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I played a few games and I did notice some improvements but theres still alot of other things wrong with it + Keepers are a bit better but still not perfect + Ball speed ( Shooting/Crossing/Passing ball speed is faster, I played on speed 0 and it feels quite realistic, before the ball was...

how is it compared to the 1st demo, which issues have been resolved?

Two problems 1. The speed is VERY slow once you put the speed on realistic player movement which is -1 and not only passing its crossing and shooting aswell, even on 0 the ball flies so very slow. 2. There are little differences between stats as of now, hopefully this is only true to this...

ball moves too slow even on 0 btw, hope they fix it because players turning and so is a bit too fast on 0 already.

does anyone know where I can download the japanese we 2012 for pc demo?

Doesn't rly matter does it? Unless KONAMI fixes things theres almost no difference at all between someone with 75 and someone with 85 stat at something.

Where did he say that? And if its true then its another year of disapointment.

Thats true I was overstating that to make a point, but you can't deny that first touch and ball control is way better than it should be, I mean even defenders would do a similar thing as Nani did there.

Its because of many other issues...like really slow traveling ball when shooting and other gameplay issues that are related to that, but you can't deny that the shooting trajectory/curve and all other things are almost spot on. Lets hope they fix things for the 2nd demo.

Pretty much the only thing they need to improve is ball speed since it floats so slow and unrealistic and shooting is pretty realistic in 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd3ac3aadrI&feature=related found this vid from that link, look at this one touch and ball control, its ridicilous.. Looks like everyone will be bergkamp in PES 2012.

lol @sony, the only company id ever trust to make a great sports game is 2k sports, they never let down.

Of course agility is important lol, its one of the main reasons why Messi is as good as he is.

Shot Technique Agility Acceleration all taken out

Even if there was tho, the control and technique that players with 70 dribble accuracy have in the game is insane, its at least at the level of someone like Iniesta should have.

Things like that are ridicilous indeed, but if they would at least be good I could overlook it, alltho its still quite ridicilous.

There are differences for sure, alltho OP does have one point, the differences in alot of things are very minimal, for example ball control and speed and all that, it doesn't feel like an adequate difference with someone that has 80 vs someone that has 90 stat.

What about defenders having Iniesta like control and technique, that doesn't bother you? That almost bothers me the most.

I made a vid to show 2 frustrating things from the demo, I left out obvious things like goalkeepers and shooting because most agree on that, but on this some people don't see a problem, so this vid obviously shows what can't be denied. emEEsYO5G08