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So the sales have dropped because Konami made fantastic advancements?? You can say whatever you want, but FACT remains that the sales have dropped, and that reflects how the public feels about PES09. - Unforgivable Arcade-Like Movements and Animations. - Unplayable Online Mode. - Zero...

This is a Football Sim, it is fantasy!! Do you not understand that yet?? You are a Player-manager.. in Real Life you only play as One Player -and- as a Footballer myself, may I suggest that if you want to play as a single player, you should give Real Football a try. Because it will never...

PES09 does not offers anything of the sort. I am talking about Dictating Play, Not "manually" controlling play. Two very different things. Manually controlling a player's off-the-ball movement is cheating and arcade-like. Off-the-ball movement should be heavily assisted by the COM and the...

That's your opinion, but as a Football player and someone who owns both versions, I think PES6 was the better game. The only improvement in PES09 is in the Graphics and in the Shooting. Everything else isn't as good as PES6 or PES5, which are the best versions IMO. If I had to choose I'd say...

That's a very valid point. But fact remains that if you play PES6 and then play PES09 -you- will feel disappointed, because PES6 was actually better. On the other hand, you play FIFA07 and then play FIFA09 -and- it is clear that this series has progressed. That's pretty much the bottom line...

I will elaborate on this matter later, as now I don't have the time.. but Passing through the Right Stick is a flawed concept. In my opinion, what they should do is keep more or less the same Passing Controls, the Controls work fairly well.. it is the execution that feels too heavily assisted...

I've played a few games of PES09 during the week, and as usual I take notice of all the things that IMO can and should improve. One of the most noticeable things when switching from PES6 to PES09 is that PES09 is a lot easier, at least for me. Too much Time and Space on the pitch, the...

Yeah it seems like PES and FIFA have switched places.. Back in the PS2 PES was the game with the better movements and gameplay. Now it seems FIFA is the better one. I won't comment on FIFA09 again, at least not until I give it a good try, which I haven't. But as things stand PES6 and PES5...

Yeah PES seems like a lost cause by now. And Konami deserves it for being so arrogant with their game. I will probably stay with FIFA09 for the rest of this year and the next, as at least I can expect some kind of progress from EA. On the other hand, Konami (for whatever the reason) doesn't...

That's fair enough as I probably will agree with you guys on most points Once I get to know FIFA09. I'm just saying that this is starting to sound like a FIFA09 thread.. but if you think it will help.. Trigglebeef does elaborates a lot about FIFA09, but as soon as one asks for a simple favor...

Well, in my opinion FIFA09 is out of date. I won't waste my time arguing WHY it is exactly that I think its out of date, because I'm sure you'll see it differently no matter what. At times you and "trigglebeef" sound like EA representatives. And I don't mean to come off as offensive or...

Agreed.. Shooting in PES09 is the best in any PES title. It still haves plenty of room for improvement, but it is the best Shooting to date. Unfortunately, we have too much Space. And I'm not even talking about the Pace, it's more about the "Movement" or "Positioning". If players maintained...

In my opinion, neither FIFA09 or PES09 is that close to the real thing. Both are out of date IMO. PES for not Evolving after so many years. And FIFA for being so bad for so many years. FIFA is too slow and watered down. A more realistic interpretation of Football, but not perfect as so many...

Does that mean that your a professional?? Or better than me for that matter? I don't know what your intention is, which annoys me, because I think that's something cowards or indifferent people do. If your intention was to insult me, or to somehow show that you know better than me. When was...

This is why I think that both FIFA09 and PES09 are out of date. PES for not Evolving after so many years.. And FIFA for being so bad for so many years. Football Sims should be better by now. As simple as.

I've heard plenty of examples like this, and it sounds like you guys are having a good time. But I'm just saying that Dribbling and Accelerating are still too watered down in both FIFA09 and PES09. In PES09 it doesn't even feels like dribbling, it feels more like running. As in real life, if...

That's obvious.. and a bit embarrassing for me, because it's 100% true. Just spreading nonsense out of my disappointment. But I really think Konami have taken it to a new level of arrogance. Showing little or no finesse in their marketing. Talking about all this "new gameplay additions" that...

I agree with you, and can see that you love FIFA09.. I'm thinking about giving it a serious try myself. Anyways, could I ask a small favor of you -- Could you post the entire set of Stats and Special Abilities (probably go by another name in FIFA) in FIFA09?? I would do it myself, but firstly...

Agree with that.. that's pretty much what I think about PES09. It is hugely disappointing for me, because I expected something better by now.. But I have to admit that the game can be fun to play if you know how to play it correctly. But like you, I still think the game should force us into...

Looking at a few videos, and having played the game a few times.. I think FIFA09 is a bit "watered down" if you know what I mean. Football has never and never will be that slow. You watch players like Romario and Johan Cruijff, see how fast they can run the Final third of the pitch. They...