequently.

EASIER GAMES AGAINST THE BIG SIDES, that's just like FIFA isn't it.
but as to the difference in playing style i haven't felt that in FIFA at all but hey it could be but i thought the game was too boring to stick to it and experience all of that.
but if the individual stats of the players don't matter i don't think they can correctly pull this off because the playing style of teams depends a lot on the players abilities wouldn't you agree.

 

[The_Difman]

EASIER GAMES AGAINST THE BIG SIDES, that's just like FIFA isn't it.
but as to the difference in playing style i haven't felt that in FIFA at all but hey it could be but i thought the game was too boring to stick to it and experience all of that.
but if the individual stats of the players don't matter i don't think they can correctly pull this off because the playing style of teams depends a lot on the players abilities wouldn't you agree.

Well then you haven't got a valid arguement against FIFAs playing styles when you havent played for long enough to have a proper opinion.

Basically, what Baddar is saying is that it can be easier against the big sides 'cos u can counter attack them, whereas against smaller sides they will play 'hoof-ball' and put more men behind the ball. Like you see in the Premier Lge week in week out.

Game over

 

[Baddar]

Think about it.

I'm not saying FIFA got the whole thing right, but they're on the right track with it. When teams play against smaller clubs, to begin with it can be difficult to break them down (see: Liverpool last season, for example) whereas the bigger teams have better players and are more evenly matched, so are more likely to "have a go" than a lower league side would (see: Liverpool hammering United at Old Trafford last season)

Things open up in FIFA against the small teams once you get a breakthrough goal, and for me, that's just like real life. How many times have teams been frustrated for 45 minutes by a "lesser" team only to end up scoring 3 or 4 times once the first one goes in? That's what I like about the system.

To me, it proves the teams play differently, which is the point I'm making because you said they didn't, to begin with. Regardless of whether or not you should be able to score more freely against the big sides or not, it still proves they play differently.

And while I'm on that point, by "easier to score", I just mean that there's more space on the pitch from minute one, because teams like Barcelona are bound to attack you and be more susceptible to a counter attack. In a way it shows individuality too, in that the better players are going to try different things when they attack, as opposed to the tight, long ball style of the smaller teams.

 

[RAMAXWY]

Haha I could tell you the same,but change FIFA with PES.
PS:I'm 17 now and I'm playing football since 10,I watched many games on TV.I believe I don't talk bullshits.
RAMAXWY:do you know some special techinque to pass?Because from what I know a pass is given with the leg or with the head.

still you need a certain technique to make certain passes.
not everyone can pull off a accurate pass with the outside of the foot with enough pace and curl for example ( most brazilian are known for this ).
not every player can be a midfielder like XAVI or FABREGAS why would you think ?.
the vision and the passing ability needed is from a very high standard and not all players qualify.
you play football so you must know this right.
that's also the reason why it bothers some of us that too much midfielders can make excellent through passes in PES because in real life that's difficult to pull off.
heard they sorted it out in PES 2010 lets hope its true.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Think about it.

I'm not saying FIFA got the whole thing right, but they're on the right track with it. When teams play against smaller clubs, to begin with it can be difficult to break them down (see: Liverpool last season, for example) whereas the bigger teams have better players and are more evenly matched, so are more likely to "have a go" than a lower league side would (see: Liverpool hammering United at Old Trafford last season)

Things open up in FIFA against the small teams once you get a breakthrough goal, and for me, that's just like real life. How many times have teams been frustrated for 45 minutes by a "lesser" team only to end up scoring 3 or 4 times once the first one goes in? That's what I like about the system.

To me, it proves the teams play differently, which is the point I'm making because you said they didn't, to begin with. Regardless of whether or not you should be able to score more freely against the big sides or not, it still proves they play differently.

And while I'm on that point, by "easier to score", I just mean that there's more space on the pitch from minute one, because teams like Barcelona are bound to attack you and be more susceptible to a counter attack. In a way it shows individuality too, in that the better players are going to try different things when they attack, as opposed to the tight, long ball style of the smaller teams.

Here's what i been saying for ages.

If fifa has got it so wrong,

Why is..........

Custom tactics
360 movement
scouts
New penalty system
Real Money
New ways to spend money in Career mode

Now being put in pes 2010

If fifa was soooooo unrealistic, you think they would run a mile from that shit, instead, pes is clearly emulating fifa.

 

[Pantilimon]

still you need a certain technique to make certain passes.
not everyone can pull off a accurate pass with the outside of the foot with enough pace and curl for example ( most brazilian are known for this ).
not every player can be a midfielder like XAVI or FABREGAS why would you think ?.
the vision and the passing ability needed is from a very high standard and not all players qualify.
you play football so you must know this right.
that's also the reason why it bothers some of us that too much midfielders can make excellent through passes in PES because in real life that's difficult to pull off.
heard they sorted it out in PES 2010 lets hope its true.

Of course,I didin't know you have been talking about the pass ACCURACY.It's obvious that a world class player has a better accuracy than a normal player.

 

[soc160]

I've said this in my other posts but PES 2010 just looks the exact same game as it was 4 years ago - just with updated graphics & animations, it may be a good game for some and not for others, but at the end of the day look at how little progress has been made since the PS2 glory days. PES2010 is what PES2008 should have been.

And FIFA, for all its faults, has improved incredibly over the last 3 years, and this years looks like the most realistic and more importantly BEST football game ever.

While PES2010 may not be the best game again this year, its a step in the right direction, if a few years too late, and at least it looks playable compared to the shambles of the last 2 versions (IMO, but thats in the past)

PES had gone back to the old days of pro evo 6, the one 4 years ago, the game has proggressed but not the way we wanted it to so they changed there approach and realisied that PRO 6 was their best to date and tried making the new one like that, anyway, if pro was so far ahead of fifa back then its progress didnt need to be as quick...

 

[The_Difman]

Here's what i been saying for ages.

If fifa has got it so wrong,

Why is..........

Custom tactics
360 movement
scouts
New penalty system
Real Money
New ways to spend money in Career mode

Now being put in pes 2010

If fifa was soooooo unrealistic, you think they would run a mile from that shit, instead, pes is clearly emulating fifa.

TBH that's not really a valid argument 'cos over the years both PES and FIFA have "stolen" ideas from each other and implemented them into each others games. It's when the core gameplay starts turning into the others' when you can say that one is emulating the other

And I'm sure I've seen a load of people so far saying that PES 2010s gameplay is turning FIFA-ish ...

 

[RAMAXWY]

Think about it.

I'm not saying FIFA got the whole thing right, but they're on the right track with it. When teams play against smaller clubs, to begin with it can be difficult to break them down (see: Liverpool last season, for example) whereas the bigger teams have better players and are more evenly matched, so are more likely to "have a go" than a lower league side would (see: Liverpool hammering United at Old Trafford last season)

Things open up in FIFA against the small teams once you get a breakthrough goal, and for me, that's just like real life. How many times have teams been frustrated for 45 minutes by a "lesser" team only to end up scoring 3 or 4 times once the first one goes in? That's what I like about the system.

To me, it proves the teams play differently, which is the point I'm making because you said they didn't, to begin with. Regardless of whether or not you should be able to score more freely against the big sides or not, it still proves they play differently.

And while I'm on that point, by "easier to score", I just mean that there's more space on the pitch from minute one, because teams like Barcelona are bound to attack you and be more susceptible to a counter attack. In a way it shows individuality too, in that the better players are going to try different things when they attack, as opposed to the tight, long ball style of the smaller teams.

yup that sound like football right, too bad i didn't experience it while playing FIFA 2009 and i played it for 3 moths before i imported PES 2009 and all the things u just summed up are much more noticeable for me in PES.

 

[The_Difman]

PES had gone back to the old days of pro evo 6, the one 4 years ago, the game has proggressed but not the way we wanted it to so they changed there approach and realisied that PRO 6 was their best to date and tried making the new one like that, anyway, if pro was so far ahead of fifa back then its progress didnt need to be as quick...

... which is what they should have done on PES 2008. But hindsight is a brilliant thing.

(Can't say I blame them for going back to the PES6 basis - what a game that was .. but that discussion has been done to death)

 

[Pantilimon]

And I'm sure I've seen a load of people so far saying that PES 2010s gameplay is turning FIFA-ish ...

I wish so much to be true,but it's a very false statement.

 

[soc160]

Here's what i been saying for ages.

If fifa has got it so wrong,

Why is..........

Custom tactics
360 movement
scouts
New penalty system
Real Money
New ways to spend money in Career mode

Now being put in pes 2010

If fifa was soooooo unrealistic, you think they would run a mile from that shit, instead, pes is clearly emulating fifa.

suppose pes arent allowed update their game and take stuff that are part of modern day football... sorry wait fifa invented scouts didnt they and real money... theres a difference between emulating fifa and emulating real football.....

 

[The_Difman]

And I'm sure I've seen a load of people so far saying that PES 2010s gameplay is turning FIFA-ish ...

I wish so much to be true,but it's a very false statement.

It wasn't a statement, it was an observation.

 

[Tech_Skill]

suppose pes arent allowed update their game and take stuff that are part of modern day football... sorry wait fifa invented scouts didnt they and real money... theres a difference between emulating fifa and emulating real football.....

Missing the point mate.

They never put it in, until fifa got good reviews,

Just like fifa emulated pes in the ps2 days

Pes is emulating fifa now.

The 360 debacle is clear proof of that, with konami killing themselves to put it in the moment they found out fifa had it.

So obviously fifa cant be that bad

If you use logic.

 

[RAMAXWY]

Here's what i been saying for ages.

If fifa has got it so wrong,

Why is..........

Custom tactics
360 movement
scouts
New penalty system
Real Money
New ways to spend money in Career mode

Now being put in pes 2010

If fifa was soooooo unrealistic, you think they would run a mile from that shit, instead, pes is clearly emulating fifa.

only two things on that list will mean something to the gameplay.
the custom tactics and the 360 movement and as far as i know the custom tactics are just about to get better but PES already had them and as for 360 movement that's a new thing for both games and still somehow the freedom you had when it came to dribbling in PES was much better compared to FIFA.

 

[Tech_Skill]

and still somehow the freedom you had when it came to dribbling in PES was much better compared to FIFA.

Ive heard it all now........

Seriously.

Okay then, mate, your welcome to your opinion.

 

[soc160]

... which is what they should have done on PES 2008. But hindsight is a brilliant thing.

(Can't say I blame them for going back to the PES6 basis - what a game that was .. but that discussion has been done to death)

Like new coke and classic coke....they may have tried to starve the market, so they reall could build a great game in pes2010 and make us all buy it... then again maybe they thought they took the old pes as far as they could and needed a change, 1,2,3 wer similar games, 4,5,6 wer changes towards the perfect game, then they took a new direction into next-gen consoles and have struggled, they changed alot and made a new style of pro, 2008 wasnt great so they treid to fix it in 2009, then realised it wasnt working at all, now there kinda merging 09 and 6 wit proper animations and movement... lets hope it works

 

[The_Difman]

Like new coke and classic coke....they may have tried to starve the market, so they reall could build a great game in pes2010 and make us all buy it... then again maybe they thought they took the old pes as far as they could and needed a change, 1,2,3 wer similar games, 4,5,6 wer changes towards the perfect game, then they took a new direction into next-gen consoles and have struggled, they changed alot and made a new style of pro, 2008 wasnt great so they treid to fix it in 2009, then realised it wasnt working at all, now there kinda merging 09 and 6 wit proper animations and movement... lets hope it works

Agreed. Let's be honest though they can't go too far wrong with basing it around PES 6 and can't exactly make a worse game, IMO, than 2009.

Oh the good old days of when one year PES gameplay was fast, then next year it was slow, etc etc ... at least this years PES is looking MUCH better than last year

 

[soc160]

Missing the point mate.

They never put it in, until fifa got good reviews,

Just like fifa emulated pes in the ps2 days

Pes is emulating fifa now.

The 360 debacle is clear proof of that, with konami killing themselves to put it in the moment they found out fifa had it.

So obviously fifa cant be that bad

If you use logic.

Ah logic, im logical enough to not get into raging debates and get myself banned for a while.. the fact is pes can put whatever they want in, like lets be honest the things you mentioned are in real life and would be implemented into any sports game, i wonder what game first used real money, not just between fifa and pro but in general, did fifa copy them? and scouts, sure fifa stole them off championship manager...Ya ever think the possibilite that the technology wasnt in place to implement more complex stuff like 360 movement until this year, how do you know when konami started working on 360 movement, could have been before fifa, just didnt wanna let anyone know so they could get more hype....

 

[soc160]

Agreed. Let's be honest though they can't go too far wrong with basing it around PES 6 and can't exactly make a worse game, IMO, than 2009.

Oh the good old days of when one year PES gameplay was fast, then next year it was slow, etc etc ... at least this years PES is looking MUCH better than last year

ye 2009 was the worst so far, even 08 had the old ball physics and was easy to use, 09 changed that and made it confusing, all you need is henri camara to win a game, and not being able to control the keepers was a let down