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[PESFan92]

I think you need to move on, PES 5 doesnt cut it in this day and age, you really want the CPU to control everything for you? You wanna press a button and hope the ball goes where you want it to go, or make the ball go where you want it go?

I played it the other day, possession is horribly easy, no thought required, I just keep pressing X without worrying about weight of the pass or anything, game gives you nowhere near the same options during the game compared to fifa 09. In short.

Passing- Fifa easily.
Shooting-Fifa easily (if you turn it off assisted)
Through balls- Fifa
AI difficulty- Fifa
Tactical options -Fifa
Defense-Fifa

There's no thrill anymore in PES5, I can take ronaldo and run through about 3 players and nail it in the bottom corner, no midfield battles, passing is piss easy, but its an old game now so that is to be expected.

All im trying to say is, football games have moved on, PES is easy and pick up and play because it doesnt give you enough control to make mistakes and get punished, I would fucking spank PES now other than for the AI cheating, because i wouldnt even have to think about passing or timing or passing around players its just end to end action.

I know your the self appointed spokesperson for the changes that need to be made in PES, but you need to accept times have moved on, pes of old doesnt cut it, Pes now doesnt cut, it lacks innovation

New ideas and greater control placed in the hands of the player are what makes great games, Pes has been the same game with a few tweaks for year and years.

Years ago, the shooting powerbar was a big thing, Now, no one cares, the games have to move on. Fifa took it a step further and made it work for passing and
penalties (which pes 2010 is now implementing). Thats just a little example.

So in my opinion pes5 with next generation graphics does fuck all for PES, why the fuck would any person with an IQ above 90, choose 8 directional passing and movement and cpu automated controls, when they can go and buy a proper next gen game, with more teams, more players, less time needed to edit because everything is pretty much official, more expansive gameplay, the option to use 100% manual controls, and a better AI.

And i have to add again, PROPER MIDFIELD BATTLES, not end to end crap where i can take a quick player and get to the opposition penalty area in about 3 seconds.

Your not the only one with ideas for pes 2010, your just one of the only people who can actually be arsed to type this shit on a forum konami arent even going to take note of, waste of time imo, they dont care what you think, or I think, or what anyone thinks, the last 2 years are obvious about that.

Lets be honest, fifa is a challenge, you cant get away with the 'running to the byline and cutting back' crap you could constantly use in pes, or taking eto and running through entire defences, it forces you to think before you play football, which pes 5 doesnt.

I mean, you can't even place shots properly in pes 5, that was introduced in pes 6, with the placement button. Come on now.

PES 5, great for its time, but outdated.

I'm sorry, the shooting in FIFA is unrealistic, I mean since when can you curl a ball from 40 yards in a L shape?.

 

[Amateur]

I think you need to move on, PES 5 doesnt cut it in this day and age, you really want the CPU to control everything for you? You wanna press a button and hope the ball goes where you want it to go, or make the ball go where you want it go?

I played it the other day, possession is horribly easy, no thought required, I just keep pressing X without worrying about weight of the pass or anything, game gives you nowhere near the same options during the game compared to fifa 09. In short.

Passing- Fifa easily.
Shooting-Fifa easily (if you turn it off assisted)
Through balls- Fifa
AI difficulty- Fifa
Tactical options -Fifa
Defense-Fifa

There's no thrill anymore in PES5, I can take ronaldo and run through about 3 players and nail it in the bottom corner, no midfield battles, passing is piss easy, but its an old game now so that is to be expected.

All im trying to say is, football games have moved on, PES is easy and pick up and play because it doesnt give you enough control to make mistakes and get punished, I would fucking spank PES now other than for the AI cheating, because i wouldnt even have to think about passing or timing or passing around players its just end to end action.

I know your the self appointed spokesperson for the changes that need to be made in PES, but you need to accept times have moved on, pes of old doesnt cut it, Pes now doesnt cut, it lacks innovation

New ideas and greater control placed in the hands of the player are what makes great games, Pes has been the same game with a few tweaks for year and years.

Years ago, the shooting powerbar was a big thing, Now, no one cares, the games have to move on. Fifa took it a step further and made it work for passing and
penalties (which pes 2010 is now implementing). Thats just a little example.

So in my opinion pes5 with next generation graphics does fuck all for PES, why the fuck would any person with an IQ above 90, choose 8 directional passing and movement and cpu automated controls, when they can go and buy a proper next gen game, with more teams, more players, less time needed to edit because everything is pretty much official, more expansive gameplay, the option to use 100% manual controls, and a better AI.

And i have to add again, PROPER MIDFIELD BATTLES, not end to end crap where i can take a quick player and get to the opposition penalty area in about 3 seconds.

Your not the only one with ideas for pes 2010, your just one of the only people who can actually be arsed to type this shit on a forum konami arent even going to take note of, waste of time imo, they dont care what you think, or I think, or what anyone thinks, the last 2 years are obvious about that.

Lets be honest, fifa is a challenge, you cant get away with the 'running to the byline and cutting back' crap you could constantly use in pes, or taking eto and running through entire defences, it forces you to think before you play football, which pes 5 doesnt.

I mean, you can't even place shots properly in pes 5, that was introduced in pes 6, with the placement button. Come on now.

PES 5, great for its time, but outdated.

I agree with most of what you said -BUT- FIFA09 is not a good Football Simulation... I do NOT care if I can measure each and every thing in the game. It still is repetitive and predictable, and gets old very fast.

The Controls in FIFA09 are plain shite and dull, too complicated. You either have the skill or you don't, it shouldn't be about mastering some complicated controls... that's old and boring.

I have moved on, this is why I barely play any Football Sims nowadays. Both FIFA09 and PES09 are well out of date.

And you say FIFA09 is challenging, but many others say it is very easy once you find the right formula... like in most games.

PES5 was a great game for its time, a great PS2 game... but would make an average Next Gen Game.

Is FIFA09 better?? In my opinion it isn't.

Is PES09 better?? Obviously not.

So what options do I have??

I can only hope that Konami gives us a game that builds on the good things of both PES5 and PES6... But until that happens I have no other options but to play PES5 and PES6 every now and then.

And lastly...

Just compare how advanced PES5 was for its time -and- how out of date FIFA09 is Today. Football Simulation has gone backwards, not forwards, that's my opinion.

And I really hope Konami can turn it around with Pro Evo 2010.

As for FIFA... EA Sports have a huge point to prove now, they have to prove that they have not "peaked" with FIFA09.

 

[shaun7]

To end this. It's a proven fact that both pes 09 and fifa 09 are lacking realism and could have been much better.
Still, I like them, but both are outdated and both could have been much better.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Opinions are opinions, but the fact is FIFA 09 gives you more control over player than ANY other football game Ive ever played, to suggest that any version of pes gives you that much control over gameplay is just crazy.

Secondly, to talk about FIFA's controls as dum, when you dont even control your own gameplay in PES is crazy. PES is CPU automated, the game assists you on everything, how is that a challenge, as a fifa 09 player, i would step on pro and spank that crap in seconds, no thought needed, X,X, run, run, run, shoot.

Thirdly Fifa 09 is by far the realistic interpretation of modern football, PES never has midfield battles, and the AI just mindlessly runs after you, the stats in PES mean jack shit as I can do stupid things like put messi at DM and he would be able to get the ball off stronger players and then run run run into the box.

As i said before ages ago, If pes implemented the changes fifa had in 09, you lot would be harping on about 'the best game ever', because a rival game did it, you denounce it. Example, NOW PES WANTS TO ADD CONTROL TO PK'S, FIFA WAS DOING THAT AGES AGO, but now its gonna come to pes, you lot are getting excited, because you will be given more control in the gameplay, the very same control fifa 09 had all along.

Fifa 09 gave unparalled control, tactical and gameplay options, that is not a step back, watch any game of football on telly, then watch any version of PES, its not even remotley close to anything like a proper game, its guy steaming around from end to end, knocking each off the ball running into the box and shooting. Then watch a proper game of fifa.

Listen, im pretty sure pes is gonna be good this year, but the things they want to achieve have already been done in the most part by fifa last year, the physics engine in fifa is light years ahead of anything ever used in PES which seabass himself said he would rather use.

Can I just say even one of the writers (douggie dount) for this very forum came out and admitted that FIFA 09 where is it is.

And lastly, fifa 09 is far from perfect, but I dont have to HOPE for changes that should have been made about 3 years ago, because they have the decency to speak to fans like yourself and ask what needs prioritizing and what doesn't.

Pes dropped the ball, that's the bottom line, they released the same game for years and finally EA (who have far more resources) finally got it together.

PES needs revolutionizing, not some shitty UEFA CUP license, who gives a fuck about that? Right now i prefer the game which gives me more control over how i play, my tactics, has better graphics, better engine, more team, more players, more stadiums, the lot. We know which game that is.

If PES 2010 is revolutionary and genuinley better than fifa 10, ill come on here and praise it to the hilt, but Konami are way behind, the changes they are making have been done by ea a while back, remember i said this when you lot starting creaming your pants over weighted passing, PK's with a powerbar, midfield battles, just because it was in PES. remember, it was done ages ago by another game.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but I think PES2010 is going to be the game you people wanted or close to it, but think times changes, PES had its time, and next year the majority (including the masses of PES gamers who switched to fifa) will stick with fifa, because unless EA do stupid things, its going to be a cracking game.

 

[shaun7]

^That's ture about fifa's good things, but what about the bad ones?
Player faces are horrible (compare this to any next gen title, and it's not right)
Pasing is tooo sloow.
Build up is always slow (in reality, sometimes a fast build up happens)
Offsides, offsides, offsides. All the time
Advantage rule is not right on fifa
Also, it's not responsive at all.
By this I don't mean that I hate fifa, because as I said, I like them both.
But both pes and fifa could have been much better.
I mean look at some next gen titles.
GTA IV, assassins creed, midnight club los angeles, call of duty,
Those are the real improvements over ps2. Those are what next gen is.

 

[PESFan92]

All Im going to say, No-one has a right to say which game is better. They have their own opinions thats it. Its not a fact on saying "FIFA is better than Pro". It's an opinion.

Each game has It's downfall Yes. Every game has that, you can't just expect them to go from Zero to Hero in literally no time at all. KONAMI & EA have their own jobs to do and that is to simply bring us a Footballing game year after year.

Put yourself in someone who works for KONAMI or EA. If someone said something like "You need more licenses" or "At least improve player faces" or something like that, think realistically, with the money they earn they wont give a crap about what customers think. Unless it's in their job description they will not care what other people think about their game.

As us the customers, we can say what we would like to improve on a game yes. We can hope and pray that they will deliver a better game. Thats all we can do year after year. We can't do nothing to improve the game, we can say what we like, we can say what we would want to improve but it will not change a thing on the final product because as long as the company are making money, they will be happy.

 

[muzza798]

All Im going to say, No-one has a right to say which game is better. They have their own opinions thats it. Its not a fact on saying "FIFA is better than Pro". It's an opinion.

Each game has It's downfall Yes. Every game has that, you can't just expect them to go from Zero to Hero in literally no time at all. KONAMI & EA have their own jobs to do and that is to simply bring us a Footballing game year after year.

Put yourself in someone who works for KONAMI or EA. If someone said something like "You need more licenses" or "At least improve player faces" or something like that, think realistically, with the money they earn they wont give a crap about what customers think. Unless it's in their job description they will not care what other people think about their game.

As us the customers, we can say what we would like to improve on a game yes. We can hope and pray that they will deliver a better game. Thats all we can do year after year. We can't do nothing to improve the game, we can say what we like, we can say what we would want to improve but it will not change a thing on the final product because as long as the company are making money, they will be happy.

The fans of the Battlefield series are definetly listened to and are practically why its a success. On the mention of listening to fans Operation Flashpoint 2 was almost designed by the fans. I cant express how closely Codemasters work with the fans. The fans have almost literally made the game and whats going to be the best FPS ever. The codemasters guys make plenty of money but spend hours and hours talking to the fans about what they want and more importanly whats missing for example the fans noticed the chinease uniform in the game was not the woodland uniform that they actually wear so codemasters changed it. Thats just 1 case in that games 4 year development. Games developers listen to their fans.

 

[PESFan92]

Depends really on how you look at It. Codemasters are completely different to EA & KONAMI.

 

[muzza798]

Depends really on how you look at It. Codemasters are completely different to EA & KONAMI.

Well it goes without saying that EA listen to their fans hence the 250 improvements they made which they have said they owe to the fans and in Konami's recent press release they said that the fans forums have helped create this game which i believe cos they have apprently improved the refs, improved goalkeepers, crowd reactions and improved ML which i believe is down to our bitching about it.

 

[Amateur]

Opinions are opinions, but the fact is FIFA 09 gives you more control over player than ANY other football game Ive ever played, to suggest that any version of pes gives you that much control over gameplay is just crazy.

Secondly, to talk about FIFA's controls as dum, when you dont even control your own gameplay in PES is crazy. PES is CPU automated, the game assists you on everything, how is that a challenge, as a fifa 09 player, i would step on pro and spank that crap in seconds, no thought needed, X,X, run, run, run, shoot.

Thirdly Fifa 09 is by far the realistic interpretation of modern football, PES never has midfield battles, and the AI just mindlessly runs after you, the stats in PES mean jack shit as I can do stupid things like put messi at DM and he would be able to get the ball off stronger players and then run run run into the box.

As i said before ages ago, If pes implemented the changes fifa had in 09, you lot would be harping on about 'the best game ever', because a rival game did it, you denounce it. Example, NOW PES WANTS TO ADD CONTROL TO PK'S, FIFA WAS DOING THAT AGES AGO, but now its gonna come to pes, you lot are getting excited, because you will be given more control in the gameplay, the very same control fifa 09 had all along.

Fifa 09 gave unparalled control, tactical and gameplay options, that is not a step back, watch any game of football on telly, then watch any version of PES, its not even remotley close to anything like a proper game, its guy steaming around from end to end, knocking each off the ball running into the box and shooting. Then watch a proper game of fifa.

Listen, im pretty sure pes is gonna be good this year, but the things they want to achieve have already been done in the most part by fifa last year, the physics engine in fifa is light years ahead of anything ever used in PES which seabass himself said he would rather use.

Can I just say even one of the writers (douggie dount) for this very forum came out and admitted that FIFA 09 where is it is.

And lastly, fifa 09 is far from perfect, but I dont have to HOPE for changes that should have been made about 3 years ago, because they have the decency to speak to fans like yourself and ask what needs prioritizing and what doesn't.

Pes dropped the ball, that's the bottom line, they released the same game for years and finally EA (who have far more resources) finally got it together.

PES needs revolutionizing, not some shitty UEFA CUP license, who gives a fuck about that? Right now i prefer the game which gives me more control over how i play, my tactics, has better graphics, better engine, more team, more players, more stadiums, the lot. We know which game that is.

If PES 2010 is revolutionary and genuinley better than fifa 10, ill come on here and praise it to the hilt, but Konami are way behind, the changes they are making have been done by ea a while back, remember i said this when you lot starting creaming your pants over weighted passing, PK's with a powerbar, midfield battles, just because it was in PES. remember, it was done ages ago by another game.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but I think PES2010 is going to be the game you people wanted or close to it, but think times changes, PES had its time, and next year the majority (including the masses of PES gamers who switched to fifa) will stick with fifa, because unless EA do stupid things, its going to be a cracking game.

I understand what you're saying...

You're saying that Passing the Ball in PES is excessively Assisted by the COM -and- that we are basically spoon-fed by the COM because all we do is tap a couple of buttons without really measuring or having "complete control" over anything.

BUT like I said before, it depends on how you look at it...

In my opinion I prefer playing PES5 and PES6 because I think the games are more responsive and have better and more intuitive controls.

On the other hand, I can understand that some people do prefer FIFA because of the control and depth it offers. But what about the Unresponsiveness and Repetitiveness??

What about "Player Likenesses" in FIFA09??

What about the FACT that FIFA09 haves very unrealistic Play in That Final Third of the Pitch??

Repetitiveness and Predictability are not good signs of a " realistic interpretation of modern football".

I don't like the Dribbling Controls in FIFA, they are not intuitive enough and are too complicated and time-consuming. It is bad enough having to "measure" everything -WHY- do they also make Dribbling so Unintuitive?

I simply prefer a game that haves intuitive and simple controls to use: instead of mastering some complicated controls, it's more about your timing and your imagination.

FIFA09 on the other hand, to do a simple Step-Over or whatever I have to go over to the Right Stick -and- when I'm using the Right Stick I cannot Pass the ball right away... I just think some Controls in FIFA are poor and Unintuitive.

Bottom Line??

It depends on how you see it... some will prefer the intuitive controls and responsiveness of PES -whereas- others will prefer the control but repetitiveness of FIFA09.

* FIFA has done things PES still has NOT done.

* PES has done things that FIFA still has NOT done.

It's the same BS and it only depends on your priorities. Both games are well out of date in my opinion.

I am not a Fan-Boy, and the day that I see that FIFA haves Intuitive controls and a more responsive gameplay... I will certainly consider my chances with FIFA.

But I just don't see what all the fuzz is about, as far as I'm concerned FIFA09 is hugely Overrated... and it looks even better because PES09 is an arcade-mess.

And lastly...

If Konami take PES6/PES5 and Implements Depth: more control over your passing, your dribbling, your defending, your tactical play, your first touch, implements Next Gen Physics and Animations, etc, etc...

If Konami accomplishes that successfully, then I really don't see how FIFA will even come close to PES.

 

[Amateur]

All Im going to say, No-one has a right to say which game is better. They have their own opinions thats it. Its not a fact on saying "FIFA is better than Pro". It's an opinion.

Each game has It's downfall Yes. Every game has that, you can't just expect them to go from Zero to Hero in literally no time at all. KONAMI & EA have their own jobs to do and that is to simply bring us a Footballing game year after year.

Put yourself in someone who works for KONAMI or EA. If someone said something like "You need more licenses" or "At least improve player faces" or something like that, think realistically, with the money they earn they wont give a crap about what customers think. Unless it's in their job description they will not care what other people think about their game.

As us the customers, we can say what we would like to improve on a game yes. We can hope and pray that they will deliver a better game. Thats all we can do year after year. We can't do nothing to improve the game, we can say what we like, we can say what we would want to improve but it will not change a thing on the final product because as long as the company are making money, they will be happy.

Company and Customer relationship will gain importance with each passing year... it's reached that point.

Otherwise, the Fans will decide to simply Not buy the game... Like it happened with PES09.

Konami haves a different approach this year, and have already stated that they have considered "feedback" from both casual and ardent fans of the series.

In the end, Pro Evolution 2010 will show just how much they listened to their fans. And if it's another disappointment -we- the fans and customers can choose Not to buy the game.

 

[muzza798]

Can people not write a proper paragraph or something?

 

[Tech_Skill]

I understand what you're saying...

You're saying that Passing the Ball in PES is excessively Assisted by the COM -and- that we are basically spoon-fed by the COM because all we do is tap a couple of buttons without really measuring or having "complete control" over anything.

BUT like I said before, it depends on how you look at it...

In my opinion I prefer playing PES5 and PES6 because I think the games are more responsive and have better and more intuitive controls.

On the other hand, I can understand that some people do prefer FIFA because of the control and depth it offers. But what about the Unresponsiveness and Repetitiveness??

What about "Player Likenesses" in FIFA09??

What about the FACT that FIFA09 haves very unrealistic Play in That Final Third of the Pitch??

Repetitiveness and Predictability are not good signs of a " realistic interpretation of modern football".

I don't like the Dribbling Controls in FIFA, they are not intuitive enough and are too complicated and time-consuming. It is bad enough having to "measure" everything -WHY- do they also make Dribbling so Unintuitive?

I simply prefer a game that haves intuitive and simple controls to use: instead of mastering some complicated controls, it's more about your timing and your imagination.

FIFA09 on the other hand, to do a simple Step-Over or whatever I have to go over to the Right Stick -and- when I'm using the Right Stick I cannot Pass the ball right away... I just think some Controls in FIFA are poor and Unintuitive.

Bottom Line??

It depends on how you see it... some will prefer the intuitive controls and responsiveness of PES -whereas- others will prefer the control but repetitiveness of FIFA09.

* FIFA has done things PES still has NOT done.

* PES has done things that FIFA still has NOT done.

It's the same BS and it only depends on your priorities. Both games are well out of date in my opinion.

I am not a Fan-Boy, and the day that I see that FIFA haves Intuitive controls and a more responsive gameplay... I will certainly consider my chances with FIFA.

But I just don't see what all the fuzz is about, as far as I'm concerned FIFA09 is hugely Overrated... and it looks even better because PES09 is an arcade-mess.

And lastly...

If Konami take PES6/PES5 and Implements Depth: more control over your passing, your dribbling, your defending, your tactical play, your first touch, implements Next Gen Physics and Animations, etc, etc...

If Konami accomplishes that successfully, then I really don't see how FIFA will even come close to PES.

You sound like you have problems mastering certain aspects of fifa, the dribbling takes timing and if you have a quality player the rewards will begin to show, as i keep saying, FIFA requires proper control, look at the shooting compared to pro, you need to use every bit of the stick to find the angles, and as for that poster who talked about bending in goals in an L shape, yes mate on ASSISTED, turn that off and come back to me on that one.

And I can pull off a stepover followed by a pass whilst running at the opposition, not every single time because that's unrealistic, but i terrorise the CPU with Van der vaart and arjen robben using those kind of tactics when I can pull it off.

The player likenesses in fifa are good, you ever played with ronaldinho, he runs and plays just like him, same for pirlo, Kaka, far better than pes in that area mate.

In reply to shaun7, mate PES has better faces than fifa, thats just a fact and FIFA has bugs which need addressing, no doubt about it, but EA are already very aware of this, they just didn't have enough time to sort them all out last year. This year they claim they are gonna sort it so we shall see.

Lets just see what happens, i'd put my house on FIFA10 dishing out the same punishment as last year, I look to it as the natural successor to PES and PES as the sucessor to the fifa of old.

Like i always say, i been playing PES for over 10 years, but im a realist, and I know that things change, PES had a good run for years and EA made some clangers, now EA is putting the might of their resources into a sim-type football game and unlike PES, they haven't gotta start from scratch this year and re write their entire game just to have a chance of a decent game.

I come on here and I see good PES fans hoping, then i take a look at EA forum where they have a whole section dedicated to feedback on FIFA 09, then i see the developer posting telling people they are taking note and giving the heads up on what is coming.

I just call it how I see, no offense meant, I was one of the first people to come on here and tell people what a pile of shot pes 2008 was, then people accepted that, did the same with fifa, and low and behold months later even one of the writers on this forum ais agreeing with me.

Like I said FIFA definitley has issues there, im not denying that, but they are nowhere near as severe as PES's and that shows in the one sided sales towards fifa, the reviews on amazon, and the comments of seasoned pro vets who prefer fifa's gameplay and see it as the continuation of the good workk started by pes years ago.

There are quite a few people that were PES fanboys switched sides, because fifa actually is a continuation of the old pes games, but a next gen version.

 

[Amateur]

You sound like you have problems mastering certain aspects of fifa, the dribbling takes timing and if you have a quality player the rewards will begin to show, as i keep saying, FIFA requires proper control, look at the shooting compared to pro, you need to use every bit of the stick to find the angles, and as for that poster who talked about bending in goals in an L shape, yes mate on ASSISTED, turn that off and come back to me on that one.

And I can pull off a stepover followed by a pass whilst running at the opposition, not every single time because that's unrealistic, but i terrorise the CPU with Van der vaart and arjen robben using those kind of tactics when I can pull it off.

The player likenesses in fifa are good, you ever played with ronaldinho, he runs and plays just like him, same for pirlo, Kaka, far better than pes in that area mate.

In reply to shaun7, mate PES has better faces than fifa, thats just a fact and FIFA has bugs which need addressing, no doubt about it, but EA are already very aware of this, they just didn't have enough time to sort them all out last year. This year they claim they are gonna sort it so we shall see.

Lets just see what happens, i'd put my house on FIFA10 dishing out the same punishment as last year, I look to it as the natural successor to PES and PES as the sucessor to the fifa of old.

Like i always say, i been playing PES for over 10 years, but im a realist, and I know that things change, PES had a good run for years and EA made some clangers, now EA is putting the might of their resources into a sim-type football game and unlike PES, they haven't gotta start from scratch this year and re write their entire game just to have a chance of a decent game.

I come on here and I see good PES fans hoping, then i take a look at EA forum where they have a whole section dedicated to feedback on FIFA 09, then i see the developer posting telling people they are taking note and giving the heads up on what is coming.

I just call it how I see, no offense meant, I was one of the first people to come on here and tell people what a pile of shot pes 2008 was, then people accepted that, did the same with fifa, and low and behold months later even one of the writers on this forum ais agreeing with me.

Like I said FIFA definitley has issues there, im not denying that, but they are nowhere near as severe as PES's and that shows in the one sided sales towards fifa, the reviews on amazon, and the comments of seasoned pro vets who prefer fifa's gameplay and see it as the continuation of the good workk started by pes years ago.

There are quite a few people that were PES fanboys switched sides, because fifa actually is a continuation of the old pes games, but a next gen version.

I don't have any problems with FIFA, and when I played FIFA08 for awhile I could do just about anything with the "Right Stick". The problem that I have is that after playing PES and FIFA: I find that PES haves better and more intuitive controls... as simple as that.

I think the whole Right Stick Concept is flawed, and I think EA should change it for a more intuitive one.

As for FIFA09...

Mate the game is "watered down" in The Final Third of the pitch. I don't care just how "Manual" and "in-control" everything can be -the- game is repetitive and boring in That Final Third.

FIFA09 bores me, PES5 bores me, PES6 bores me, and PES09 bores me... I don't think any "Next Gen" Football Sim is good enough considering the current hardware. FIFA09 may be great for "casual" gamers -but- for fans like myself it simply isn't good enough.

I don't have any problems "mastering certain aspects of FIFA".

Is it not possible that I have a Different Opinion?? I master each and every single thing FIFA haves to offer... has a matter of FACT; many fans do. Problem is that I simply find it predictable and repetitive after a few plays.

And...

I fail to see WHY Konami cannot turn it around.

Judging by the FACTS it looks like FIFA will keep dominating... However, we take a closer look -and- FIFA was absolute rubbish for the best part of a Decade.

So considering that, I fail to see WHY FIFA will dominate from now on. People learn, EA Sports has upped their game -and- we can now expect that Konami will up the ante as well.

If FIFA09 is such a "vast improvement" over FIFA08 -what- makes you think that Konami cannot do the same??

That's how competition works... back in the PS2 days FIFA was so rubbish that Konami became lazy after PES5. Now PES is an Arcade-Mess and FIFA looks like the most respectable simulation.

Why will FIFA dominate from now on?? I have no idea. I would not be surprised if Konami turned it around. EA Sports did it in less than 3 years... so I would not be surprised if PES 2010 or PES 2011 turns it around for Konami.

I would prefer it if it was Konami, but in the end I'll go for the Simulation that I like better, regardless of the company. Bottom Line is that I want a better Football Sim -and- I don't really care if it's produced by Konami or EA.

 

[shaun7]

Well, let's just hope that both games will be more next gen.

 

[Amateur]

I admit I'm being a bit harsh on the games... as I still do enjoy a few games of PES5 and PES6 every now and then. I even enjoy PES09 at times, and also FIFA09.

But for me it just doesn't feels "Next Gen" enough you know?? I don't think "next gen" Football Sims are good enough considering the current hardware. And although I still enjoy it for about 4 or 5 games, it's nowhere near to the hours I spent in PES5 and PES6.

 

[shaun7]

I admit I'm being a bit harsh on the games... as I still do enjoy a few games of PES5 and PES6 every now and then. I even enjoy PES09 at times, and also FIFA09.

But for me it just doesn't feel "Next Gen" enough you know?? I don't think "next gen" Football Sims are good enough considering the current hardware. And although I still enjoy it for 4 or 5 games, it's nowhere near to the hours I spent in PES5 and PES6.

Like I said. Compared to other next gen games, fifa and pes are behind.
Still I do enjoy them.

 

[Amateur]

Like I said. Compared to other next gen games, fifa and pes are behind.
Still I do enjoy them.

Fully agree with you on that... some people talk about FIFA09 like if it was the greatest thing, I just don't get it.

A bit off-topic but... what's your favorite Football Sim??

I'm a bit curious about that, cause you seem to have a very unbiased and accurate opinion for the most part. What's your favorite Football Simulation?? And if you don't mind me asking; WHY?

 

[Tech_Skill]

Cool, Iv'e noted your opinions, lets see what happens, Im not sure 12 months is enough to revolutionize a game from scratch. I have no doubts Pes 2010 will be an improvement, but how much over the competition im not sure.

 

[shaun7]

Fully agree with you on that... some people talk about FIFA09 like if it was the greatest thing, I just don't get it.

A bit off-topic but... what's your favorite Football Sim??

I'm a bit curious about that, cause you seem to have a very unbiased and accurate opinion for the most part. What's your favorite Football Simulation?? And if you don't mind me asking; WHY?

I only play fifa and pes as football games.
If I had to choose a real football sim, maybe a cross between pes 6 (the you'll never know what will happen factor), 5 (the defence) and something from pes 09 (shooting maybe).
Fifa 09 is definately the best fifa game ever made, but still not next gen quality.
I can't say which is the best football sim so far because they all seem to lack something.