jonny1leg, as my monitor is 22" wide screen, it has no chance to run the games higher than 60 hz. Additionally, I measure frame rate with fraps and it always reads "60 fps" constantly. My problem is not about refresh rate and I cannot be sure what it is about. But I think it must be related with the games (pes 2008 and 2009) themselves. Games are always optimized for nvidia cards. Mostly, ati owners have strange problems about games and they cannot solve them unfortunatelly. Ati 4850 is my first ati card and probably will be the last one. My former card was an Asus Nvidia 8500gt (512 mb) and I never had a problem except poor performance at latest games such as crysis and race driver grid which was quite normal for a starter level card.. But I never had fast gameplay problem in pes games. I was playing pes 6 smoothly at any resolution, at high details and playing pes 2008 with no problem. I will buy a nvidia card or exchange my 4850 with one of them.